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At What Point Can You Criticize Cal?

Just because most on this board are afraid to say what others not wearing Kentucky blue clearly saw, doesn't change the facts. Instead of attempting to be insulting, debate the substance of the post. That won't happen because there isn't anything that I posted that isn't true.
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Just because most on this board are afraid to say what others not wearing Kentucky blue clearly saw, doesn't change the facts. Instead of attempting to be insulting, debate the substance of the post. That won't happen because there isn't anything that I posted that isn't true.
As mentioned, Cal tried about a thousand different lineup combinations and the lead was consistently 10 points. Even played zone for a bit. Kinda hard to do much more when you're handcuffed by foul trouble, injury or players who aren't fighting as hard as they should.
 
Cal may be stubborn in some cases, but he is not at fault for tonight's loss. Not even close.

I think it is unfair to say it is he fault that the team lost. However, it isn't unfair to say that he didn't make some adjustments such as putting some shooters on the floor in an attempt to pull their defenders out of the paint.
 
As mentioned, Cal tried about a thousand different lineup combinations and the lead was consistently 10 points. Even played zone for a bit. Kinda hard to do much more when you're handcuffed by foul trouble, injury or players who aren't fighting as hard as they should.

None of the lineup changes placed Willis on the floor when it mattered or placed Mulder on the court who is supposed to the teams best shooter.
 
Just because most on this board are afraid to say what others not wearing Kentucky blue clearly saw, doesn't change the facts. Instead of attempting to be insulting, debate the substance of the post. That won't happen because there isn't anything that I posted that isn't true.

Again use your DVR, he changed lineups over and over. It's there if you can get over your disappoints.
 
I've been thinking.....No other coach has had this kind of talent the past 5 years. Where are the titles? Do you think Coach K, Tom Izzo, Billy Donovan, etc. would not have won more titles than Cal with this amount of talent?

At som point, you have to question his coaching.

Am I wrong?

Your boy Izzo has a worst FF record than Cal, 1-7 to 1-6. K was 0-4 in his first 4 FFs. Get a grip.
 
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None of the lineup changes placed Willis on the floor when it mattered or placed Mulder on the court who is supposed to the teams best shooter.

I would think after all of the games we have played that the rumor that Mulder is the best we have isn't true at this point of the season. Stick to the facts, we also are not a great outside shooting team yet either.
 
Again use your DVR, he changed lineups over and over. It's there if you can get over your disappoints.

I don't disagree that he cycled the same players in and out every other play. However, he didn't put his best shooters on the floor when it mattered or at all: Willis and Mulder.
 
We now have a Head Coach that has taken us to the FInal Four 4 times out of 6 years with 1 National Championship. I don't believe some of you fans were here before Coach Cal arrived in Lexington, Ky. We had 1 Head Coach that we were lucky getting 4 star talent and was missing out on the Tourney or going to the NIT. The one before that was here for 10 yrs and his last 3-4 years our recruiting was terrible and was bringing in most 3 star talent and losing double digit seasons in last 3 or 4 years and being seeded #8 or #9 in Tourney. We now have a Head Coach that has given us 5 or 6 years of #1 or #2 Recruiting in the NCAA and given us 4 out of 6 Final Fours and a Nat. Champ. in those 6 years. Those were the times before Coach Cal arrived here in Lexington that we knew we would be out of NCAA Tourney in 1st or 2nd Round and our Recruiting had went down so bad in those last 4 or 5 years we knew a 3 or 4 Star player was good for these Coaches back then and our talent had went down so far that I didn't enjoy watching or even getting on here to discuss UK basketball. I believe there many Fans on here that knows what I am saying and it was horrible back then. Coach Cal has UK back where we belong in College Basketball sitting at the top year in and year out each year. Coach Cal will have us right there again as we approach SEC play and March Madness .
 
