All Time UK vs Kansas: 7-1 At UK, 8-1 Neutral , 7-4 At Kansas
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There was an ESPN article yesterday that puts KU ahead of Kentucky. Found it:
1.Duke Blue Devils (40 wins) The Blue Devils are 32-6 this century as a top seed, but just 8-7 as a No. 2 (four times), 3 (2003 and 2014), or 6 (2007).
National titles: 2001, 2010, 2015
2. Michigan State Spartans (40 wins) Tom Izzo has won 40 times since 2000 with an average seed position of 5.2.
National title: 2000
3. Kansas Jayhawks (39 wins)
National title: 2008
When you're in a March Madness "drought" yet you're still effectively tied with the national leaders for tournament wins since 2000, life is, all things being equal, pretty good. Kansas hasn't been to the second weekend of the tournament since 2013, but we've seen stretches like this before from every program at the top of this list: Michigan State was absent from the Sweet 16 in 2006 and 2007, and the same was true of Duke in 2007 and 2008. KU shall return, too. [H]asn't ...been seeded as low as No. 5 one time since 2001.
4. North Carolina Tarheels (36 wins) As head coach at UNC, Williams is 4-1 in Final Four and national title games.
National titles: 2005, 2009
5. Kentucky Wildcats (36 wins) Since Calipari took the helm in 2009-10, Kentucky has won 22 tournament games.
National title: 2012
ETC.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-headline-century-ncaa-tournament-leaderboard
There it is again, "Since 2000." Guess what I guess Wisconsin can say they are better than UK since April 2015.
I love it: Selective Time Frames yet again from a Kansas fan.
Let's see just a FEW things that Kentucky holds over Kansas (I can name more, if you like).
8>3
22>6
Less NCAA Infractions
More Final Fours
More all time wins
A higher all time winning percentage
A winning record in Phog Allen Fieldhouse
32 points (could have been worse)
Don't lose to mid-majors consistently in the NCAA Tournament
Kicked your ass in the first game we played you, and also in the last game we played you
Well, maybe, you folks just ran out of time.
Actually, it would be 3 to 2 over KU in championships, since 1984, not 3 to 1, but more importantly, it's 4 to 2 over KU since 1975, the birth-year of the 'modern tourney' (a bigger & MUCH more difficult tourney).
Final Fours since April 1984 are a different story, though. UK and KU are tied (8), plus UK had an additional FF in '84, so 9 total since April 1978. UNC has had 9 FFs since '84 and 11 since April 1978, and Duke's had 12 FFs since the mid-80s (plus their 1978 FF), so the 35-year FF order is Duke, UNC, UK, KU.
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Nice. Sacrifice your first championship In order to get rid of UK's other 4. I would do the same Kansas fan. I swear I would.
But then I guess we would have to remove Rupp out of contention for one of the greatest coaches of all time. He never even won a title in the "modern tourney". Hell, UCLA only has 2 titles.
Truth is, older tournaments just featured the best of the best or a by pass to the sweet 16/EE. Which doesn't really effect the top teams in the tournament unless you're Kansas who lose to mid majors. You don't just omit history. It messes ish up. History often repeats itself anyway ku fan.
More selective time frame statistics from a Kansas fan....... Sigh.......
On second thought, this fool should always post here. After all, the world needs idiots as well. That way, the rest of us all get a good laugh.
Kentucky OWNS Kansas, and always has. You know it, we know it, and God knows it.
That's why they call it all time wins(2178)let us know when you get their,we are already.
I only pick from '85 on because I didn't really follow or even watch mu
***I picked after '84 as I have no memories of having watched college basketball prior to the Villanova vs. Georgetown Nat'l Championship (well technically, that entire Final Four). All my College Men's BBall memories start there.
***I picked after '84 as I have no memories of having watched college basketball prior to the Villanova vs. Georgetown Nat'l Championship (well technically, that entire Final Four). All my College Men's BBall memories start there.
Kansas has 76 straight Big XII titles, which is greater than anything, so we might be well let the Kansas-holes talk.
All fair and all facts (although not 100% sure about the "Less NCAA Infractions).
And KU has the following over UK:
*Been around longer (admittedly only 5 years).
*Fathered Adolph Rupp, John Calipari - among the roots of much of UK in the first place.
*Been to the NCAA Tourney every year since their probation year in '89 (longest streak in the nation). Kentucky in the NIT not all that long ago, under Calipari at that & lost to freakin' Robert *Morris when in it.
*Have an = number of Championships since your current coach got there & victory for their Championship was over your current coach.
*55 points in '90 (could have been worse!)
...see what I did there.*Have never had a player ruled ineligible as an amateur (a'la Enes Kanter)
*First Champion in a Final Four with only 1-seeds.
*The worst any coach has done, except for the first (the inventor of the game, James Naismith) was to make a Final Four (Ted Owens) - Phog Allen (Championship), Dick Harp (Championship Game), Larry Brown (Championship), Roy Williams (Championship Game) & lastly Bill Self (Championship AND Championship Game).........can UK say that w/ E. Sutton, Gillespie, etc.?
