Anyone Listening to KSR Right Now? Hagans and Cal Fight?
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Also, I find it kinda hilarious that all the olds/boomers are complaining about the Millennials, yet they are the ones who happiness seemed to be tied to how the Millennials perform with a basketball.
I am exaggerating a bit, when it comes to the generational thing. They're not all that bad, but our future is not looking good and we all had a hand in it. Started in the 40s (and earlier) behind the scenes. We're jist seeing the results of it now. We were too trusting of the people in and running for office.
I will say that when I was in my 20s people could count change, and many could flip a burger by a timer without thinking that was a profession. You could joke with people without them becoming suicidal or manic, and you could count on people quite a bit more than today, even expect them not to steal from you at every opportunity. Things HAVE changed
Then choose another program. They get to pick who they play for and if they think they'll be the guy who changes a 60 yr old man who has proven to be a HOF coach, they'll find out quickly they are wrong.
After you reach puberty, it just means more
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Wanna bet Aston starts on Saturday and for the rest of the season...maybe your opinion of Cal is a little exaggerated?
I hated it when Tubby did the foot stomping and staring thing. Haven't grown to like it when Cal does it either. Prefer talking to them like they're adults. People don't learn as much from making a spectacle, imo. To each their own, though
Cal seemed like he snapped last night though. Complete meltdown at some point
There is nothing strange or unusual about a player and coach having disagreements or even shouting matches. It will be handled appropriately. Doesn’t mean Hagans shouldn’t start or play, doesn’t mean Cal has lost the team. It is what it is, and it’s not a major problem. It was a frustrated coach and player in a frustrating situation. That’s all.
Take this for what it's worth, but I have a friend that has seats right behind the UK bench. I told him about this thread and the "Cal and Hagans fight rumor" and he was surprised. He said Cal was yelling and on the ass of EJ and Maxey all game but never really saw him argue or yelling at Hagans. A situation could have happened at half time or something.
What are we discussing? People are talking of kids tuning him out because he yells......he's not going to change. Do you want to bet that Cal will stop yelling at players during the game? Already know that answer. We're talking about 2 different things. You don't like Cal, fine. I think he's done a fine job with this group but if you want to discuss why this group lacks talent, I agree. The recruiting has to improve overall and I'm on record as wanting to shake up the staff, but I like that he holds players accountable for things that upset some of you. The yelling at officials is tiresome to me as it doesn't do anything to help, but what you yell at players and why you are yelling--he's not wrong. Juzang leaves corner shooters open. One of the reasons he keeps doing it--there are no other options. That is 100% on Cal/Staff. However, if he's going to do it, yank his ass.
I'd personally not start Hagans if anything about what came out is true. He can come off the bench in Florida game like he did the first time. I also don't buy his "injuries" either. I think he's a flaky kid who has played poorly recently and can't handle the attention of his teammates. Do I think he will come off the bench or sit? No. I agree with you but that's not my issue. My point is if you don't like being yelled at, there are several programs to select that you can find a coach who allows you suck, do whatever you want, lose games and be BFF's! This isn't it.
I didnt say he was mad. I said he tried to knock the ball out of Nicks hands, which is exactly what happened.
Sit his butt and let Maxey run the point. The team ran better last night with Hagans on the bench and fell apart when he came back in.
I agree, Ralphfan. I've said all season this could be Cal's least talented team at UK. Some have laughed at that, but it is a legitimate statement, to me.
At the moment, yes. I think he shouldn't have played him. Unfortunately that teaching moment is gone. I don't know if it says the same/right message if he doesn't take the trip to Gainesville
I think this all being overblown, even if any of it happened quite the way we’ve heard. We all know Calipari isn’t going to bench Hagans. It’d be asking Maxey to progress as a PG in a drastic way and Juzang to step up, with one game left on the schedule. For a team that’s been on a big win streak.
It would be rightly questioned as a large overreaction to a single bad half. And if it went wrong, Calipari would get endless heat about it and get hurt in recruiting as it would surely hurt Hagans and Maxey’s draft stocks.
So while Hagans is not in my top UK PG list either, it’s pretty clear that he’s our only option this year - barring a complete meltdown and revolt, not just some bickering in the heat of the moment.
It isn't just one bad half. Hagans has been bad for several games now. Something is going on.
Inexperienced team? Limited roster? Unskilled players? Nobody but Cal could win with a PG like Hagans?
I've heard it all now. There are two things the Calipari era has taught me. It's always good to have a ready excuse when underachieving and there's people who are willing to believe and defend every possible excuse offered up for underachieving.
I've heard it all now. There are two things the Calipari era has taught me. It's always good to have a ready excuse when underachieving and there's people who are willing to believe and defend every possible excuse offered up for underachieving.
I don’t disagree, but focusing on Hagans sub-par performances individually misses the good team chemistry we’ve had despite Hagans not looking great on his own. The proposition of sitting Hagans is a huge risk for a small reward imo.
It’s not necessarily losing one game. It’s how the game was lost. Everyone all year has pointed to March. Wait until March. That’s been driven home after every head scratching performance and loss. Well guess what? It’s March.
He is nearing the end of his sophomore year and his draft status is not what he wants. I think he is thinking about that he needs to come back and he thought he would be long gone by now.
