Another hypothetical

[morgousky]

The last one had a ton of different opinions. How about this.

Option 1 - Louisville never fell into scandal, banner is safe, and they have a record of 8-2 against Cal at UK. BUT...UK remains the same... and adds the title and perfect 40-0 season in '15.

Or

Louisville loses the banner in 2013, is stripped of multiple final fours and wins, and Pitino is fired in shame and gets a 5 year show cause. Everything else remains the same.

?

 

[Aike]

The last one had a ton of different opinions. How about this.

Option 1 - Louisville never fell into scandal, banner is safe, and they have a record of 8-2 against Cal at UK. BUT...UK remains the same... and adds the title and perfect 40-0 season in '15.

Or

Louisville loses the banner in 2013, is stripped of multiple final fours and wins, and Pitino is fired in shame and gets a 5 year show cause. Everything else remains the same.

?

I like it the way it is, but I'm also not a Title or nothing kind of guy.

 

[morgousky]

I like it the way it is, but I'm also not a Title or nothing kind of guy.

So option 2.

 

[Aike]

So position 2.

Yeah. 40-0 would have been really cool, but being dominated by UL and RP for a decade would have been horrible.

 

[morgousky]

Yeah. 40-0 would have been really cool, but being dominated by UL and RP for a decade would have been horrible.

Yea, I'm interested to see some opinions on this.

I'm keeping it the same, plus with this option Pitino is done and his legacy is toast.

 

[drcats2013]

Yeah. 40-0 would have been really cool, but being dominated by UL and RP for a decade would have been horrible.

We'd be up 2-1 in titles during that stretch and be 2 away from UCLA. I'd take it.

 

[Rupp'sRunt]

Give me 40-0 all day

 

[morgousky]

We'd be up 2-1 in titles during that stretch and be 2 away from UCLA. I'd take it.

Makes me hungry

 

[Aike]

Well I wouldn't. Just like I wouldn't trade the last 8 years with UCONN, just because they have 2 Titles.

Or Duke either.

Runs like '11 and '14 were among the most fun I ever had as a fan. Dominating UL has been a blast.

Like I said, I like it better how it is. Enjoying the journey.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The last one had a ton of different opinions. How about this.

Option 1 - Louisville never fell into scandal, banner is safe, and they have a record of 8-2 against Cal at UK. BUT...UK remains the same... and adds the title and perfect 40-0 season in '15.

Or

Louisville loses the banner in 2013, is stripped of multiple final fours and wins, and Pitino is fired in shame and gets a 5 year show cause. Everything else remains the same.

?

I prefer our success to their failure.

 

[drcats2013]

Well I wouldn't. Just like I wouldn't trade the last 8 years with UCONN, just because they have 2 Titles.

Or Duke either.

Runs like '11 and '14 were among the most fun I ever had as a fan. Dominating UL has been a blast.

Like I said, I like it better how it is. Enjoying the journey.

I am enjoying the journey as well. It would be the SAME journey, aside from our regular season record against UL and we would have one extra title. That bi*#@ of a program isn't that important to me

 

[docholiday51]

I'll take the 40-0,it puts us one step closer to the UCLA title record.UL athletics are what they are and that isn't going to change,UL is stained forever no matter what comes of the scandal. Pitino,somewhat sadly,has damaged his legacy beyond repair.He will never be viewed in the same way,all his accomplishments are tarnished because of the type of person he has proven to be..

 

[Wall2Boogie]

Option one by a large margin I'd take Karen out o a nice Italian restaurant if we could of completed 40-0

 

[BBUK]

I agree with Doc but the OP needs a woman...

 

[morgousky]

I agree with Doc but the OP needs a woman...

If you saw my women your age couldn't hold it down.

 

[morgousky]

I prefer our success to their failure.

We'd be 2-8 and dominated by louisville for a decade though. It would effect us.

 

[morgousky]

I'll take the 40-0,it puts us one step closer to the UCLA title record.UL athletics are what they are and that isn't going to change,UL is stained forever no matter what comes of the scandal. Pitino,somewhat sadly,has damaged his legacy beyond repair.He will never be viewed in the same way,all his accomplishments are tarnished because of the type of person he has proven to be..

No, not in this thread. If you pick 40-0 Rick goes down as a legend at UL and dominated Cal at UK.

What you did was pick up 40-0 then ran with it back into reality.

 

[king of cali]

I vote for the title. 40-0 makes UK and Calipari immortal. UL isn't important enough for me to worry about.

 

[docholiday51]

No, not in this thread. If you pick 40-0 Rick goes down as a legend at UL and dominated Cal at UK.

What you did was pick up 40-0 then ran with it back into reality.

O.K. 40-0 it is and Rick is my hero

 

[Aike]

Bobby Knight went undefeated then eventually left as a trainwreck.

40-0 would be amazing, but it would still only be one season. I think we might hang a little more on it than history would.

Be honest, when was the last time you heard a lot of buzz about the '76 Hoosiers? To anyone other than IU fans, they are a footnote.

 

[kats23]

Yeah...you take 40-0. In the history books. Even if you were 2-8 against UL, you could always shove that down their throat. Regular season<tournament success all day long. I live in Louisville and deal with the L1C4 stupidity all day long. Another title please to combat that

 

[Deli owl]

Jmo I hate hypotheticals. They mean nothing.

 

[morgousky]

Jmo I hate hypotheticals. They mean nothing.

Creation started as a hypothetical.

 

[irishcat1965]

Option 2. And it isn't even close. I couldn't stomach UL being 8-2 against UK. Their fanbase would be insufferable.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

We'd be 2-8 and dominated by louisville for a decade though. It would effect us.

Pick your poison.

