Archie Miller says

[loucatfan]

I thought the games at freedom hall and in Indy against IU where we each got fifty per cent of the tickets were some of the best sporting events I have had ver attended. If it is renewed I hope it s renewed lik that rather than home and home.

If UL would do the right thing and redo the Yum lease to make it attractive financially for UK to play two games a year at Yum I would include possible games against Notre Dame and Kansas as we used to also do at Freedom Hall.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

They've asked for the series to be in Indianapolis since knight. We offer that and they say no for publicity. It backfired on them and Archie just has to deal with that. He needs kentucky, it's not the other way around.

Screw it, don't even consider it

Exactly. No need to give them any help trying to revive that program. It has no benefit at all to us

 

[preacherfan]

One of the biggest mistakes UK ever did was give UNC a game when they were coming off of probation and other issues Dean Smyth begged. Rupp gave them a shot and they cheated ever since. We should let IU continue to struggle in mediocrity.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

If they want to play us so bad they can sign a multi-year deal with games at Rupp like any other mid-major. I'm ok with that.

 

[rbky53]

Hell to the no

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

I think the point is whenever they play a blueblood like uk, on the national stage, it only helps them in their effort to regain relevance, publicizing their brand and aiding their recruiting. screw 'em, let's start a rivalry with somebody else.

Same with ucla, i hated it when we started playing them, the team we are chasing for most nc's.

jmdao

Well put. Not only that, the SEC is coming strong with more and more strong coaches joining. Primarily freshmen going up against the Kansas's, Duke's, NC's, MI ST's, UL's, UCLA's, etc etc....along with a stronger up and coming SEC.... always being put in the toughest brackets in the NCAA tournament....battleing rogue refs off and on during the season....Cal doesn't need to have to deal with probably the most classless fans there is. Cal doesn't need another high profile game made for the media. Would love to drop UL for a lot of those reasons but especially for Jurich. Very bothersome knowing we are helping that miser every year.

 

[BaronReborn84]

UK doesn't need Indiana, Indiana needs UK. Simple as that really.

 

[ok-cats-computer]

I thought the games at freedom hall and in Indy against IU where we each got fifty per cent of the tickets were some of the best sporting events I have had ver attended. If it is renewed I hope it s renewed lik that rather than home and home.

If UL would do the right thing and redo the Yum lease to make it attractive financially for UK to play two games a year at Yum I would include possible games against Notre Dame and Kansas as we used to also do at Freedom Hall.

I went to one of those games in Freedom Hall, and it was a blast. I went to the game where we beat IU and Bobby Knight for the fifth time in a row, and I got to see this dunk live:

 

[blubo]

Well put. Not only that, the SEC is coming strong with more and more strong coaches joining. Primarily freshmen going up against the Kansas's, Duke's, NC's, MI ST's, UL's, UCLA's, etc etc....along with a stronger up and coming SEC.... always being put in the toughest brackets in the NCAA tournament....battleing rogue refs off and on during the season....Cal doesn't need to have to deal with probably the most classless fans there is. Cal doesn't need another high profile game made for the media. Would love to drop UL for a lot of those reasons but especially for Jurich. Very bothersome knowing we are helping that miser every year.

I would like to drop ul also, regardless of what their idiot fanbase or anyone else thought about it.
I might be in the minority in my thinking, but i feel that our rivalry with the turdinals has run it's course.

I'd like to see ul dropped from our schedule and start a series with a neighboring state school like wva, oh st, or even butler. i think rivalries can become stale after so many years. at least discontinue and maybe pick them back up sometime in the future.

And yes, having said that, i always enjoy uk beating their asses.

 

[bucsrule8872]

I would like to drop ul also, regardless of what their idiot fanbase or anyone else thought about it.
I might be in the minority in my thinking, but i feel that our rivalry with the turdinals has run it's course.

I'd like to see ul dropped from our schedule and start a series with a neighboring state school like wva, oh st, or even butler. i think rivalries can become stale after so many years. at least discontinue and maybe pick them back up sometime in the future.

And yes, having said that, i always enjoy uk beating their asses.

Agreed.

I would rather play KU home and home instead. At least in the years we don't play them in the Champions Classic.

That would be perfect. Then play a different Big 12 team in the challenge.

 

[Cats192]

I think the point is whenever they play a blueblood like uk, on the national stage, it only helps them in their effort to regain relevance, publicizing their brand and aiding their recruiting. screw 'em, let's start a rivalry with somebody else.

