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Banchero: “Yall think i’m a center?”

Well that is his natural position and the position that he has openly requested to change too in the NBA.


But the point is that's not how K used him for the most part. He has a knack for telling kids what they want to hear as far as his using them & then uses them another way. Also told Carter he would be "the guy" & then later recruited Bagley to reclass. Bagley became "the guy" & was used the way K promised to use Carter.
 
But the point is that's not how K used him for the most part. He has a knack for telling kids what they want to hear as far as his using them & then uses them another way. Also told Carter he would be "the guy" & then later recruited Bagley to reclass. Bagley became "the guy" & was used the way K promised to use Carter.
I do agree with the Wendell example as he was promised to be the "man" and I fully understand if people see that as a bad look for Duke with bringing Marvin in after. But also from a Duke perspective, it's hard to say no if the Number 1 player wants to reclass. I don't remember any other examples of Duke telling players he will use them one way but goes another. Also, other factors can be attributed, such as performance in practice, the ability to adapt to the offense. I do think the Wendell/Bagley situation was a bad look even though they played fairly well together.
 
Both teams had great seasons up until their elite eight losses. They both had good seasons regardless If they made the final 4 or not.

There has never been a team hyped like Duke in ‘19 at least not a Freshmen led team.

Also, a little different situation. Cal in his first season at UK, K in his 100th season at Duke. Cal with a bench full of BCG recruited players. K with all of his own players.
 
Shut up. Can I judge them on the fact neither team improved a lick from November on? Or that without the refs, Zion would have been bounced in the 2nd and 3rd rounds?

Get out of here.
Yet both teams made the elite 8 , had multiple NBA draft picks, had players setting team/conference records, had players winning national acculades and overall had great seasons. Most programs can only dream of that type of stagnation.

The NCAA tournament is a wild card. Too many xfactors to judge a team on it alone.
 
how come it feels like Cal is the only coach paying for a slightly failed recruit (Skal)? What, no other coach ever mishandled one of their 100 some odd players?

All these other coaches, its ths player who messed up. But of course, when it comes to Cal, it was his fault. And now 5 years later, its still some big issue he cant get from out of.. We didnt have a great post presence that year, and we're still trying to win games. Not every player will get exactly what they want. To blame Skal's career woes on one year under Cal is frustrating.
 
how come it feels like Cal is the only coach paying for a slightly failed recruit (Skal)? What, no other coach ever mishandled one of their 100 some odd players?

All these other coaches, its ths player who messed up. But of course, when it comes to Cal, it was his fault. And now 5 years later, its still some big issue he cant get from out of.. We didnt have a great post presence that year, and we're still trying to win games. Not every player will get exactly what they want. To blame Skal's career woes on one year under Cal is frustrating.

I think a lot of it comes back to the negative recruiting that takes place against Cal and UK; it shouldn’t happen, but I understand how it could skew a recruit and their family’s perspective when they hear the same false narrative from multiple parties.

I know the coaching staff works diligently early in recruitments to combat the narrative that stems from Skal, but it can be difficult when they have many different sides working against them.

Not to mention it’s difficult for Cal and the staff to take their shots at others when they refuse to smear other programs or coaches.
 
I think Duke has 3-4 center type guys. Hence he feels he can float around more at Duke. We don’t have many big men signed he might of felt we would keep him on the block.

Yep.

Like those dudes named Karl Anthony-Towns and Anthony Davis.

Sucks they trusted Cal and were developed on the block primarily, went #1 in their respective drafts after Final Four/title seasons, and have become 2 of the top bigs in the league (THE top big in the case of AD).

Poor bastards. Should have chosen the "Brotherhood" over Kentucky. Would have definitely served them better.
 
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Seems like NOBODY will admit to being a center today.

I swear, if Shaq was coming out in 2020, he'd be telling people that he sees himself as a stretch 4.
It’s mostly Kevin Durant’s fault. He’s an all time great but I’ll never forgive him for making every 6’11” 250 lb high schooler think they’re a wing.
 
