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Big UK Fan But In Spite Of Our Record I’m Not Convinced We Are Top 10 Team, Maybe Not Top 20.

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I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.
 
I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.
I’m not sure what film you’re watching. I’ve watched the Duke game three times and will agree we were fortunate to win, but I dispute the notion that we rely solely on the three. I see a team that starts at least three outstanding defenders, excellent passers all over the court and creates offense in transition. Not a perfect team but a darn good one
 
I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.

Why would the shooting percentages be reversed? Why not conclude we’ll get better? Why worse?
 
I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.
Did Kentucky miss open shots as well? Why only focus on Duke missing shots, when Kentucky missed a shit ton of open shots as well. Kentucky made adjustments and executed better, this narrative that Kentucky only won because of Duke missing open shots is getting old. You saw Kentucky beat one of the best teams in the nation and your takeaway from that is Kentucky being over ranked?
 
Did Kentucky miss open shots as well? Why only focus on Duke missing shots, when Kentucky missed a shit ton of open shots as well. Kentucky made adjustments and executed better, this narrative that Kentucky only won because of Duke missing open shots is getting old. You saw Kentucky beat one of the best teams in the nation and your takeaway from that is Kentucky being over ranked?
I think OP is struggling with accepting that we can finally be good again. We have collective PTSD as a fanbase from the past five years
 
I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.
“There are none so blind as those who will not see “. Let me guess, you’re one of those people still wearing a Covid mask while driving alone in your car, lol .
 
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'VE CONVINCED YOU (read it as The Rock)
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I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.
i can't convince you because it sounds like you either 1) have an agenda or 2) have made up your mind.

Luckily in CBB, and shoot even in the NBA (except for playoffs) you only need to beat a team once. We beat Duke with an inside game.
If you watched that game like you claimed you'd have seen that.
 
I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.

I think you are misunderstanding or mislabeling the offensive forte of the team. It is not live by the three/die by the three as in “the three is the only option on offense”.

It is, however, having multiple threats from 3 on the floor at all times. Sometimes that means you fill it up from behind the arc, or in Pope’s system, sometimes those multiple threats opens the floor allowing for great driving and/or cutting lanes for easy buckets at the rim. Up till now, I would argue this team has won because of better than expected, above average defense.


At the end of the day, EVERY team lives by the three or dies by it…you are either winning by making enough of them or losing because the other team does.

I’m just glad to finally root for a team that
  1. has potential to either kill you by filling it up behind the arc OR
  2. by preventing the other team from doing so defensively…
  3. Has a coach that will change things up to maximize the chances to take advantage of either 1 or 2 above.
 
I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.
I on the other hand believe our CATS would win 8 out of 10 times. They will still mostly be young and inexperienced and we will still be more mature and experienced. Have to also look at our second half defense really shutting down everyone but Flagg, Flaggs 3 late turnovers basically helped us win. We took advantage of those opportunities! Also DON"T forget our supposed best player only scored 1 pt. I believe he would score a minimum of 12-15 ppg in the fantasy rematches. Thus we win 8 of 10! GBB
 
My biggest concern moving into the year was that we might be a 10-12 loss team and that would spell doom for our all-time wins lead. I now am convinced we are definitely a top 15 team and have a great chance to keep our record and I trust Pope to keep it. It’s something that is very important to me as a fan
 
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Give the guy a break. He did use the tired opener, “Big UK fan”, with the subsequent qualifier immediately following, “but”.

No troll attempt. Just basketball conversation on a chilly day.
 
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I'll take a stab at a legit answer. Call me a sucker. I've been called much worse! 😂

We have a perimeter oriented team. No doubt. But we've got guys that don't necessarily NEED to shoot at range. They're called SHOT MAKERS for a reason. And they've shown that, proven that, already. So perhaps labelling them as a live by 3, die it team is not really what you've got. And that's a good thing, if you're looking for substance to believe in.

Cals teams here LACKED shot makers, by and large. So you must feel better at this point.

The team has got good size, good depth. I think the that will become more obvious as we play better opponents. We've got really good defensively minded players, proven at this level. So in a rock fight against, say the Vols.... Ask yourself :

Would you rather have Oweh and Butler & co. Or zz & Lanier ? I think we've got a good edge there. We shall see. And that doesn't mention Amare, Garrison, and Carr to body up when it gets physical, as it surely will against the SEC teams especially. We're built to withstand that rigor.

And I'm not going to go down a list further than that for players and skillets. Either you can see we can hold our own or not.

But I'll end with this :

We've got Coach Pope.

The other team doesn't.

That's worth at least a partridge in a peartree.

Or maybe you think Pearl, Oates, Barnes, or the other coaches (hint hint) are going to have their teams better prepared?

I think not.

Ask Scheyer.

He has some choice words about CMP and his coaching in-game moves.

In short, there's a lot there to feel confident about. It's not rocket science.

And if Kentucky is that overrated at this point, considering UK was ranked #23 at the start of the season....

Either everyone now realizing they underrated UK to begin with, and they're overvaluing UK now, which seems to be where you're at....

Or

Just about everyone was wrong, and time is going to tell you all where this UK team is.

I'm feeling pretty good about how solid we are. And so are the rest of us here....

Just do yourself a favor and give up the doubt and fear, have some confidence and ... Enjoy the ride.

Sounds like maybe the only thing to fear is ....
Fear itself? Just may-be.

Go Big Blue!
 
I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.
You, my friend, are doing what on X / Twitter is known as “engagement farming”. LMAO.
 
I know that we beat our hated Rivals The PUKE Blue Devils and we have three other gaudy wins against very inferior opposition. It took Puke shooting terribly from 3 point range and UK at a very respectable 40 percent for us to eke out a very close win. Had the shooting percentages been reversed, which they well could be in a future game with Puke, it could equate to a 15-20 point loss for UK the next time we play them.

My concern is that if UK depends solely on hitting a high number of 3’s per game then when we don’t we will lose. Remember the old adage that when we live by the three, we can certainly die by the three when we are not hitting from the outside.

My concern in particular is when we play a team like Tennessee or another team who plays very tight man to man defense, then we will struggle to score from the outside which is our forte. 🙏 Please someone convince me I am wrong and give me reasons to believe UK truly is a top 10-15 team. I just truly believe UK is currently way over ranked, based for the most part on our win over Puke. I truly believe if we played this current Puke team or a team similar in talent UK would lose 8 out of 10 times.
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Andy Katz ranks UK 5th in power rankings

OP is a troll.
 
I can see my post has resulted in a lot of thought provoking very well thought out responses which is what I had hoped. Like I said I am a huge UK fan as graduated from there , met my wife there and we’re within 8 days of celebrating our 50th wedding anniversary. Thanks 🙏 for all of the great responses.
 
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