Same with ucla, i hated it when we started playing them, the team we are chasing for most nc's.

jmdao

But they're a team from a power-5 conference. There is value in that to us.

 

[blubo]

But they're a team from a power-5 conference. There is value in that to us.

Of course. there are plenty of p5 conference teams.

 

[CatPhight]

Just say NO to INbreeding.

 

[Cats192]

Of course. there are plenty of p5 conference teams.

That's not the point, sir.

We play Monmouth and Cleveland State.

Surely you realize those aren't power 5 conferences. Surely IU is a better game and a more exciting game than those.

 

[blubo]

That's not the point, sir.

We play Monmouth and Cleveland State.

Surely you realize those aren't power 5 conferences. Surely IU is a better game and a more exciting game than those.

You missed my point. there are plenty of p5 conference teams we could play besides the loosiers.

 

[morgousky]

I would LOVE it. I wish we had more rivalry games, and at the very least games to get excited for in the non-conference.

A lot of you say "we don't need them." Well, ok we don't.

But we also don't need Stephen F Austin, Canisius, Cleveland St, Duquesne, UTM.

We don't have to "need" a team to play them.

Also, IU was very good in the early season. They beat Kansas and UNC. They had some injuries and some bad breaks.

We agreed before to play them on our terms, so why not now? Some foolish sense of hubris that we don't "need" you.

The problem is Indiana is a sleeping blue blood, maybe dead. As a rival and opposing blue blood, it's dumb to help breathe life back into them, that's exactly what they want. I understand people who want the series renewed, but I think it's best if Indiana proves they belong on the same court with us and right now they simply don't. All of those other programs you mentioned are cup cake games, it's not a matter of who needs what. Indiana is different.

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

Everyone posting in this thread against UK renewing the IU series needs to call or email the UK Athletics office and convey your feelings on the matter.
I wouldn't support it until IU publicly apologizes for the way their fans acted toward UK players and their parents.
Even then I would only favor neutral court games.

 

[KyCatFan]

I'd say only at the Yum Center with a 50/50 split, but they have to do the negotiating with Jurich and UL to make it happen. Screw playing it in Bloomington or Indianapolis.

 

[MegaBlue05]

Nope.

An alleged blueblood stormed the court after a December win. That's Auburn behavior. IU has lost its "host Kentucky" privileges forever.

I'm fine with neutral if we have to, but I'd rather a play a program that's been past the Sweet 16 more than once since 1993.

 

[greymatters4]

Hell yes. Kentucky would smoke they asses.

 

[Simple_Man]

Exactly. No need to give them any help trying to revive that program. It has no benefit at all to us

Screw them ,let them start over.

 

[KeepingItReal74]

Play them all! No cowards here. Can't do legendary things if you don't play legendary schedules.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

If Kentucky's goal is to add a program to the schedule that has advanced farther than the Sweet 16 once in the past 24 basketball seasons, there are a lot better choices than Indiana: Kent State, Davidson, VCU, George Mason, on and on.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

That's not the point, sir.

We play Monmouth and Cleveland State.

Surely you realize those aren't power 5 conferences. Surely IU is a better game and a more exciting game than those.

Do what is best for program, not fans.

 

[Cats192]

The problem is Indiana is a sleeping blue blood, maybe dead. As a rival and opposing blue blood, it's dumb to help breathe life back into them, that's exactly what they want. I understand people who want the series renewed, but I think it's best if Indiana proves they belong on the same court with us and right now they simply don't. All of those other programs you mentioned are cup cake games, it's not a matter of who needs what. Indiana is different.

Prove they belong?

They were a fairly regular NCAA tournament team under Crean.

 

[Cats192]

If Kentucky's goal is to add a program to the schedule that has advanced farther than the Sweet 16 once in the past 24 basketball seasons, there are a lot better choices than Indiana: Kent State, Davidson, VCU, George Mason, on and on.

While that's fair, we aren't adding those teams. We play several non-NCAA tourney level teams per year.

Are we better off playing non-NCAA tourney teams? How far has Monmouth gone in the last 24 years? But that's a better opponent than IU?

 

[Cats192]

Do what is best for program, not fans.

In what way?

Are you afraid that IU fans are dangerous and will hurt our fans/players?

Or do you think that Monmouth is a better opponent than IU for our resume?

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

In what way?

Are you afraid that IU fans are dangerous and will hurt our fans/players?

Or do you think that Monmouth is a better opponent than IU for our resume?

Afraid part isn't in my vocabulary. Their fans are lower class than most and do not deserve us helping their resume.

