Big $$$ Raise for Barnhart
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Based on this from another thread, I have a question (and don't expect honest answers).
How many posters in this thread are true Kentucky fans (and not Trolls)?
"Alsoit is worth mentioning that wildcat lair message board may be the most trolled message board on the internet. There are only about 10 actual uk fans that post there. The vast majority of posts there are by deep undercover trolls. I personally post there almost daily under 6 different usernames. Many of the most popular and well respected lair posters are actually deep cover trolls. A small group of UofL and Tennessee fans post 70% of the content on the Lair."
How many posters in this thread are true Kentucky fans (and not Trolls)?
"Alsoit is worth mentioning that wildcat lair message board may be the most trolled message board on the internet. There are only about 10 actual uk fans that post there. The vast majority of posts there are by deep undercover trolls. I personally post there almost daily under 6 different usernames. Many of the most popular and well respected lair posters are actually deep cover trolls. A small group of UofL and Tennessee fans post 70% of the content on the Lair."
The same applies to the praise. So right back in your .oooooo1% court.
At most major universities there's a good chance that Mitch would have been retired and not rewarded. A false high ground can be trumpeted but in my opinion UL's AD is head and shoulders above UK's, as is likely true with the rest of the SEC.
I will say he is a perfect fit for the bland BOT and President who don't want anything to make their hearts beat faster and to be forced to make a significant decision.
Blah blah blah....but they still beat us every year in football. The end.
What a terrible decision...
Pray Cal doesn't leave before 2022.
Microwave Boy hiring another MBB HC should scare every UK fan to death.
Pray Cal doesn't leave before 2022.
Microwave Boy hiring another MBB HC should scare every UK fan to death.
Barnhart has the personality of a tree stump. His body of work included:
Gave us the Joker, Kept Ten loss Tubby too long, Gave us Billy G., Did not want to hire Cal,
Brooks was an average hire given the Hal M tenure, Baseball and women's basketball are
going in the wrong direction,The Jury is still out on Stoops.
Many Big Donors are disappointed in Barnhart.
He should be packing rather than getting a contract extension and raise.
Gave us the Joker, Kept Ten loss Tubby too long, Gave us Billy G., Did not want to hire Cal,
Brooks was an average hire given the Hal M tenure, Baseball and women's basketball are
going in the wrong direction,The Jury is still out on Stoops.
Many Big Donors are disappointed in Barnhart.
He should be packing rather than getting a contract extension and raise.
MB has kept us off of a major probation in both Basketball and football. That is something we could not do for five straight decades under his predecessors.
enjoy the responses in this thread trying to justify Barnhart as being a great AD and worthy of this massive contract by citing sports that are not 'revenue neutral', they are revenue SUBTRACTING. Football is the bell cow, and just look at his win/loss record since being hired in 2002. best ever results are a couple of 7-5 years. mostly losing seasons, some horrific 2 win only abominations.
I'm old enough to sadly remember the sunday morning call-in shows who pumped Mitch up when he was a candidate saying he was a football AD, just look at his time at Tennessee, look at him hiring Dennis Erickson at Oregon State, he will make football a priority at UK! Truth if the matter is he let an already fragile program wither on the vine, thinking 6-6 or 7-5 was just fine results, take all the money generated and lavish it on sports that don't draw a dozen paying fans. until it was too late, THEN he got serious, THEN he got facilities funded. Only we are seeing with ticket sales that a significant portion of the fanbase broke from supporting UK & thus far ain't coming back.
noone hopes more than me that Stoops pulls it out and starting this season we see a winner. But if he doesnt? it is unconscionable that thanks to this lavish long term contract Mitch Barnhart will have the responsibility of hiring a fourth head football coach at the University of Kentucky. leave this state & the friendly media members & ask any national college sports reporter if Barnhart is in the upper tier of athletic directors, and the answer will be a resounding.....who?
BTW isnt it amazing this contract got inked at all? during the dark days at the end of the Joker era and right after hiring Stoops Barnhart hand-fed stories to friendly UK media folks about how he was not going to do this much longer, how he had a higher calling for his life, he would be retiring soon to do volunteer and mission work. yeah, so much truth in those leaks. one could even say how hypocritical it is for a man to wrap himself in his christian faith saying oh i'm going to go do good in the world soon & stop cashing these huge paychecks.
