IMO many underestimate the quality of players we have on the DL. A young player that can come in occasionally and hold their on giving the starter rest is critical in the SEC. If Silver can help, as a young player this year, it's a blessing come the 4th quarter. The fresher you are in the trenches the better, especially at the end of the 4th quarter. The only problem with Deone last year was his conditioning, otherwise he was a beast. When you carry that much weight, at their young age, it takes a lot of time to get in great shape. I thinkb you'll see great improvement in that category for all our second year and above players. I trust our coaches to identify and get the best out of the talent they have.
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This feels to me like we still refuse to understand NIL. Winks and nods go a long way when everyone plays the game.
Explanation is correct, just not reality of what is actually taking place with NIL, recruiting, and the Transfer Portal.
In your opinion. All of us are entitled to our opinions. But we should not state an opinion as fact unless we have direct evidence. There has always been cheating in college athletics, and there are good reasons why athletics departments like TN, LSU, AU, KS, SoCal, and UL are almost constantly in trouble. But I have not seen any evidence yet that NIL is making this particular aspect worse. There are serious conceptual and managerial problems with current NIL rules, and Coach Stoops has been very transparent when he says these rules are unsustainable. But I have not yet seen any direct evidence that contradicts the reality and accuracy of Deeefense's explanation. If such direct evidence exists, I am fairly certain I will be among the first here to see and recognize it.
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Quick scan of this vid shows Jefferson and Wilcox taking hits with no restrictions. Good to see.
Personally I've just always had a good feeling about Silver. Not just his former hs recruiting rankings, but that Mark Stoops hits on portal transfers. Hits in that he brings in guys who start & help us win. North Carolina defensive coaching is beyond pathetic. i bet he learned more good techniques in 1 spring with Brad White & Stewart than 2 yrs with Gene Chizik.
If you really believe that you either work for MB or the NCAA, or you're just not looking.
It is out in the open for everyone to see. Some just want to act like it is not happening for some strange reason????? But it is.
I know how NIL works. If you all don’t think coaches at every college are directing which players the NIL orgs give money to then you all need to get your head out of the sand.
For clarity, I know and I knew that what he said is technically correct. My question was about the feeling I got that he thinks schools actually follow these rules.
They are so easy to get around its pathetic but that was always waiting inside Pandoras box. Certain schools will simply go around the rules whenever they want. As I said, all it takes is a wink and nod from a program to certain boosters then they'll do the heavy lifting.
Just the change in the transfer portal usage since NIL should make things pretty obvious.
I feel many of our fans are vastly underating how effective Davis will be for us. The only real SEC 1A back we have. He stays healthy he will BE our guy at running back IMO
Several of us have addressed this. While evidently still not very well understood on the board, schools still cannot pay players. This has nothing to do with NIL.
"Getting around it" is unnecessary (and irrelevant) with regard to NIL because NIL legally allows for private money to be given to athletes in return for use of their names, images, and likenesses.
Personally, I happen to be in the cynical camp that believes TN, AU, LSU, Clemson, Miami, TX, SoCal, UL, and a pretty good number of other schools have been cheating all along. But NIL is not cheating.
NIL exists because liberal courts have ruled against the NCAA in civil lawsuits brought by players. NIL is a new system of corporate and civilian participation rules that, at the most fundamental level, fit with the current appetite in the country and the liberal courts for redistribution of wealth. If you doubt this, look at the gigantic size of punitive damage awards being given out across the counrty by juries to plaintiffs in civil cases where factual culpability of defendants may not necessarily be objectively clear. There is no reason for schools to wink and nod, because NIL is legal. Winking and noddding by the school, by any practical use of that term, is still not legal. So schools have no reason to break the NIL rule by getting involved. Private money is being delivered to the players without any practical necessity for schools to violate any rules. I agree with Coach Stoops that the current NIL rules are unsustainable, but that is another discussion.
There are a lot of misconceptions about this, and there are posters on this board who insist it is simple without actually understanding what it does and does not entail. But that's pretty much true of every new rule and development, so it's all good.
If you think coaches and therefore schools are not engaged in the NIL process of determining who gets what money there is no amount of facts that will change your opinion because you obviously WANT to believe you know all the answers and others are just not smart enough to understand what you know to be the truth. Your truth.
You might want to take a peak outside your little bubble. There is reality all around your world.
The Missouri HS coach of the 5 star player who just committed to MO over TN and OK publicly stated that all three SCHOOLS offered the kid very similar NIL deals to sign with them as a HS RECRUIT........
Don't twist my words. Believe whatever you want. But it is your opinion. I already told you that I fall into the cynical camp that believes cheating has been going on for the better part of a century. I attempted to explain NIL in a civil fashion. I don't make this stuff up, and I don't come here to argue. At the end of the day, you get it or else you don't. It's all good. But vent your anger in a different direction, and stop pretending you understand more than the rest of the board does. Your comment says you don't.