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None of the lineup changes placed Willis on the floor when it mattered or placed Mulder on the court who is supposed to the teams best shooter.
Willis played 12 minutes in the second half. I imagine that was a career high for him in a second half, or close to it. Can't speak for Mulder but he has looked disappointing in the little bit we've seen of him; far from a deadeye shooter.
 
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I don't disagree that he cycled the same players in and out every other play. However, he didn't put his best shooters on the floor when it mattered or at all: Willis and Mulder.

Willis played plenty, and he is NOT our best shooter. Mulder can't earn PT. I want to see him play too, but I trust Cal that he isn't ready, unlike you who thinks everything Cal does is wrong.
 
None of the lineup changes placed Willis on the floor when it mattered or placed Mulder on the court who is supposed to the teams best shooter.
He gave Willis far more minutes than in any of the last 6 games, and he played well, but went 1-4 from 3.

Mulder can't play defense at all - Cal has given him 14 minutes all season, and he's taken 1 three and has made 0.

Not sure what else can be expected.
 
I don't disagree that he cycled the same players in and out every other play. However, he didn't put his best shooters on the floor when it mattered or at all: Willis and Mulder.

Again, if you look at the actual stats, your statement of best shooters is not true. Just because they killed it in pre season practices doesn't make them the best if they don't do it when the lights come on.
 
I've been thinking.....No other coach has had this kind of talent the past 5 years. Where are the titles? Do you think Coach K, Tom Izzo, Billy Donovan, etc. would not have won more titles than Cal with this amount of talent?

At som point, you have to question his coaching.

Am I wrong?

At what point can you expect such a ridiculous opinion not to be exposed for being pathetic?

Answer: Never.
 
Great post Dave. Some "fans" are only happy with a title every year. Those are the ones that guys like Wilbon cites when he criticizes our fanbase. Coaches like K, Rupp and Wooden don't come around very often. Most coaches can't get the talent, or they can't coach. Cal can do both, but since he isn't perfect, some fans can't accept it.
 
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I would think after all of the games we have played that the rumor that Mulder is the best we have isn't true at this point of the season. Stick to the facts, we also are not a great outside shooting team yet either.

What facts are you talking about? (Fact) Mulder didn't get on the court. (Opinion) "rumor that Mulder is the best we have isn't true at this point of the season." Since nothing else was working, why not give Mulder a shot? When things aren't going your way and there is no reason to believe things will change if you stay on script, you have to be willing to go off script.
 
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I don't disagree that he cycled the same players in and out every other play. However, he didn't put his best shooters on the floor when it mattered or at all: Willis and Mulder.

I trust Cals judgement over yours. If Cal thought they would have helped he would have put them in. Cal isn't an idiot.
 
Call me crazy but shouldn't this post be asked after the LAST game of a season?

Absolutely true. Cal's coaching got us to 38-0 and another Final Four. His coaching also cost us a championship during the last few minutes of the Wisky game. Take the good and bad. At least we had a shot....
 
What facts are you talking about? (Fact) Mulder didn't get on the court. (Opinion) "rumor that Mulder is the best we have isn't true at this point of the season." Since nothing else was working, why not giving Mulder a shot?

If Mulder isn't hitting in practice why play him? In your reasoning why not play the walkon if nothing else is working. Sometimes you have poor games but I'm beginning to see your only agenda, bashing Cal. Nice talking to you.
 
If Mulder isn't hitting in practice why play him? In your reasoning why not play the walkon if nothing else is working. Sometimes you have poor games but I'm beginning to see your only agenda, bashing Cal. Nice talking to you.

That's always been his agenda. Only posts when we play badly and always bashes Cal.
 
I thought it was a legitimate question to ask if some other great coaches would have done better with the talent we've had....

No question, Cal is absolute best recruiter and that has gotten us to Final Fours. I'm just asking if he should have another title by now. No need to go ballistic over this question.
 
If Mulder isn't hitting in practice why play him? In your reasoning why not play the walkon if nothing else is working. Sometimes you have poor games but I'm beginning to see your only agenda, bashing Cal. Nice talking to you.