I'm old enough to sadly remember the sunday morning call-in shows who pumped Mitch up when he was a candidate saying he was a football AD, just look at his time at Tennessee, look at him hiring Dennis Erickson at Oregon State, he will make football a priority at UK! Truth if the matter is he let an already fragile program wither on the vine, thinking 6-6 or 7-5 was just fine results, take all the money generated and lavish it on sports that don't draw a dozen paying fans. until it was too late, THEN he got serious, THEN he got facilities funded. Only we are seeing with ticket sales that a significant portion of the fanbase broke from supporting UK & thus far ain't coming back.
noone hopes more than me that Stoops pulls it out and starting this season we see a winner. But if he doesnt? it is unconscionable that thanks to this lavish long term contract Mitch Barnhart will have the responsibility of hiring a fourth head football coach at the University of Kentucky. leave this state & the friendly media members & ask any national college sports reporter if Barnhart is in the upper tier of athletic directors, and the answer will be a resounding.....who?
BTW isnt it amazing this contract got inked at all? during the dark days at the end of the Joker era and right after hiring Stoops Barnhart hand-fed stories to friendly UK media folks about how he was not going to do this much longer, how he had a higher calling for his life, he would be retiring soon to do volunteer and mission work. yeah, so much truth in those leaks. one could even say how hypocritical it is for a man to wrap himself in his christian faith saying oh i'm going to go do good in the world soon & stop cashing these huge paychecks.
It's more funny to me that all the Barnhart detractors are obviously in the minority about their evaluation of his tenure as AD. The President of UK and board obviously think he is doing a very good job. His peers obviously have tremendous respect for him as an AD since he was voted AD of the year. I haven't checked this, so I could be mistaken, but I think we have finished higher in the directors cup standing more years than not, compared with U of L over his tenure. It's pretty funny to see these same people, who have criticized him from day one, have to keep defending their position every time he gets recognition of sort.
want to cite a poll result where every single UK fan was asked to vote up or down? I look forward to your link proving your claim to be true. otherwise it is just your uneducated opinion.
very good? why not make him one of the highest paid ADs in the conference if not the nation. why has no other college ever sought to hire him. other than the pathetic manufactured Kansas job opening rumor.
No, you should educate yourself on that dubious 'award'. Wasnt some nationwide voting or something. Oh and you failed to mention he shared that award with 3 other AD's.
Barnhart was one of four selected in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision, along with Chris Del Conte of TCU, Warde Manuel of Connecticut and Ian McCaw of Baylor. They will receive their honors June 17 at the annual NACDA awards luncheon in Orlando, Florida.
don't know if that is true either, but if it were why is it great? UK has been in the SEC the entire time, the most powerful richest conference in the country. UL bounced from CUSA to Big East to AAC to ACC, has far less money far less fans. Why don't you cite the football record of UK vs UL since 2002?
glad you are enjoying our embrace and rewarding of mediocrity, your happiness will apparently continue up to 2022.
Mitch is a very good AD. He has upgraded facilities across the board. Football finally has SEC worthy facilities to go along with very nice soccer, softball and track & field facilities. Tennis and baseball will soon have top notch new facilities. The facility infrastructure is the foundation of any good athletic department to build upon. Yes he has missed on a few coaching hires but also made some excellent choices. UK has one of the most viable financial athletic departments in the country. 95% of athletic departments out there have to supplement their deficits with student fees and university contributions but UK actually gives money back to the university to help build academic buildings. Yes football has struggled but i think they are in the best position to succeed in a long time. Baseball should be on an upswing with a young new coach and a new stadium. The majority of the other UK sports are in a great position especially mens basketball, rifle, track, both soccers, softball, & swimming. That raise will put Mitch in the 10-20 range for pay for athletic directors which i think is about where he should be. Jurich is actually the second highest paid AD in the country.
Way to make football a priority, Mitch! We've been paying you since 2002!
This extension and raise disgusts me. He is already being paid $600,000/year and we were stuck with him already for 3.5 more years.