We always play one of the very best schedules in the country. The way every team and coach puts out their maximum effort and motivation speeches for us along with playing a stupid SEC tournament as late as possible I would like to have as much gas in the tank when it really counts.

Yes we need some strategic tough games for resume and preparation but let's not over do it and if Cal thinks we need another decent challenge get someone other than the least classy fans on earth. They don't deserve our help. Just like Jurich doesn't.

 

[morgousky]

Prove they belong?

They were a fairly regular NCAA tournament team under Crean.

Ok, so even if you think they belong, justify offering the hottest program in basketball to a lifeless borderline blue blood? That would be great for indiana, and Kentucky would get nothing out of it minus a risk, albeit small if you feel that way.

Indiana. New coach. Revived interest. Revived rivalry with the hottest team in basketball.

Sell it to us. But I dont think what you've got outweighs the rest, including Cals feelings toward treatment.

 

[morgousky]

In what way?

Are you afraid that IU fans are dangerous and will hurt our fans/players?

Or do you think that Monmouth is a better opponent than IU for our resume?

Cup cakes are part of every schedule. There's no way around that.

Renewing a series like Indiana requires much further thought and consideration. There's implications such as listed above.

You keep comparing a false equivalency.

 

[KentuckyRLD]

I see no reason for UK to ever play iu again.

 

[preacherfan]

Prove they belong?

They were a fairly regular NCAA tournament team under Crean.

For the record, under Crean, they were in the NCAA tournament 4 times in 9 seasons.

 

[shutzhund]

It's not the coach or the team. It's their administration that clearly dislikes UK and went out of their way to allow IU rabble to physically endanger our team and fans.

Why would we, again, respect or trust them enough to give them an opportunity for a repeat performance. Nothing wrong with playing them in a site their president, ad or other administrative cretins have no input. Never again in Bloomington.

The talking heads who sanctimoniously, yeah I'm including you Dickie, who blame us for ending the series weren't there.

 

[JimBR]

Not saying we should renew, but if we don't the ncaa will align us with them in the tournament with little regard for actual seeding.

A renewal slanted significantly to our advantage that reflects where the 2 programs are might be good. Something like 2 games in Rupp and one in Indy where the tickets are split 50-50.

 

[WeWant9]

With Cal's relationship w/ the Miller family, I could see him throwing Archie a bone here and renewing the series. I'm personally against it. I really dont see the need to renew it for either team, but IU wants it more than UK. The college hoops world has gone on just fine since the last game.

I'd rather see some fresh match ups, dont need to see IU in the regular season anymore. I've said in other threads that if Archie turns out to be the real deal, than IU will always be matched up in our NCAAT bracket. The NCAA has shown they will go out of their way to match us up, so why bother playing in the regular season?

 

[wromanp7]

It has potential to be the most high profile game on our schedule. It's a series that needs renewed. There is an organic vitriol between the schools and states that creates great theatre.

This ain't drama class.

 

[Cats192]

For the record, under Crean, they were in the NCAA tournament 4 times in 9 seasons.

How does that compare to Monmouth, for the record?

 

[Cats192]

Ok, so even if you think they belong, justify offering the hottest program in basketball to a lifeless borderline blue blood? That would be great for indiana, and Kentucky would get nothing out of it minus a risk, albeit small if you feel that way.

Indiana. New coach. Revived interest. Revived rivalry with the hottest team in basketball.

Sell it to us. But I dont think what you've got outweighs the rest, including Cals feelings toward treatment.

The benefit is the game.

Playing a big 10 team, even a not great one is preferable to some of the cupcakes.

You say in the other post that cupcakes aren't the same as IU--but if you're so certain we crush IU--why not play them when they'll likely present a tad more challenge?

 

[morgousky]

The benefit is the game.

Playing a big 10 team, even a not great one is preferable to some of the cupcakes.



You say in the other post that cupcakes aren't the same as IU--but if you're so certain we crush IU--why not play them when they'll likely present a tad more challenge?

Am i afraid Indiana could use that game and help boost their program? Yes. A game against UK and Caliapri yearly is another weapon to recruit with and it does matter. It also matters on the national scene. We dont need it, they do.

I see where you're coming from as far as a fans perspective, but I'd decline. On top of tbat, they need to earn a home and home with UK, it shouldn't be given.

 

[morgousky]

Can we stop comparing this situation To cupcakes? Scheduling Indiana is not the same as Monmouth. Every team has cupcakes. They are a traditional blue blood type of program. After what they did in 2012 they have a lot of making up to do, in the way they act and winning on the court.