This is one of the deepest UK DLs I can remember. Every year, younger players have to prove themselves before most of us know very much about them. But we will have guys redshirting this year who would have been thrown into the fray in most previous years. I believe DW will be an All American this year.
Not angry at all. You seem upset. Just going to leave this quote from the 5 star and then I am through with this conversation.
“NIL it’s a lot that goes into it,” Nwaneri said. “I try not to get distracted by it but you have to take it into account. Some of these programs, it’s a lot of money they’re talking about. You have to take it into account but I’m not making my decision based and that but you definitely have to take it into consideration. It’s going to play a factor but it’s not the main thing."
This issue seems very personal for you for some reason. It is what it is. Like CMS said publicly in his press conference. You can ignore it and be left behind or you can engage it and try to keep up with the other SEC schools.
Have a good day, sir.
LOL. It obviously isn't personal to me, but you are certainly trying your best to make it personal. The rules are available online. It's an imperfect world. Good day.
For sure. Davis is one of four returning SEC RBs who rushed for >1,000 yards in 2022. He can catch too. I saw him take over the UK-Vandy game, so I believe my own eyes. If he stays healthy, he will be a huge part of our offense. My only caveat is that I also have faith in several other UK RBs. Given what he accomplished at Vandy, I feel the southern sports media has largely overlooked him. Davis has a real chance for a remarkable senior season here.
We are obviously talking about two entirely different things.
You are quoting the " rules" of NIL and I am discussing the "reality" of NIL for the big time programs who use it as a recruiting tool.
Unfortunately rules mean nothing where big money is involved.
Thanks for helping me understand where you were coming from.
You are discussing your opinion. Some people mistakenly assume their opinions necessarily must be reality. It just has to be. There can't be any other point of view. Attack! The wisest are always looking for more information and perspective. I haven't explained "where I am coming from". You are just determined to personalize this. It's sports, and I know the difference between rules and the ways of the monetized world. For you to suggest otherwise without actually knowing is a window into your id. So I understand where you are coming from now. It's all okay though. Just let everyone get back to the subject of the thread, and try to restrain yourself from personally insulting your fellow UK fans without a reason. Good day. Again.
Several have also repeatedly addressed the fact that NIL is the result of legislatures and not “liberal courts.”
It would seem to me that if you’re going to criticize other UK fans on the grounds that you believe they are asserting opinions as facts, then you should also hold yourself to that same standard and make sure you have your own facts straight.
Would you agree that’s fair?
You’re a good poster who, more often than not, adds a tremendous amount of value to this board when you post, but I think you could ease up a bit on people here. For whatever that’s worth.
Yes, that is fair. But let's cut to the chase. Again, I didn't set out to criticize anyone. That is just your misinterpretation. I described NIL and got ambushed. You may not believe I have a right to respond to an unprovoked personal attack, but that would just be your "opinion".
So - the facts. That's what you want? I never suggested legislatures have not tried to get involved in this. Some legislatures have. But these legislative actions are responsive to the original impetus in case law from civil court litigations. The courts decided that "amateur" athletes cannot be restricted from marketing and taking in revenue from their names, images, and likenesses. If the word "liberal" offends your political senses, that is obtuse to the matter itself but I regret that. The word liberal is used as a polarizing term in contemporary parlayance, but it actually describes a prevalent political doctrine that supports wealth redistribution. I do not consider myself liberal, but people have a right to be liberal if they want. FWIW, I am not a Republican (just an observer, commenter, and independent voter). And you could easily have found these links yourself before posting what you posted. I don't have any problem defending a factual basis for what I post. But all of this is freely available to the public, and there is plenty more out there where this comes from.
lawinsport.com/topics/item/your-full-review-of-the-o-bannon-v-ncaa-judgment
natlawreview.com/article/hits-keep-coming-ncaa-loses-another-name-image-and-likeness-court-decision
natlawreview.com/article/intersection-retail-and-nil-statutes
newsobserver.com/sports/college/article261258752.html
espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31740112/rule-changes-mean-athletes-schools-more
Facts.
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Yet another unprovoked personal attack. This is how some people behave when they just have an impulsive need to post but don't have anything productive to contribute. Leaving no question here about your level of maturity.
Legislatures got involved because the courts were not going to force the NCAA to allow NIL.
In the Alston case, the Supreme Court explicitly stated that the courts were going to continue allowing the NCAA to prohibit NIL. That is a fact and I suggest you actually read Gorsuch’s opinion from that case.
The courts are not why NIL exists. NIL exists because California passed legislation which triggered an onslaught of similar bills in other states.
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California certainly was an instigator; however, Justice Kavanaugh’s concurring opinion in Alston was also a powerful factor, if not the tipping point. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch are rarely confused as “liberal” Justices, so I don’t know if Rembrandt is referencing that case.