Who are these people at UK who are afraid that someone will snatch him away?
Were the numbers posted above?
Here are some of them:
Under the amended contract, Barnhart, 56, will see his $730,000 annual salary increase to $840,000 beginning in 2019.
For each of the remaining years on the deal, Barnhart gets an annual increase, making $880,000 in 2020 and $925,000 in 2021.
The amendment includes six-figure bonuses that go directly into a deferred-compensation retirement fund for each year he remains at UK on top of yearly retention bonuses starting in 2019.
The deferred-compensation package, essentially a supplemental retirement deal, is paid to Barnhart only if he remains at Kentucky.
As far as longevity bonuses, they start for Barnhart in 2019, when he gets an additional $50,000. That increases to $75,000 in 2020, $100,000 in 2021 and $150,000 in 2022. Barnhart will be 63 when this deal ends.
The amended contract also has a liquidated damages clause that offers Barnhart $925,000 if he is terminated without cause between now and 2019. If he’s fired without cause after June 30, 2019, he gets a $550,000 payout.
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-football/article88620362.html
And was this kept quiet?
Guy Ramsey, UK’s director of strategic communications, said he wasn’t sure why the contract amendment wasn’t posted until nearly four months after it was signed.
Too bad you guys don't have any real pull. Your butthurt messages don't seem to be very effective.
Damn straight!! Because if there's one thing UK needs, it's a hooker scandal!
Name another school in the SEC that would accept 6 straight years of losing seasons in football and give their AD a raise before the possible 7th losing season in a row has begun. Is there another school in the "Football Crazy" SEC that would even accept a basketball team that has had 6 losing seasons in a row without some heat on the AD who hired those coaches???? Few others besides the athletes themselves and their families/friends give a hoot about most of the other sports besides men's basketball and football. As far as facilities improvements....Unless you are in the football suites, most fans haven't reaped any benefits whatsoever from the upgraded stadium. In fact, their experiences have been damaged.
Geez, if Mitch had spent 5,000 dollars more just to upgrade the shitty tv's we watch while waiting in long lines at the food vendors I might not be typing this at all. Such an simple fix and accommodation to make for the average fan's experience at the game and not one person made it a priority for the fans.
Geez, if Mitch had spent 5,000 dollars more just to upgrade the shitty tv's we watch while waiting in long lines at the food vendors I might not be typing this at all. Such an simple fix and accommodation to make for the average fan's experience at the game and not one person made it a priority for the fans.
You act like we were Alabama and he turned us into a losing program. We've been a losing program your entire life, lol at your intellectually dishonest argument.
He doesn't deserve a raise or an extension. A "Jurich" type would. Eli and the BOT are lap dogs with their tails tucked firmly between their legs in the sports arena.
His successes have been in revenue negative efforts. He competes in areas that are only sidelines for other ADs and avoids the real challenge of football. Any positive changes there were demanded at the turnstiles.
The one thing you can say for him is that he has kept his nose out of basketball, but only, after several failed efforts. If it weren't for Cal he would have ruined that and be out on his butt by now.
Basketball swings the big stick.
His successes have been in revenue negative efforts. He competes in areas that are only sidelines for other ADs and avoids the real challenge of football. Any positive changes there were demanded at the turnstiles.
The one thing you can say for him is that he has kept his nose out of basketball, but only, after several failed efforts. If it weren't for Cal he would have ruined that and be out on his butt by now.
Basketball swings the big stick.
Some of you claim that Mitch is so good/great.
The NACDA Directors' Cup (formerly the Sears Cup) ranks all the collegiate athletic programs.
In Mitch's 14 years of being (over)paid at UK, Kentucky has NEVER ONCE been ranked in the top ten.
He is another in a long list of bad/mediocre UK athletic directors. But he is BY FAR the most overpaid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACDA_Directors'_Cup
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If mitch took this raise (and the one before it, even less deserved IMO) and applied it to the deficit in income he has cost UK from his measly support of football (obviously the coming money sport to anyone with a pulse) for TEN YEARS (and forced to action then) then he MIGHT pay off about a tenth of the money he has cost UK football before he leaves.