More of a 3-4 than a 5 imo
In body and skills, Banchero is a 4-5. If he wants to be a perimeter player, so do a lot of other big guys who don't have the mental toughness not to take any possessions off. If Banchero did not think he was a comfortable fit at Kentucky, so be it. Nobody can criticize Cal's effort. Some people get way too upset about what each and every high school player decides.

Cal will sign Hickman and Hopkins. Maybe Sallis. Maybe Hardy. Where the class goes from there is impossible to guess yet, but Cal signs one of the country's top classes every year.

Someone who does not like OAD and wants more players to hang around several years should be happy. It will not make others happy if they need Kentucky to sign four or five of the top 10 players every single year, but that is not a reasonable expectation.
 
My thing is where did it become this notion that UK continues to just park bigs in the paint and sit for 40 mins. Nick Richards took MANY mid range 2’s and showed plenty high post and gave up. He would’ve been given more freedom if he could do more. REID TRAVIS was allowed to take 3’s half the season, PJ WASHINGTON was on the perimeter plenty. That’s what bothers me lowkey. A big should ALWAYS work from inside/out and Cal allows you to do that IF YOU CAN.
If the recruits are told that enough then they start to believe it without researching it for themselves. It’s just that easy
 
Just wait man. If Duke gets Baldwin as they are expected, Banchero becomes their low post presence. They'll have plenty of guards and wings. Then he'll be the next in the line of disgruntled players and ESPN will ignore the complaints.
 
Seems like every wants to play like Bird, Magic, Mash, LeBron, Durant, etc.

Very few can pull it off.

We will see if Banchero can.
 
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But the point is that's not how K used him for the most part. He has a knack for telling kids what they want to hear as far as his using them & then uses them another way. Also told Carter he would be "the guy" & then later recruited Bagley to reclass. Bagley became "the guy" & was used the way K promised to use Carter.
Exactly. It's starting to feel like rat boy will lie cheat and steal to get one more title and then ride off into the sewer. I mean a guy like PJ was brought to UK to make his hay in the post and in year 2 was able to get out on the perimeter and shoot 3s and was successful. Cal isn't going to lie to kids and tell a 4-5 guy that he can play the 2-3. But Cal isn't going to hold a guy back. Even though PJ was deadly inside Cal let him improve and make his game more well rounded by going to the outside shot at times.

It's just hard to believe that guys don't see rat boy for what he is. He is using that LeBron connection like he is the reason LeBron is who he is LMFAO. I don't think he makes another title run. This may be a stretch, but with Gabriel out in Portland, I just wonder if he also talked to Paolo like he did McDaniels. Like I said maybe a stretch, but I just don't get the Paolo thing. UK, TN, and even UW I would have understood. I'm sure he moves into the million-dollar home, but I still don't get that one. He just didn't seem like the type to me.

I feel like the biggest difference with bigs is Cal won't lie to them and rat boy will do whatever he has to.
 
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This may be a stretch, but with Gabriel out in Portland, I just wonder if he also talked to Paolo like he did McDaniels.

LOL. Do you think Seattle and Portland are the same place? You do realize they're in different states, right?

Man, the nutty theories people concoct here.
 
K always does better with a SF at the 4.

Banchero does not have a game like Battier, Singler, or Winslow (won titles).

He is more like a Bagley or a taller, less athletic Williamson (Elite Eight).

I would think Griffin at the 3, Baldwin at the 4, and Banchero at the 5 would be a devastating frontline and one that looks like a K style team.
 
LOL. Do you think Seattle and Portland are the same place? You do realize they're in different states, right?

Man, the nutty theories people concoct here.
Yes, thanks for the geography. I ship to every state almost monthly with my company, but they are West coast and that's why I said very clearly, THIS MAY BE A STRETCH! I would have never guessed the Gabriel-McDaniels thing. I figured this was going to be a UK-TN battle and once again a guy we are good with from Washington doesn't pick us. I know the Gabriel thing probably didn't happen, although not sure if he knows McDaniels with as close as he is to the UW program with both his parents going there so didn't know if something kind of lingered from that.
 
Yep.

Like those dudes named Karl Anthony-Towns and Anthony Davis.