Many states had legislation pending or already passed before the Supreme Court issued their ruling on Alston. California signed their bill into law in 2019, which was before the Supreme Court even agreed to hear the Alston case. NIL had nothing to do with Alston, as those wheels were already turning long before the Supreme Court got involved,
Further, Judge Wilken (district judge) was explicit in her ruling in the Alston case that it only applied to NCAA mandated limits on education related benefits. It did not apply to NIL and she stated the NCAA and conferences were free to continue prohibiting NIL payments.
During oral arguments, the NCAA offered the standard parade of horribles when arguing their side, arguing that a judgement in favor of Alston would mean that all amateurism rules would be abolished. Gorsuch was quick to remind them that the Alston ruling was narrow, and that the NCAA was free to continue prohibiting things like NIL. Regardless, over a dozen states had NIL laws by that point.
Repeatedly, courts have issued rulings that allowed the NCAA to continue prohibiting NIL, which is why the legislatures got involved.
It is simply not accurate to say that NIL is the result of the courts. NIL exists solely because state legislatures took action when it was clear that the courts would not.
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Todays defense interviews (on KSR) with Nick interviewing J. Dinkins (Spider). You got to love that guy. He has a rather big speech impediment and to do interviews and such and be doing what he is doing and not in a shell. I played Dline back about 50 years ago. I always am drawn to that position most of all. It takes someone special to play at any SEC school (including Vandy) at any level of the defense. It takes so much hard work, so much of your time and emotional energy. J Dink is a great story. Deone is one of my favorite but I am pulling for this guy most of all! Hope Stoops is right and he has a huge year. Sanders as well. We got some bid dogs on the DLINE!!!
Cali’s law was entered but did not take effect. The NCAA had not acquiesced to the law or the idea. Kavanaugh sent the message that the NCAA should not fight it. His intent was clear.
The NCAA acquiesced when they saw their state lobbying efforts were bearing no fruit and when Florida passed their NIL law in 2020 (year before Kavanaugh weighed in).
Prior to Florida, there was hope within the NCAA that they could stall other state laws and then mount a Commerce Clause challenge to the California law (and later the Colorado law). Those laws were not originally going to go into effect until 2023, so they thought they had sufficient time to prepare.
Florida blew those plans up in June 2020 when they passed their law with an effective date of July 1, 2021. That ended up rapidly accelerating legislative efforts in other states and made the NCAA’s Commerce Clause strategy untenable.
It was at that point the NCAA threw in the towel and switched to a Hail Mary strategy where they were lobbying Congress in hopes of getting a federal law passed. When the NCAA received no traction with Congress, they knew this was a losing battle.
The NIL fight was effectively surrendered long before Kavanaugh weighed in, and his words had no bearing on that decision by the NCAA.
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Which cases were directly on point regarding NIL? Wilkens ruling didn't strike down NIL, it was simply not on point. Isnt that correct? I'm struggling to find a court ruling which was on point with NIL.
If thats true of course the rulings allowed NIL to be banned as no decision had been given on NIL. That brings us back to Kavanaugh who was quite clear about how a case on NIL would be viewed.
NIL was at the heart of the O’Bannon case. Judge Wilken found that NCAA rules prohibiting NIL violated antitrust law, but stopped short of requiring the NCAA to abandon those rules entirely. Instead, she allowed the NCAA’s NIL rules to stand and ordered two things as remedy:
- NCAA must remove rules prohibiting schools from offering the full cost of attendance
- Schools must hold up to $5,000 in deferred compensation for use of a student athlete’s NIL that would be paid once they graduated
The O’Bannon outcome is the key driver that prompted the legislative efforts in the first place, and those efforts were already successful before Kavanaugh issued his opinion.
The NCAA had already conceded NIL by the time of the Alston ruling and Kavanaugh’s opinion didn’t change anything with respect to NIL. What the NCAA and the schools were scared about in Kavanaugh’s opinion is the potential impact to NCAA rules prohibiting schools from directly paying athletes. That’s what scared them. In terms of NIL, the outcome would’ve been exactly the same even if Kavanaugh had declined to write a concurring opinion.
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BACK TO PRACTICE AND 2023 SEASON PREP DISCUSSION
sounds like our RT position is still unsolved. We have 2 guys who do 1 aspect of the job well, but not both. Flax is great at run blocking, plowing forward, but isn't agile enough in space to block DE's. Ford is athletic and flexible enough to pass block well, but hasn't the girth or strength to run blockt effectively.
IMO Flax starts, but Ford subs in frequently
sounds like our RT position is still unsolved. We have 2 guys who do 1 aspect of the job well, but not both. Flax is great at run blocking, plowing forward, but isn't agile enough in space to block DE's. Ford is athletic and flexible enough to pass block well, but hasn't the girth or strength to run blockt effectively.
IMO Flax starts, but Ford subs in frequently
Not sure about Ford's strength level or technique, but at 6'6 315 lbs, it seems he doesn't lack the girth to do it.
It might have been culture and fit. The west coast isn't for everyone. He might have just felt way out of sorts and needed a place that had biscuits and gravy and sweet tea. Once he gets settled he might just get comfortable.
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