With the greatest talent and exciting players UK has possibly ever had (close to twenty four stars AND a five star on the roster, compared to two or three max, if any at all, available to Brooks and Joker) this century we are still about 6,000 season ticket sales behind the ticket sales at this time of the year in Joker's first year as HC.
And MOST of that is entirely because of the NECESSARY strike by long time devoted fans because of mitchs lack of help AND cavalier attitude toward football and its fans.
But I do think he will come out smelling like a rose again when (not if) we start winning again and our young (excellent) talent starts to emerge, first Cal and then Stoops, both of whom he deserves very little credit for IMO. Of course the HUGE influx of money (FROM FOOTBALL, and the rest of the SEC, NOT us), also had a great deal to do with it-------although he did have to obligate the athletic department for an extra hundred million or so to get the facilities upgrades all the other SEC football teams have enjoyed for about ten years or more.
But, better late than never.
With the greatest talent and exciting players UK has possibly ever had (close to twenty four stars AND a five star on the roster, compared to two or three max, if any at all, available to Brooks and Joker) this century we are still about 6,000 season ticket sales behind the ticket sales at this time of the year in Joker's first year as HC.
And MOST of that is entirely because of the NECESSARY strike by long time devoted fans because of mitchs lack of help AND cavalier attitude toward football and its fans.
But I do think he will come out smelling like a rose again when (not if) we start winning again and our young (excellent) talent starts to emerge, first Cal and then Stoops, both of whom he deserves very little credit for IMO. Of course the HUGE influx of money (FROM FOOTBALL, and the rest of the SEC, NOT us), also had a great deal to do with it-------although he did have to obligate the athletic department for an extra hundred million or so to get the facilities upgrades all the other SEC football teams have enjoyed for about ten years or more.
But, better late than never.
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LOL
If you are talking about the ONE significant thing he did for football (finally), replacing the scoreboards that were TWO YEARS past their estimated life time when finally installed (after MANY complaints by fans, how much has TV improved over that TWELVE years?) then I don't know what to tell you. Funny how the money (about a third of what football was clearing in ONE YEAR with minimum support) that he couldn't possibly raise a day sooner was REPLACED in about a day when the faculty objected to LOANING football a small portion of the MILLIONS it had given academics over the years, even though it was a LOAN with INTEREST.
Of course some time in there he did spend about $156,000 to hang some pictures on a wall somewhere, but then I think that was just to show the microwave fans who was boss, he did that instead of trying to make the recruiting room about a thousand times more palatable with the same money.
Hard to believe you are finally coming around, that last sentence was great. While seven or eight wins this season is a possibility (I wouldn't be that surprised) we still play in the SEC, and while we can upset some teams some other teams can certainly upset us, I do predict a bowl season though and think more is certainly possible-------but it isn't basketball, and I expect the real progress, from both players and staff, to show up big time in 17.
But even then you will be kidding yourself if you think we are going to have talent like the top teams in the SEC, some seem to forget that as recently as 2010 we had ZERO four stars in the whole state. And some forget that we had NO four stars and ONE 5.7 committed before Joker took over that year, and he had recruited Sanders AND added THREE 5.7s and a four star at the last minute when he took over. And home state talent is a HUGE factor in recruiting (the recent increase there a huge positive), and Stoops is getting the best of that with ONE exception. And yes, OSU still has a huge advantage over us for their really elite in state talent, even with Marrow.
I just hope that some of the other negative nellies jump on your bandwagon and quit hurting instead of helping recruiting, (and yes I do believe recruits AND their parents do read these boards)-------don't you?
I wonder how many of those idiots think they are actually getting Stoops fired before the 17 season is in the books. But like I said, I do think they can have some effect on recruiting-------unfortunately.
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One of your posts that I have to agree with almost all of it. Really disgusting that jurich has used his win at all costs philosophies to make beating UL even a bump in the road for UK in football, he had a hell of a lot of help from mitch to do that, JMO.
Whasamatta wich you? Did you forget how to click the "like" button, I didn't.
There are FOUR reasons for the tremendous upgrades to the football facilities (and coaches salaries).