Sucks they trusted Cal and were developed on the block primarily, went #1 in their respective drafts after Final Four/title seasons, and have become 2 of the top bigs in the league (THE top big in the case of AD).

Poor bastards. Should have chosen the "Brotherhood" over Kentucky. Would have definitely served them better.
I wanted the guy here don’t disagree with you but Duke probably fed him this line. Did you see where he said y’all just think I am a center. Duke does have a lot of bigs. We don’t!! I really wanted him here. Duke has been pulling in a lot of 5 stars don’t think K knows how to mold a team of young guys.
 
Would love to have a kid with this skill set but I don't like this attitude. He wants to show his skills more than be a member of a winning team and doing whatever it takes to win, or at least it would seem.
 
Has anyone been able to explain how it is that Duke was able to secure Banchero's commitment (from presumably out of nowhere) when recruiting was very limited--I think communication could only be virtual--if not outright prohibited. I believe it was Shawn Smith from Big Blue Country, who posed this question, and I have yet to hear an answer from anyone.

I think this is why UK appears to have been caught off guard. How does Duke secure a commitment from a kid---when they are not the perceived leader and there was little to no contact allowed? No wonder fans' minds wander towards the nefarious methods Duke has been known to engage in (recruiting wise)--in recent years. Certainly smells rotten. But, with Duke being the apparent victor here---nothing surprises me. Maybe we will get sworn testimony--like Zion---which will show Banchero was improperly induced to commit to Duke. Regardless, the NCAA will do nothing to Duke
 
Has anyone been able to explain how it is that Duke was able to secure Banchero's commitment (from presumably out of nowhere) when recruiting was very limited--I think communication could only be virtual--if not outright prohibited. I believe it was Shawn Smith from Big Blue Country, who posed this question, and I have yet to hear an answer from anyone.

I think this is why UK appears to have been caught off guard. How does Duke secure a commitment from a kid---when they are not the perceived leader and there was little to no contact allowed? No wonder fans' minds wander towards the nefarious methods Duke has been known to engage in (recruiting wise)--in recent years. Certainly smells rotten. But, with Duke being the apparent victor here---nothing surprises me. Maybe we will get sworn testimony--like Zion---which will show Banchero was improperly induced to commit to Duke. Regardless, the NCAA will do nothing to Duke
Allegedly duke assistant Jon S. met with Paolo two weeks ago.....
 
Allegedly duke assistant Jon S. met with Paolo two weeks ago.....

Actually, Banchero has already visited Duke before COVID and has been in contact with Coach K and Jon S. via text and online for a while now. Not sure anyone really knew who was in the lead or not, but Banchero said he would text with Coach K often.
 
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Allegedly, that is what the Duke staff sold him on, and that is the reason he committed. He would work from the high post in college and fluctuate into the low post; but, Duke looking to make him more of a wing who handles the ball was the selling point.
He’s not a wing, and can’t guard 3’s. He’s a 4 or 5.
 
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Actually, Banchero has already visited Duke before COVID and has been in contact with Coach K and Jon S. via text and online for a while now. Not sure anyone really knew who was in the lead or not, but Banchero said he would text with Coach K often.


So. Communication (via text) was so compelling and so moving (with a 70+ yo guy and a dork like John S) that Banchero threw everything to the wind and committed to Duke---outta nowhere---at a bizarre time----? What could those 2 people do to change Banchero's mind? Hard to believe/accept. Further, how did John S. meet with Banchero 2 weeks ago? Personal contact has been prohibited for months. No wonder its hard to accept for UK fans. Just smells dirty. Did he deliver the money? Was this a meeting like with Zion, Bagley, Duval or Cam Reddish? Someone isn't playing by the rules and that is what is the most maddening part of it all!
 
He’s not a wing, and can’t guard 3’s. He’s a 4 or 5.

I agree entirely! It’s a shame they [Duke] would even suggest to him that he would have a role as a primary ball handler.

He won’t play like that in the league, and it could certainly expose his [few] flaws at that position, which could potentially impact his Draft stock negatively.
 
It doesn’t help when the UK media guys keep asking the kid over and over again if he’s a UK lock after he’s answered no more than a few times.
 
