Football players are literally the bread winners .... they deserve to eat ... this era of “cheap labor” is coming to the end ... myself I will still watch and enjoy College Football .. just glad the farce is coming to closure
Big Ten Athletes meet with Big Ten Commish to discuss Media Rights revenue sharing
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Football players are literally the bread winners .... they deserve to eat ... this era of “cheap labor” is coming to the end ... myself I will still watch and enjoy College Football .. just glad the farce is coming to closure
I don’t want to be dramatic but my life will be quite less enjoyable without collegiate athletics. Grabbing a fishing pole or hitting a golf course on a fall Saturday just ain’t gonna cut it.
If the conferences should share the money then the employees of Ford, GM, Black & Decker, etc etc should all get a cut of the revenues.
The schools should also pass along the bills of upgrading the weight rooms, salaries of coaches, stadiums, food, lodging, teachers etc etc etc etc to the players as well.
I was unaware employees of Ford, GM, etc... did not receive a salary, benefits, corporate discounts and whatnot from their companies, very interesting. I will need to rethink my stance on sharing revenues with players who will soon be the reason $100 million a year will be added to the school athletic budgets that otherwise would not exist.
A significant difference is one group are employees and the other are not.
If schools and conferences play this position right, they could get this insanity under control.
1) be willing to discuss revenue sharing of tv rights but advise can't be done unless all agree. All can't agree unless they enter a collective bargaining agreement wherein an individual or group of individuals are appointed to represent the student athletes.
2) exchange a percentage of tv revenue in return for nil caps and/or elimination of payments/promises with inducement to commit.
Everyone wins. College basketball and football are saved.
That is a somewhat reasonable take and completely different than your first stance on the subject, the thought of charging the football players for others salaries and facility upgrades is ridiculous as they are the reason we can pay a womens basketball coach $1 million a year and build a facility for the track team in the first place.
Capping NIL? Nope, cant do that. Players are entitled to get as much as they can, and that should be the case.
Eliminating promises to players if they commit to a school? That is supposed to be happening now, but thanks to the NCAA taking a stance similar to your original post they were not prepared to handle the new rules. Times have changed and when college football became a multi-billion dollar business then the players deserved to get their piece if the pie from tv contracts.
The whole they aren't employees is just semantics, they deserve the money. A group of individuals representing the players is exactly what is happening in with the Big 10 and will get more formal with time. You cant have a CBA without having the initial talks.
Capping NIL? Nope, cant do that. Players are entitled to get as much as they can, and that should be the case.
Eliminating promises to players if they commit to a school? That is supposed to be happening now, but thanks to the NCAA taking a stance similar to your original post they were not prepared to handle the new rules. Times have changed and when college football became a multi-billion dollar business then the players deserved to get their piece if the pie from tv contracts.
The whole they aren't employees is just semantics, they deserve the money. A group of individuals representing the players is exactly what is happening in with the Big 10 and will get more formal with time. You cant have a CBA without having the initial talks.
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I hope you are being sarcastic.
If not, please tell me which of these players own a $100M stadium that all these stars could play in on Saturday?
How many have weight rooms, a training staff, individual coaches, free health care, proper nutrition, free transportation, jet airplanes to fly to games in, schedulers to put it all together so it all can take place???
Your post reminds me of those folks who want to tear down America even though someone else built it, paid for it, sacrificed for it, then handed it to you, and you want to tear it all down.
Be careful what you tear down. May never be the same once it's gone, and most of these players will end up playing sandlot football in someone's back yard again if the current system is taken down by greed and selfishness.
And in case you have forgotten how difficult it is to start your own "league", just look at how many have tried and failed over the past 30 years. They always go bankrupt before they can get off the ground, and no one is watching.
Today's players and athletic departments have never had it so good. That could change in a heartbeat. For everyone.
I know football is exactly why the non revenue sports can even operate. After all, they are called non revenue for a reason. There are title 9 concerns of "equality"; whether or not one agrees with the current interpretation of that term or not. That's why none of this can be school sponsored otherwise it triggers that application.