Number one, and probably most important, the fan strike-------which happened AFTER mitch cost UK athletics literally millions of dollars, and which will continue to cost us millions until the new talent brings SOME of the long time ticket holders back into the fold. And fans should start coming back in 17, unbelievable upgrade in the quality of athlete fans will pay to see, a lot of it on the UK side for a change.
Number two, and a huge factor, the unbelievable amount of money FOOTBALL is bringing UK due to the OTHER programs in the SEC that saw which sport was the coming money cow. And most have about a ten year head start thanks to mitch.
Number three, obligating the athletic department for about $100,000,000 more than the football improvements cost in order to get the funding through the state legislature. And while UK football has donated millions to the academic side over the years, including paying full OOS tuition over the years for MOST of the 85 rides, they refused to LOAN the money to fund the long overdue scoreboards. And then a lot of fans think they overstepped their authority (and perhaps showed their jealousy) by kicking a talented player not just off the team but off campus that was acquitted by a Grand Jury that should have had a lot more resources than they had.
Number four, while mitch insulted and alienated a lot of potential donars and pretty much said the KFund was his to spend (and he didn't have time for the small fry-----still doesn't really) and he would do what he wanted with it (the $156,000 for pictures on some wall instead of trying to put some lipstick on the sow that was the "recruiting room" that Tee lied to recruits about an example) and our PR man needing a PR man for himself, once the University actually used some of the TENS OF MILLIONS football is responsible for to renovate CW the pretty much non-existent donations for the new football complex became available.
AND, off the subject a bit but VERY relevant IMO, city colleges (and the usual suspects, Thug U, Auburn, etc) waving 20 hundred dollar bills in front of our four star commits and promising them the same upgrade every year they are there-------and that is LEGAL and in addition to any $100 handshakes they might happen to run into.
But of course we all know jurich and crew would never bring that up, just like none of the schools Brooks and Joker recruited against had any pictures of the "recruiting room" that made liars of any coach dumb enough to tell them that UK was committed to football. Sounds like Tee was the only one smart enough not to show it to them.
Yes, the COA is a complicated subject (thanks, NCAA, what a loser) but if it can't be done how did Bama double theirs in a day or so to even the ground with Auburn? Five hundred athletes (and this won't just hurt football recruiting, although the potential millionaires in bb won't be affected as much) times $2000 a year is only a million a year (only $170,000 in football, less than mitches raise), EASILY lost in ticket sales and other potential football income that elite players would bring in in football-------and some more in other sports.
If we can throw literally tens of millions of dollars in salaries (AND buyouts if they FAIL, what the hell) at our coaches (and ADs) then how about a measly million more to the men and women that actually do the heavy lifting AND that are more important to our success.
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I thought all true UK football fans already had one in place of a brain. Or is that just mitch's opinion?
I agree with you that most sports have had a big upgrade since he has been here, however, even though I do follow ALL of them if given half a chance football is BY FAR the most important to me------plus I think he has mostly been lucky in both the Cal and Stoops hires (and Stoops lucky in hiring Marrow).
BUT i think he would have had MUCH more money to spend on the other sports and they would be better off if not for his shortsighted NONsupport of football. And when you consider that football with ABYSMAL support from him brought in three times as much income as basketball, which has NO LIMIT on the spending or facilities apparently (AND makes money because of the investment) you have to wonder what he was thinking. And isn't one of his jobs to point out these things to the basketball purists?.
Anyone in his position that didn't invest as much as they could in football in the time he was here, when football had NOTHING relative to basketball but still brought in three times the money was just very shortsighted ,IMO, and that is being very nice. ,
He has contributed as little to that football income as anyone in the conference, with the possible exception of one small private school that didn't even have an AD for quite a while, not sure if they do to this day.
UK has gained a couple million every year from Bama's investment in football the past few years from their multiple BCS appearances, and from other SEC schools when they didn't make the playoffs, not counting how much money they have made for UK with the SEC and TV contracts.
The NCAA rapes the schools from the basketball tournaments, etc, and now we have the horrible COA situation which they threw us into.
Well, I would be tempted to agree with you if he gave JC the support he gave our other coaches up until the strike. But do you really think a little fire and brimstone talk still wouldn't have straightened mitch out?
Has anyone ever told you that you are pretty easy? I hope some sarcasm was involved.
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