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Lots of coaches tell players things to get them to commit... Duke recruited natural 3's and played them at the 4. Players can get touches in all areas in all areas of the floor and be a facilitator of the offense...
Y'all think Cal told players he would play them n platoons when he recruited them that year... it's all part of the game of recruiting
 
I'd still like to know how Duke "communicates" with our #1 recruit in a form of prohibited contact (visited 2 weeks ago)---when no one else got to. How does that work? Kid is in Seattle. Duke is obviously in North Carolina.
 
I agree entirely! It’s a shame they [Duke] would even suggest to him that he would have a role as a primary ball handler.

He won’t play like that in the league, and it could certainly expose his [few] flaws at that position, which could potentially impact his Draft stock negatively.
the next Jahlil Oakfor
 
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Has anyone been able to explain how it is that Duke was able to secure Banchero's commitment (from presumably out of nowhere) when recruiting was very limited--I think communication could only be virtual--if not outright prohibited. I believe it was Shawn Smith from Big Blue Country, who posed this question, and I have yet to hear an answer from anyone.

I think this is why UK appears to have been caught off guard. How does Duke secure a commitment from a kid---when they are not the perceived leader and there was little to no contact allowed? No wonder fans' minds wander towards the nefarious methods Duke has been known to engage in (recruiting wise)--in recent years. Certainly smells rotten. But, with Duke being the apparent victor here---nothing surprises me. Maybe we will get sworn testimony--like Zion---which will show Banchero was improperly induced to commit to Duke. Regardless, the NCAA will do nothing to Duke

There's almost a dozen fishy things about this.. maybe more. Why would a top5 recruit even make this choice now.. with next season in doubt.. with a G-league offer on the horizon? Makes zero sense to commit this early, and out of no where. A guy like Banchero should have waited closer to the end to see all the cards on the table.

Maybe a reclass to this year is what Duke sold him on? I don't know what PB's reclass standings are, but that would actually make sense. Go to Duke for a few months.. might not even have a season to play in.. then right to the draft. I can see that, that makes some sense.
 
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There's almost a dozen fishy things about this.. maybe more. Why would a top5 recruit even make this choice now.. with next season in doubt.. with a G-league offer on the horizon? Makes zero sense to commit this early, and out of no where. A guy like Banchero should have waited closer to the end to see all the cards on the table.

Maybe a reclass to this year is what Duke sold him on? I don't know what PB's reclass standings are, but that would actually make sense. Go to Duke for a few months.. might not even have a season to play in.. then right to the draft. I can see that, that makes some sense.
this is what i’ve been saying “i wanna take all my visits” and then he commits out of the blue after a duke assistant (Jon S.) met with him, isn’t it weird JS is pulling in these recruits and is all of a sudden a ace recruiter? sounds like to me he’s the bag man.
 
..but if he stays in 2021, that's an awful long time from now. The G-League is going to offer him several hundred thousand to play on their select team. I truly don't trust the top5 or top10 to go the college route anymore, whether they are our guys, Duke's or someone else's. I think you can expect a handful of them to opt for the G-league route.

Cal being forced to go deeper into the class, might not be by design, but it does have it's benefits. Those guys are not going to be G-league worthy, and they offer a fairly high chance to be 2-year players. It's like taking a few steps back to hit a 3-pointer, as opposed to a long 2. You might miss (and the 30th ranked player is 1AD), but if you make it, it pays off.
 
It doesn’t help when the UK media guys keep asking the kid over and over again if he’s a UK lock after he’s answered no more than a few times.

True, that could certainly hurt them.

But, it’s hard not to do that when the kid was going around telling people he was going to UK and [allegedly] had told the staff the same thing.

I’m sure the emotion of it all played a factor into that. But, you can understand why the media would be asking those questions.
 
The next phase of K's cheating, is to use his connections to halt G-league offers to HIS recruits, and instead push them towards our guys. I can see it now. We lose the 24th ranked raw bigman to the G-league.. but Duke holds onto the next Lebron because, some shit about "brotherhood". Then we will hear about how great of character those Duke guys are. They just want to win one for their coach who has been on his retirement run for 7 years now.
 
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