When you have no reasonable response/defense, there is always the "bashing Cal" card to pull. If asking why we didn't use our full complement of reasonable resources in this game is bashing, well I guess I am bashing. However, if your use of the "bashing Cal" card is to silence the asking of reasonable questions, nice try but you failed
 
I don't disagree that he cycled the same players in and out every other play. However, he didn't put his best shooters on the floor when it mattered or at all: Willis and Mulder.
Willis hasn't been able to hit the red side of a barn in the past 3-4 games.. And I've saw nothing out of Mulder any this year in his limited playing time.. Hard to put someone in with about zero college experience and expect Stephen Curry..
 
If you played him and he didn't score, it wouldn't have been any worse than the players that were on the floor and at least he showed earlier in the season that he could hit the shot w
Willis hasn't been able to hit the red side of a barn in the past 3-4 games.. And I've saw nothing out of Mulder any this year in his limited playing time.. Hard to put someone in with about zero college experience and expect Stephen Curry..

If Cal played Willis and he didn't score, it wouldn't have been any worse than the players on the court. He showed earlier in the season that he could make the shot which is more than anyone else not named Murray or Ulis has done this season. If you don't play Mulder, you will never know what you have. At least with him, we know that he has well established history of making the 3 ball.
 
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Criticize him all you want, it just makes you look dumb. The problem with you guys is that you tend to think UK is the only talented team out there. They're not, other teams, especially like UCLA who are playing all 4 or 5 star players can beat you.
 
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You have come to the wrong site if you are expecting posters to give a fair critique of Cal. No second half adjustments on offense, defense or players on the court is all that needs to be said.

A fair critique? You call that a fair critique. Most of the posters that constantly criticize Cal wouldn't know a fair critique if it hit them in the face. I can stand constructive criticism all damn day but what I can't stand are these dumbass blast fest that occur every time we lose. Sadly, sometimes when we win. I don't know when some of you people are going to realize that basketball is NOT perfect. We traveled across the country, lost a very important starter to injury, had another starter playing hurt, and laid an egg with a extremely young team. Not to mention the other team played out their ass and hit everything they threw up. Guess what? It happens people! It's not the end of the world and it will better this team in the long run. Some of you have such short memories that you forget where we were before Cal. Yet, you constantly act as though it's not good enough. If it's not and you just want to criticize all day, go root for someone else. I'm serious too. I get so damn sick and tired of the same posters whining over everything. It's like you just sit there and hope for something to go wrong, just so you can say....I don't ya so! It's so pathetic.

It's always a telling sign when you have CUTNETS and UL fans liking your posts.

A fair critique? LMFAO!!! That's hilarious.
 
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If you played him and he didn't score, it wouldn't have been any worse than the players that were on the floor and at least he showed earlier in the season that he could hit the shot w


If Cal played Willis and he didn't score, it wouldn't have been any worse than the players on the court. He showed earlier in the season that he could make the shot which is more than anyone else not named Murray or Ulis has done this season. If you don't play Mulder, you will never know what you have. At least with him, we know that he has well established history of making the 3 ball.
Your editing skills suck,, lol.. Or whatever you attempted to do?
 
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I thought it was a legitimate question to ask if some other great coaches would have done better with the talent we've had....

No question, Cal is absolute best recruiter and that has gotten us to Final Fours. I'm just asking if he should have another title by now. No need to go ballistic over this question.
Fine. I'll humor you. Now you'll owe it to everyone else to dedicate the rest of your forum life to killing this idiotic meme that Cal isn't a great X and O coach:


So let's try to answer your question with apples to apples - Cal has averaged 6 five stars per roster in his time at UK.

K (GOAT) has averaged the same number of five stars over that time. They have been by far the best two coaches in the last 6 years.

Self (HOFer) has averaged ~5 five stars per roster, and Cal has blown him out of the water.

Roy (HOFer) has averaged about the same, and Cal has blown him out of the water.