You can absolutely cap nil if it's done by agreement. You can't do it unilaterally but if the parties agree it can definitely be done. The issue is 1) getting all parties together and 2) getting them to agree.
There are 85 scholarship players per team. There are 14 big ten teams. Either all 1190 (assuming walk ons aren't included, but they probably are. This is just for illustration) show up simultaneously to negotiate, or they all sign on to allow an individual or group to represent them. That happens all the time across America and across all industries.
That gets everyone to the table. Now they can voluntarily cap nil in return for revenue sharing.
Would be a monumental task to make it all happen, but imo it's the best way to save college sports. It probably skirts title 9 and definitely gets around the rule against capping earnings since it's a voluntary agreement
My suggestion ... Get use to the new normal in College Athletics
From The Wall Street Journal today:
In the last two years, athletes have won the ability to transfer freely between schools, sign endorsement deals and earn academic stipends of up to $2,990 per semester. Up next could be reclassifying college athletes as employees who share in the revenues they help generate for their universities.
Since the summer of 2021, the climate has become more favorable for college athletes seeking employee status. The Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the NCAA had illegally sought to limit educational benefits available to college athletes in NCAA v. Alston. The case wasn’t explicitly about athlete pay, but Justice Brett Kavanaugh criticized the NCAA’s model more broadly in a concurring opinion, writing, “Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate.”
However, a model where a disproportionate amount of male athletes make money could violate Title IX, says Maddie Salamone, an attorney and former chair of the NCAA’s Student-Athlete Advisory Committee.The federal statute requires public institutions to provide equal benefits and financial assistance to men’s and women’s teams.
One possibility would be to classify all college athletes as salaried employees, no matter how much revenue their sports generate. But even the most strident advocates for college athletes worry that turning on the employment spigot for all athletes at once would create a financial crunch for universities, possibly prompting them to cut certain sports, with men’s Olympic sports like gymnastics or soccer facing the greatest risk of elimination.
Among the most radical visions, most recently backed by Ohio State University athletic director Gene Smith, is the idea of a formal divorce between athletic departments—or perhaps just single sports—and academic institutions. Athletes might be hired by teams similar to the way professional sports teams sign prospects. Going to school while playing a sport might not be required—a development that could render the NCAA irrelevant and end college sports as we know it.
www.wsj.com
From The Wall Street Journal today:
Should College Athletes Be Paid? A Once-Radical Idea Gains Momentum
College sports are in the midst of a wild period of transformation that could ultimately lead to what some see as the wildest shift of all: paying salaries to college athletes.In the last two years, athletes have won the ability to transfer freely between schools, sign endorsement deals and earn academic stipends of up to $2,990 per semester. Up next could be reclassifying college athletes as employees who share in the revenues they help generate for their universities.
Since the summer of 2021, the climate has become more favorable for college athletes seeking employee status. The Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the NCAA had illegally sought to limit educational benefits available to college athletes in NCAA v. Alston. The case wasn’t explicitly about athlete pay, but Justice Brett Kavanaugh criticized the NCAA’s model more broadly in a concurring opinion, writing, “Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate.”
However, a model where a disproportionate amount of male athletes make money could violate Title IX, says Maddie Salamone, an attorney and former chair of the NCAA’s Student-Athlete Advisory Committee.The federal statute requires public institutions to provide equal benefits and financial assistance to men’s and women’s teams.
One possibility would be to classify all college athletes as salaried employees, no matter how much revenue their sports generate. But even the most strident advocates for college athletes worry that turning on the employment spigot for all athletes at once would create a financial crunch for universities, possibly prompting them to cut certain sports, with men’s Olympic sports like gymnastics or soccer facing the greatest risk of elimination.