 

[wromanp7]

Not close.
I'm more a UK fan than UL hater.
And I'm a UL hater all day erryday.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

If you saw my women your age couldn't hold it down.

 

[BBUK]

If you saw my women your age couldn't hold it down.

No disrespect to you or yours but...Not hardly...

I'm the black sheep (Is the singular of sheep, shep? ) of my family...

 

[Cowtown Cat]

The last one had a ton of different opinions. How about this.

Option 1 - Louisville never fell into scandal, banner is safe, and they have a record of 8-2 against Cal at UK. BUT...UK remains the same... and adds the title and perfect 40-0 season in '15.

Or

Louisville loses the banner in 2013, is stripped of multiple final fours and wins, and Pitino is fired in shame and gets a 5 year show cause. Everything else remains the same.

?

Same tourney setup? Beating Duke in the title game to cap off a perfect season would be....sorry, can't think of a word to describe how great of a feeling that would have been. In that scenario, give me 40-0 all day long.

 

[JoeBeeHall]

I would drink a 4.0 and get in line early at Minardi

 

[bthaunert]

Not close.
I'm more a UK fan than UL hater.
And I'm a UL hater all day erryday.

Same here. Surprising to me how many people would rather see UL suffer than UK succeed.

 

[Jkwo]

Well I wouldn't. Just like I wouldn't trade the last 8 years with UCONN, just because they have 2 Titles.

Or Duke either.

Runs like '11 and '14 were among the most fun I ever had as a fan. Dominating UL has been a blast.

Like I said, I like it better how it is. Enjoying the journey.

I'm not an absolutist, I guess - I wouldn't trade for UCONN's 2 titles and run. But I would trade for Duke's. The trade with Duke is not a slam dunk, like I sit and pine for their run, because ours is better in every way but titles.

 

[morgousky]

Same here. Surprising to me how many people would rather see UL suffer than UK succeed.

Same here. Surprising to me how many people would rather see UL suffer than UK succeed.

In the scenario you're picking, UK would only be up on UL head to head, 26-24. Louisville would have dominated UK over the last 2 decades, and they'd be rejoicing over Pitino owning Kentucky. There is also no scandal so, Pitino would be king of Kentucky.

That has huge implications about the position of both programs in the state.

Personally, throwing our dominance away over one title? Na, we'll always get titles.

So imo the choice you're picking is worse for UK.

 

[Aike]

I'm not an absolutist, I guess - I wouldn't trade for UCONN's 2 titles and run. But I would trade for Duke's. The trade with Duke is not a slam dunk, like I sit and pine for their run, because ours is better in every way but titles.

No way I would trade for Duke's. Like I mentioned, I enjoyed those Non-Title runs in '11 and '14 almost as much as any as a fan.

I wish we had Championships to show for those runs. But Final Fours still hold a lot more value to me than early tourney flameouts, or even Sweet Sixteen/Elite Eights.

Final Four finishes are rarely disappointing to me, 2015 being an obvious exception. But I still loved that season.

 

[nickhorvathsuxazz]

As sweet as a 40-0 title run would've been, I couldn't stomach having UL dominate the series w/ us. Option 2 gets my vote.

 

[bthaunert]

In the scenario you're picking, UK would only be up on UL head to head, 26-24. Louisville would have dominated UK over the last 2 decades, and they'd be rejoicing over Pitino owning Kentucky. There is also no scandal so, Pitino would be king of Kentucky.

That has huge implications about the position of both programs in the state.

Personally, throwing our dominance away over one title? Na, we'll always get titles.

So imo the choice you're picking is worse for UK.

We've won eight titles in 80 years and have gone 20, 18 and 14 years between titles, so the notion that we will always get titles is way off, and 2015 should have taught you that. If everything stays the same for us besides losing regular season games to Louisville and I get to add our 9th title, I do it, and I don't even think one second about it.

 

[morgousky]

We've won eight titles in 80 years and have gone 20, 18 and 14 years between titles, so the notion that we will always get titles is way off, and 2015 should have taught you that. If everything stays the same for us besides losing regular season games to Louisville and I get to add our 9th title, I do it, and I don't even think one second about it.

We have the most titles (more than 8 tbh) than anyone minus Sam Gilbert.

Titles will always be there.

Allowing UL to overtake UK?I'd never vote for that.

 

[WildMoon]

First question was completely terrible, but this one is much better.

However, you can't say its the same for the first scenario. Since 8-2 would fundamentally change our runs.

UK played UL in 2012 final four game and 2014 tourney game. Also you said UK went 40-0 in 2015. So in order for everything to remain the same, it has to be 7-3. (hard to believe that 2012 team would lose them in regular season...but theoretically that's possible). So, most likely it should be like 6-4.

So...i don't really care what happens to UL so second option is meaningless. The problem with first argument is, is it really better for UK at all the first option? 8-2 would mean that UK would have lost 2014 magical run completely.... More losses throughout the tenure of Cal at UK just to get one more title, but less tourney success and joy on annual basis.

 

[bthaunert]

We have the most titles (more than 8 tbh) than anyone minus Sam Gilbert.

Titles will always be there.

Allowing UL to overtake UK?I'd never vote for that.

Overtake UK how? Since Cal's arrival, in your scenario, it would look like this:

Kentucky in 8 years
2 National Championships
1 National Runner up
4 Final Fours
2-0 against UL in NCAA Tournament

Louisville in 8 years
1 NCAA Championship
2 Final Fours
0-2 against UK in NCAA Tournament

People who answer option 2 are putting UL's failures above UK's success imo.

 

[MegaBlue05]

That's a tough one. I live in their fanbase's 6 county vicinity, so going 2-8 against them would be brutal, BUT a title is a title.

I guess I'd take 40-0 and another title, but living in reality, I'm good with lil bro's embarrassing, hilarious demise.