Barnhart should be run out of Lexington for not hiring Petrino!
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It's not why you don't hire him. It's just what it is. He doesn't get hired because he's an embarrassing shitbag of a human being
Again, as others said, your team is a few miles west. If you love him, switch and cheer for him
I find it kind of funny that folks think that by not wanting Petrino we are holding our coach to some impossible moral standard. It is actually a pretty attainable thing to be more morally responsible than Bobby Petrino.
I was proud of UK for not hiring Petrino , he walked out on a nfl team for crying out loud . He can't be trusted and is a low life person , you don't have to bastardize your school to win . The comparison of Saban to Petrino is just beyond dumb , not being a saint and being Petrino is as bad as examples get . Petrino is not making everyday mistakes , most coaches don't have any significant issues and yet people still make stupid comments like everybody makes mistakes . Never once have I thought that passing on him was a mistake , when he implodes again it will be on UL again .
no one thinks that. people just want the winning ability to be higher relative to the character traits. much higher.
There's the "Bobby Petrino Filter" and the "Doesn't Care About Rape Filter". That leaves plenty of winning football coaches. We just need to hire one of them.
Why are we even discussing Petrino. He's never going to coach at UK, and were stuck with Stoops for at least one more year after this year. UK can afford to spend the money to get a name coach, or a good and upcoming coach if Stoops is fired. Will they? Yes they will, if fans continue to not buy season tickets. The cupboard won't be bare as it was when Coach Brooks took over, and also when Coach Stoops was hired. We have some good recruits, some of the best we've had in a long time.
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Not comparing the men's morals of course, but tubby smith has walked out on two different teams, one of them was lied to on the way out. That is something that lots of coaches do. It shouldn't matter especially that crap NFL league where morals are at the bottom of the criteria list.
I don't like Petrino. Never have. He's a sleaze bag who has no limits. But what some of us are saying is NEXT TIME, for once, roll the damn dice and see what comes of it. If calipari has taught us anything at all, it should be that sometimes you just do it and deal with it later. Screw Petrino, but let's not take this ridiculous moral high ground to a point where we can only hire those that aren't willing to play in grey areas or do a little mud slinging. We can't afford to be as picky as some of you would like. For all we know Petrino might have been humbled by UK and the people and changed. You just don't know. I only ask that our next hire is a guy with vision. If I must sacrifice a few morals or risk a little to do that, we aren't losing anything. And if you're ok with losing as long as we achieve some stupid moral philosophy, please, find another team. Most of us are sick of losing and you're not helping.
I don't like Petrino. Never have. He's a sleaze bag who has no limits. But what some of us are saying is NEXT TIME, for once, roll the damn dice and see what comes of it. If calipari has taught us anything at all, it should be that sometimes you just do it and deal with it later. Screw Petrino, but let's not take this ridiculous moral high ground to a point where we can only hire those that aren't willing to play in grey areas or do a little mud slinging. We can't afford to be as picky as some of you would like. For all we know Petrino might have been humbled by UK and the people and changed. You just don't know. I only ask that our next hire is a guy with vision. If I must sacrifice a few morals or risk a little to do that, we aren't losing anything. And if you're ok with losing as long as we achieve some stupid moral philosophy, please, find another team. Most of us are sick of losing and you're not helping.
I understand both sides of the debate with Petrino. I can see why people would want him and why people wouldn't want him. He's done some immoral things that are well known. He's a prick and you can tell that even by his mannerisms on the sidelines. BUT he is a darn good football coach. I've seen a few people try to discredit that but his record speaks for itself. That was one occasion that a very, very good coach wanted to be at Kentucky when Petrino showed interest with this job. It would be hard to pull in a coach with his record and Kentucky had the chance. BUT the man had a lot of baggage with off the field problems. It might have been frowned upon for Kentucky with SEC officials if he would have been hired here after what took place at Arkansas. Regardless, Mitch didn't wanna go that route and picked a coach with a good resume as a coordinator. As it stands, Louisville sits as a ranked team and Kentucky hasn't been to a bowl game in several years. Even if you hate Petrino, it's easy to understand why some of our fans wanted him.