Among the most radical visions, most recently backed by Ohio State University athletic director Gene Smith, is the idea of a formal divorce between athletic departments—or perhaps just single sports—and academic institutions. Athletes might be hired by teams similar to the way professional sports teams sign prospects. Going to school while playing a sport might not be required—a development that could render the NCAA irrelevant and end college sports as we know it.
Should College Athletes Be Paid? A Once-Radical Idea Gains Momentum
Now that endorsement deals and academic stipends are allowed, a push for employment is growing—here’s what that could look like for players and fans.
www.wsj.com
This where things are going to really get interesting for me regarding the conferences and the ncaa. Unless they get a CBA in place this could get really ugly
Short of clarity and significant NIL investment benefiting UK football, within the next 12 months, UK’s best choice, along with the likes of IU, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Vandy, Hell, maybe UGA and Bama, the Mississippi Schools, South Carolina, etc., etc. is to look around for the closest pile of 20-30 million yet unspent!
And guess what, each of those schools have that pile of cash headed their way from TV deals associated with the two major conferences.
If NIL continues to head the direction it is going, urban schools like U of L, Houston, Cincinnati, UCLA/USC, Georgia Tech,etc. may find themselves in the driver’s seat.
Do you know how many people live in Auburn, Alabama, Starkville, Miss., Oxford, Miss., etc.?
Isn’t Lexington, Ky., the third largest urban area sporting an SEC team, trailing only Nashville and Knoxville?
The SEC better get it’s “collective” arse in gear, if it hopes to continue its ride: and the one real advantage it has is massive TV dollars that are soon to grow far “massiver” than the TV dollars going to anyone left out of the Big Two!!
Those employees all get a negotiated split of revenue, their right to organize and strike protected federally by the 1936 Wagner Act.
As far as coaches salaries and gold-plated practice facilities . . . I think we have now seen the “top-of-the-market,” and will see a severe downward trend . . . as NIL dollars increase, coaches’ salaries and infrastructure investments (that had grown damn near exponentially since the 70’s) will flatten, and falter.
USC is already reaping the benefits especially with Transfer ... WR Jordan Addison the 2021 Biletnikoff Award winner and extremely likely 2023 NFL 1st Round Draft left Pitt for USC ... NIL likely had a very large role in that move.
Football teams financially support universities. They have leverage. Will be interesting to see how much leverage though, and if it's enough to make changes. Luckily I am someone who doesn't care if they players make $1 or $10000000.....I just want to watch athletes wearing UK jerseys trying to beat other teams. Should provide more entertainment over the years, similar to NIL.
Just take everything away from them that they get free. You want housing, food, medical, tutoring, clothes, training, publicity, etc? Then you better cut a check for it from your NIL money. Oh yeah, pay for your scholarship that keeps you eligible and getting that NIL while you're at it. They might then realize how good they had it when they see how much is invested in them financially.
lol... they already make a salary (scholarship); benefits (medical, and more) corporate discounts (free clothes) and whatnot (NIL)....
revenue sharing IS NOT capitalism... that is much more along the lines of socialism
They'll just go to a school that offers that leaving butthurt fans who only see them as entertainment behind. They have leverage, butthurt fans don't. I didn't say fans either, the small group of butthurt fans who bring nothing to the table but misery have zero leverage.
Profit sharing plans are part of benefit packages for about every Fortune 500 company.
Title IX is the law of the land, so it must be adhered to. I’m not an attorney, but I suspect what players earn through NIL is of no concern to Title IX, unless it is being paid, negotiated or otherwise influenced by the school.
I understand your sentiments, but TV dollars go for actual eyes, rather than potential eyes. SEC games
I u sweat and your logic, but I’m not
It’s understand your logic, but I’m not sure the datas bares out. I only checked one source, so we can take it with a grain of salt, but there’s a lot of small market SEC teams that draw huge audiences. Also, I found. It quite surprising how UL gets 2.5x the eyes the we average. We benefit both association and I suspect our viewership will rise as we had quality opponents like Texas and Oklahoma.