Evidently the HOF proof was then and this is now. UK gave Cal quite an upward shove and he ran with the ball and built up his rep, It looks a little like he believes everything was his doings. Maybe that explains the last few seasons where there has been so few players to complete an effective roster or a true center for that matter.
Well he still has a good rep but he's not the only coach that can do the same thing with UK's history and salary. Just don't know the name of that guy.
Be careful what you wish for. Old coaches are all set in their ways. So easiest way to improve, get new coaches around them who can recruit/bring some new ideas and any great assistant knows how to give an idea so the HC thinks it's his own.
The guy has proved it everywhere he's coached. I mean his "down turn" at UK is 2nd Rd exit, Elite 8 buzzer beater, Sweet 16, Elite 8 OT Loss. Most programs seek coaches like that and while I don't disagree UK has proven they'll find a great coach and win big no matter what, the drop off from '98 Tubby to Cal was a long time to wait, so enjoy the time while he's here. Doesn't mean he's perfect, or I don't disagree with what many things he does, but yelling doesn't bother me as much as it does everyone else and winning SEC with this group....that's going to be looked at with even higher regard after we see how few of this roster ends up in NBA after UK.
I'll keep on looking but so far I can't find anything to disagree with in your post.
Thanks. I have now heard the clip (about 4:30 into the first half): https://www.iheart.com/podcast/484-ksr-kentucky-sports-radio-28233652/
In summary, someone sent MJ a video of the argument, so he saw Cal say to the effect of “if you don’t want to play, go back to the locker room.” AH did enter the game. This happened when the score was 51-34, when we were up by 17. Once AH went back in the game, he played for the remainder of the game, according to the broadcast.
So obviously these internal struggles contributed to our loss, which is very unfortunate. I also find it unfortunate that a young person’s outburst can be captured and reported on social media and blown out of proportion. How many of us would want everyone to know about an outburst we had at 20 years old? I agree that we give the coaches a pass for losing their temper, but rarely show the young people compassion. In this age of media spreading news rapidly, one moment in time has the potential to mar someone’s reputation.
Let’s hope everyone makes up and goes back to getting along. It’s sad as a fan that UK suffered a seed-impacting loss when we were up by 17 points.
I'll be a jackass to you anytime you start insinuating our players are point shaving without any proof. You're just a obvious troll and sh*t starter.
Appeared to be a mistake by assistant telling someone to go into the game-because Barbee was looking down at Juzang when he checked out like "I didn't tell you to go in".
What I'm unaware of and maybe someone can elaborate for me is how UK subs? I work for a coach who makes me do the substitutions and there are times he'll do it on his own but most coaches I've worked for tend to give that job to the staff during a game after going over a plan prior to the game of how they want to use players/divide minutes, etc...
Cal seemed more upset then I've seen him all season with staff last night-specifically with subbing-he got on Justus once and he was on Barbee for another in the game-think it was Brooks coming out with EJ going back in.
Millennial's are at least 25 years old at this point. Just thought you should know.
That is in 30 games. How the heck does the Hagans camp think he could play a pro schedule?
Now there's possibility of staff messing up subs and Cal needing to deal with it? No wonder we lost when you look at everything stacked up against us:
1. Sub issue.
2. Coach not in it.
3. Hagans continued poor play.
4. IQ bad shooting night with his Dad watching.
5. Richards bad night overall.
6. Foul trouble/Not getting any home treatment
7. Coach/Hagans blow up.
8. Tennessee hitting 8 for 18 on 3pt attempts.
It's amazing we only lost by 7 or whatever, with that laundry list of screw-ups. If just 1, maybe 2 of those things goes right, we probably win.
Sure is the perception and based on some first hand accounts from last night looks very real especially coupled with the complete breakdown we suffered.
I think it's pretty sad how programmable we are as a society that we even use the terms "millennials" and "boomers" etc. We just open our mouths to accept whatever is shoveled.
Everyone is different and yet everyone is the same when you get down to it.
I can't help it I like to yank the chains people put on themselves, cause dangit it IS fun.
Here's the problem for you in a nutshell-
Too few players on the team means too many practice minutes on the floor without rest for first team players (especially PG) that have to play first AND second team in practice. 1. Dude's (Hagan) more tired than he would be on a full roster. 2. Cal's tired of the complaining that should have stopped by now. 3. The fans are concerned because that game looked BAD and there's little time left in the season to correct what we just saw. 4. The fans, young and old, are grasping at straws because they don't have any info except what they see on the court. 5. We lost the 2 seed unless we beat the living snot out if everyone we face from here through the SEC Tourney.
Did that sum any of this sht up?
Too few players on the team means too many practice minutes on the floor without rest for first team players (especially PG) that have to play first AND second team in practice. 1. Dude's (Hagan) more tired than he would be on a full roster. 2. Cal's tired of the complaining that should have stopped by now. 3. The fans are concerned because that game looked BAD and there's little time left in the season to correct what we just saw. 4. The fans, young and old, are grasping at straws because they don't have any info except what they see on the court. 5. We lost the 2 seed unless we beat the living snot out if everyone we face from here through the SEC Tourney.
Did that sum any of this sht up?