He would have coached here in '13 if hired. With that team, he would have won 5 games max; the two we did win, WKU, Vandy, and Florida (they were terrible that year, 4-8). And I'm not saying that he would have won 5; probably would have won 3.
Then, after Strong leaves for Texas, Honest Bob is off to Louisville. Doesn't matter how much of a buyout check we get- nothing, and I mean nothing, could be so humiliating.
By the way, there seems to be a misconception that Petrino has been a smashing success everywhere he has coached. Not so. He flopped in the NFL as a head coach and handled it as poorly as it could be handled. As of now, he's yet to recreate the magic at Louisville. And, on the two occasions he did succeed , he left the successor with a colossal mess to clean up.
I don't think there is a ridiculous moral high ground. Just a regular concept of morality. Or, more likely, a lower one.
Charlie Strong was probably boinking a booster's wife. I'd take him, because he makes it through the "Bobby Petrino Filter" and the "Doesn't Care About Rape" filter.
Petrino is an extreme case, but UK must end their obsession in football with losing. Even though cal and Petrino are miles apart, we still overlooked baggage and rolled the dice. We need to have the same philosophy in football. When we fire stoops, If we don't throw some serious cash at tressel or leach or "other" (men that win with a little baggage) then lots of UK fans are going to start making a hard choice I don't want to see it happen, but how do you support a sports team that has no intention of winning? We better start considering where we are and where we need to be, and less emphasis on things that simply don't matter.
There's a common theme among Petrino worshippers in that they make horrid comparisons , taking even the slightest of similarities and acting as though they are a dead match . Uruguayan flight 571 crashed in the Andes and passengers cannibalized to survive , Jeffrey Dahmer also cannibalized but you shouldn't compare the two because one is done to survive while the other is a serial killer . OJ was pulled over by the police and so is the common speeder but they're nothing alike . There are plenty of ridiculous comparisons and none of them make the Petrino case better .
You can try to reduce his actions by associating them with other situations that are entirely different but nobody is going to buy it . I've never witnessed an obsession like the one posters have for Petrino , it's a waste too for obvious reasons . Nobody is going to say the Petrino loving crowd was right either , it was never about his coaching . He could go undefeated for the next five years and I would still not regret for one second passing on him . I'm fascinated by the obsession though , lot of posters must live in Louisville as there's no other explanation for the phenomenon .
You can try to reduce his actions by associating them with other situations that are entirely different but nobody is going to buy it . I've never witnessed an obsession like the one posters have for Petrino , it's a waste too for obvious reasons . Nobody is going to say the Petrino loving crowd was right either , it was never about his coaching . He could go undefeated for the next five years and I would still not regret for one second passing on him . I'm fascinated by the obsession though , lot of posters must live in Louisville as there's no other explanation for the phenomenon .
Did Tubby walk out after the season was over at UK ? Did Petrino walk out during the season ? And you think that's similar ? That's the kind of deceitful posting that is prevalent among the Petrino crowd and that is the difference . I don't need to skew the truth to make my point .
your examples are definitely a little over board lol I understand why you dislike the guy though.
One may be worse, but they're both bad. Tubby talked out on TT while lying to his boss and lying to the players. These are college athletes, not NFL full grown men. Tubby is ten times the person, so I'm not arguing that, it's just that if walking out on teams is used in this debate, it's valid.
As I said, to hell with Petrino. It's over. I just get a kick out of the beta boys that use Indiana basketball talking points while bashing calipari in 08, but all of a sudden morals must trump all. It's BS. We need to not be afraid to roll the dice in the future. We don't have anything to lose at this point. We are the third best team in the state and we're a P5 state university in the SEC with new deals that allow for us to succeed. In the future we need to take a little baggage and deal with it.
Again more bad comparisons , hiring Cal is absolutely nothing like hiring Petrino . There situations couldn't be more different , one was perception and the other was reality . Bobby walking out in the middle of the season and Tubby taking a different job after completing his season is not valid at all . It's the same distortion of the truth to make Petrino palatable or someone like him .
It's no wonder BP supporters are ok with what he did , they are willing to say anything or malign the truth to make it appear as no big deal . Be honest and point out coaches who left their team in the middle of the year as Petrino did the Falcons , which is nothing like leaving when the year is completed . There's no way to truthfully defend that guy .