Miller, Donovan, Matta, Boeheim have averaged closer to 4, and Cal has blown them out of the water.


Izzo and Bo have less than the above guys, and are great coaches, but their records aren't even in the same universe as Cal over that time - neither the recruiting nor the results are comparable.


Pitino is the one coach who has far less talent than Cal and has performed even in the same universe. And I'm being generous by saying in the same universe, cuz he's 1-7 against Cal, including two huge tourney knockouts.



So, to summarize, the HOFers who've had comparable talent to Cal (not by recruiting every year, but by actually holding on to their 5 stars between seasons) are all blown out by Cal, except K, who is about even with Cal, and who has equal talent, and is the GOAT.

And nobody else is close at all, in either talent or results.
 
Fine. I'll humor you. Now you'll owe it to everyone else to dedicate the rest of your forum life to killing this idiotic meme that Cal isn't a great X and O coach:


So let's try to answer your question with apples to apples - Cal has averaged 6 five stars per roster in his time at UK.

K (GOAT) has averaged the same number of five stars over that time. They have been by far the best two coaches in the last 6 years.

Self (HOFer) has averaged ~5 five stars per roster, and Cal has blown him out of the water.

Roy (HOFer) has averaged about the same, and Cal has blown him out of the water.

Miller, Donovan, Matta, Boeheim have averaged closer to 4, and Cal has blown them out of the water.


Izzo and Bo have less than the above guys, and are great coaches, but their records aren't even in the same universe as Cal over that time - neither the recruiting nor the results are comparable.


Pitino is the one coach who has far less talent than Cal and has performed even in the same universe. And I'm being generous by saying in the same universe, cuz he's 1-7 against Cal, including two huge tourney knockouts.



So, to summarize, the HOFers who've had comparable talent to Cal (not by recruiting every year, but by actually holding on to their 5 stars between seasons) are all blown out by Cal, except K, who is about even with Cal, and who has equal talent, and is the GOAT.

And nobody else is close at all, in either talent or results.
Boom. Also, funny you should mention Coach K. I seem to remember Cal beating K not even what, 3 weeks ago? Why didn't Coach K adjust and beat Calipari? After all, basketball is played on paper and the best coaches should always win every game right?
 
Boom. Also, funny you should mention Coach K. I seem to remember Cal beating K not even what, 3 weeks ago? Why didn't Coach K adjust and beat Calipari? After all, basketball is played on paper and the best coaches should always win every game right?
Except when Rick loses to Cal. That is because Cal cheats and also because Rick treats that game like any other noncon but it's Cal's super bowl.

And he also cheated somehow too when he beat Rick coaching the GOAT '96 Wildcats by double digits with two high major recruits and a bunch of no name Latino kids from Massachusetts.
 
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Great post Dave. Some "fans" are only happy with a title every year. Those are the ones that guys like Wilbon cites when he criticizes our fanbase. Coaches like K, Rupp and Wooden don't come around very often. Most coaches can't get the talent, or they can't coach. Cal can do both, but since he isn't perfect, some fans can't accept it.

It' the people who base their self-worth on the performance of this basketball program. It's kind of sad. And it's the same meltdown after every loss. Faarrr the coach, the players suck, etc, etc.
 
I've been thinking.....No other coach has had this kind of talent the past 5 years. Where are the titles? Do you think Coach K, Tom Izzo, Billy Donovan, etc. would not have won more titles than Cal with this amount of talent?

At som point, you have to question his coaching.

Am I wrong?
You are wrong? Yep! But at som point you might be even more wrong... Yep!
 
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I've been thinking.....No other coach has had this kind of talent the past 5 years. Where are the titles? Do you think Coach K, Tom Izzo, Billy Donovan, etc. would not have won more titles than Cal with this amount of talent?

At som point, you have to question his coaching.

Am I wrong?

Funny all I heard was BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH......
First regular season loss in 38 games, come on man!!! You can criticize the way players and the coach performs game to game its a free country but how can you possibly criticize the body of work?!?!
 
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