I'm not comparing the actions of Petrino to Tubby or Cal. But if you can't see that cal had major baggage when Uk hired him then we're living in different worlds. Being the head coach at two different programs stripped of entire seasons and final fours is not a good look. Being from Memphis I can also tell you Cal had major, and I mean major discipline issues at UM. Everything from arrest for inciting riots to soliciting prostitution. The Bell witch and Mitch spent a long time shifting through it all before the hire. Cal had baggage, and a good bit of it. what I'm arguing is the way UK fans were totally against Cal in the beginning. The difference is we knew we could land Cal, with some of these football coaches, since we can't really get them to begin with (or believe we can't) all of a sudden baggage is a no go. It's contradictory. Again, not comparing the MEN, comparing the situations and reactions of fans.
Look at at it this way. If a football coach who was recruiting to an extremely high level, the best in college football, was at a mid major program, and he had players in trouble for hookers, drugs, inciting riots in night clubs at 2am, two full football seasons stripped, and final appearances stripped, would you be ok with hiring him in football? This needs to be answered because that was Cals wrap sheet at UM. Don't like it but it was happening on his watch. Does it compare incident for incident at a school like UL? Hell no, but it's still a good bit of baggage.
Cal had to do what he had to do at Memphis. He played in the gray areas, there's no doubt about it. I live in Memphis and was very familiar with Cal prior to UK. I knew all the talking points before his arrival because Memphis fans said the exact same thing. I agree with it too. But he's no saint, and UK has afforded him the ability to leave the baggage behind and move on. He's done a tremendous job reviving his image. He's proven himself.
I'm friends with several college scouts and personnel. I work with them from time to time. College athletics is extremely dirty. most of the time fans have no idea how dirty it actually is. Kentucky has got to stop this BS of moral checks before we make hires. We did it with Cal the first time, Mitch tried to do it the second time, and we finally accepted it for what it is. And in basketball a little baggage hasn't hurt us one bit. Is Petrino capable of that, being he had far more damaging baggage? I'm not sure. No one knows. We will have the answer in the next decade. But If a man like Tressel is too dangerous to gamble on in football, we're done. Might as well stop watching. The best coaches have baggage, period. To hell with Petrino. I couldn't give two shits at this point. But we better take the moral blinders off if we ever want to succeed. We will need to take a few risks.
**edit - damnit, making me feel like I'm bashing Cal, which I'm not. But you're really underplaying some of the baggage.
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agreed
so many in this thread have forgotten how he lied to Jurich, he lied to the owner of the Falcons and he lied to his Arkansas bosses
he is a despicable person
i would rather lose every game then have a scumbag like that coaching at UK
some things are far more important then winning a FB game
The NCAA is taking its sweet time.
They won't get what they deserve in my opinion.
The NCAA is a pretty bad joke.
Who knows though. I have no inside information or anything but the rumors are bad and there's an awful lot of investigative agencies looking at various departments of that school, it'll be interesting to see what they dig up.
I mean if they're willing to pick up west side hookers and walk them straight into a dorm to service teenagers as they are alleged to have done, there's really no limit to what might come out.
I was in my early teens during the Hal Mumme era but didn't the NCAA crucify us for the NCAA violations? I have really young for the Sutton era but didn't they do the same there too?
Point being and please correct me if I'm wrong
Sorry for the typo
But it seems like the NCAA hits us harder for things that other places get slapped on the wrist for. Maybe that's another reason they have to be careful on hires. I know Cal was viewed as a risk by some though.
I assume that most of the BP obsession here is from UL fans pretending to be UK fans.
I suspect in the context of message boards that there is little more sad than someone who posts pretending to be a fan of the opposition. I guess I could understand it from a 14 or 15 year old boy who is intimidated by girls and does not have much of a life. But, other than that sad category, I cannot fathom the self loathing that some one must experience to decide to behave such a way, especially for any extended period. It is just sad.
I suspect in the context of message boards that there is little more sad than someone who posts pretending to be a fan of the opposition. I guess I could understand it from a 14 or 15 year old boy who is intimidated by girls and does not have much of a life. But, other than that sad category, I cannot fathom the self loathing that some one must experience to decide to behave such a way, especially for any extended period. It is just sad.
We would be winning with Petrino right now. We will have 25,000 fans with Stoops next game. Trinity StX will out draw our next home game because of Stoops.
you delude yourself. to think this is to think there is some vast difference in the fan bases, that somehow the collective character of one is wholly different than the other. this is completely not true and at the very least requires proof on your part. those coming home from syracuse last nite are not struggling with their baggage to get home. and we will see how sunny the voyage is from ganesville
You continue to try and tie similarities together that aren't alike by associating one word or the slimmest of circumstances . Petrinos baggage or issues is different than anybody you can find , it's absolutely worlds apart from Cals . People realized how ignorant of Cals situation because it happened before Internet was prevalent and you relied on media interpretation , which was jaded . They deployed the same dipshitty tactic you've been using in "well there two vacated f4's" to insinuate that Cal was the source of the problem , details be damned . Petrinos problems are well chronicled and there will be no revelation exhonerating him, he is the direct and only source of his problems . So the baggage talk is bs , nothing alike .
You guys are flat out disingenuous and that's why you would take Petrino . You are not even remotely interested in the truth but only in trying to salvage an Internet discussion at any expense , to hell with logic or the worst comparisons that could be summoned . You wanted Petrino and will say any crazy ass thing to make it seem like the right choice . Tressel is not like Petrino either , stop lumping everybody in with that pos . Tressel got in NCAA issues which is nothing like or has nothing to do with the deceitful loser BP . Tressel didn't abandon a team with a sticky note only to show up at a press conference later , nobody but Bobby does that .
Trying to tie Petrinos problems with anybody else is a fail , you can't whitewash his actions this way . It's Petrino that nobody likes , not everyone who makes a mistake , just that sorry pos . So we don't even need to be concerned about the next time because there's only been one Bobby Petrino . If we hire a fb coach that has had some NCAA troubles or whatever then you won't see the resistance because it is nothing like this situation .
If we had hired Petrino then we would have lost a large number of fans whose pc inspired morals would have been compromised no matter the wins.
Wait a minute that's not bad at all. Quick, before it's too late. Lets hire Briles for the very same reason.
Having character is not PC today. I think you are confusing concepts. And, the idea that people with character need to apologize for that is prevalent on these BP and Briles threads. As an alum and not just a fan, I prefer to have my school represented by those with something more than a pedestrian standard. Many don't care. But, I do and I won't be snarked or belittled into feeling different.
yeah, he's a monster. do they lock him up sun-thurs? they must let him out for his press conferences. amazing isn't it that someone who is as bad as you say he is can function in that role the same as all the other guys in that role elsewhere.
Honest Bobby is a scum bag we need no part of trash like him..if you want to dance with the devil become a Lil Brother..they need your support..Personally i want to have some respect..When you have bottom feeders like Petrino and SEXtino well figure it out..Petrino was blackballed in SEC for lying to Arkansas AD..he will never work anywhere except sewers like uavel..NCAA will hammer uavel over the hooker scandal..When Lamont Jackson gets powdered trying to run up the score..let's hear Bobby's excuse..
I bet you would like to have a 3 way with Petrino and Turtleneck and I don't mean a Skyline Chili...
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if they are as bad as you say why are you not demanding we stop playing them? I mean, playing them legitimizes them and thus, we help enable them by acknowledging them as a valid school entity. how can you support enabling something so evil? you must be of low moral character.Honest Bobby is a scum bag we need no part of trash like him..if you want to dance with the devil become a Lil Brother..they need your support..Personally i want to have some respect..When you have bottom feeders like Petrino and SEXtino well figure it out..Petrino was blackballed in SEC for lying to Arkansas AD..he will never work anywhere except sewers like uavel..NCAA will hammer uavel over the hooker scandal..When Lamont Jackson gets powdered trying to run up the score..let's hear Bobby's excuse..
I'm all for dropping uavel..playing them helps us none..can em don't question my character you dweeb.
If anyone is noticing the headlines of college football today do not include UK football. All the talk this morning is about Jackson and how uofsmell will be in the top four when playoff time comes. I guess Mitch doesn't watch the news. This could have been us!!!!!
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