Let us all take a moment to appreciate that in all of human history, all of human language, and all of Universe itself aligned to make this post possible.All fair and all facts (although not 100% sure about the "Less NCAA Infractions).
And KU has the following over UK:
*Been around longer (admittedly only 5 years).
*Fathered Adolph Rupp, John Calipari - among the roots of much of UK in the first place.
*Been to the NCAA Tourney every year since their probation year in '89 (longest streak in the nation). Kentucky in the NIT not all that long ago, under Calipari at that & lost to freakin' Robert *Morris when in it.
*Have an = number of Championships since your current coach got there & victory for their Championship was over your current coach.
*55 points in '90 (could have been worse!)
*Have never had a player ruled ineligible as an amateur (a'la Enes Kanter)
*First Champion in a Final Four with only 1-seeds.
*The worst any coach has done, except for the first (the inventor of the game, James Naismith) was to make a Final Four (Ted Owens) - Phog Allen (Championship), Dick Harp (Championship Game), Larry Brown (Championship), Roy Williams (Championship Game) & lastly Bill Self (Championship AND Championship Game).........can UK say that w/ E. Sutton, Gillespie, etc.?
All fair and all facts (although not 100% sure about the "Less NCAA Infractions).
And KU has the following over UK:
*Been around longer (admittedly only 5 years).
*Fathered Adolph Rupp, John Calipari - among the roots of much of UK in the first place.
*Been to the NCAA Tourney every year since their probation year in '89 (longest streak in the nation). Kentucky in the NIT not all that long ago, under Calipari at that & lost to freakin' Robert *Morris when in it.
*Have an = number of Championships since your current coach got there & victory for their Championship was over your current coach.
*55 points in '90 (could have been worse!)
*Have never had a player ruled ineligible as an amateur (a'la Enes Kanter)
*First Champion in a Final Four with only 1-seeds.
*The worst any coach has done, except for the first (the inventor of the game, James Naismith) was to make a Final Four (Ted Owens) - Phog Allen (Championship), Dick Harp (Championship Game), Larry Brown (Championship), Roy Williams (Championship Game) & lastly Bill Self (Championship AND Championship Game).........can UK say that w/ E. Sutton, Gillespie, etc.?
I thought Rupp's parents fathered him. I thought John Calipari was born near Pittsburgh, and never played at Kansas. More selective reasoning and bad logic from a Kansas fan. Will it ever end?
A couple of facts:
(1) Rupp left Kansas in 1924, never to return. He didn't coach basketball anything like Phog Allen did, as Rupp's style of play was completely different. Plus, to boot, Rupp was a much more successful coach than Allen ever was. Rupp sure relished in kicking Kansas' ass any time he could, which he always did. Not to mention, he was completely loyal to the state of Kentucky, promoted it at every opportunity, raised a family here, and died and was buried here. It's fitting that Coach Rupp died on the night when Kentucky played Kansas. He was dying, but the radio in his room was on, so everyone there could listen to the game, including him. Kentucky beat your ass that night in Allen Fieldhouse. Rupp died a Kentuckian. He love the state of Kentucky, the University of Kentucky, and the Kentucky Basketball Program.
Stop laying claims to him. You can't claim him. He was OURS!
(2) John Calipari is not a Kansas product. He's not from there, nor he did he play there. Plus, he LEFT Kansas when a better coaching job came along. All he was at Kansas was a minor assistant coach for a very short time.
Now, go get a bread wrapper and make another banner to hang in "The Phog."
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Is that why you have less NCAA Championships and no more Final Four Appearances?
Once again, bullshit. Go away, troll. Why the mods don't ban you, I'll never know.
I wouldn't want to exclude Coach Rupp. He is one of two people that won a National Championship as a player and as a coach.
From a March, 2015, 'USA Today' interview:
"After he graduated from Clarion, Calipari was invited to work a camp at Kansas by assistant coach Bob Hill. Calipari hopped in his car, got on Route 70, and drove more than 13 hours to Lawrence. There, head coach Ted Owens 'kind of took me under his wing', Calipari said.
"'Ted Owens (who coached in two Final Fours) watched me work, watched me teach and grabbed me one day and said, 'Why don't you stay on my staff?' " Calipari said. He accepted a position as a volunteer assistant coach. 'I got a break that way. I was fortunate.'" In addition to Owens' tutelge, Calipari (and then UK assistant coach John Robic), at KU, also learned about basketball from NCAA and NBA champion Larry Brown.
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From 'Home and Away: A Teacher's Journal":
Adolph Rupp was born a few miles north of Wichita, KS. After (taking a train and) walking up 'the hill' (in Lawrence, KS), to enroll for classes at the University of Kansas, Rupp remembered, “everybody rushing around, shaking hands and embracing each other.” And “poor little Roy and myself, we just kind of played it by ear, and finally we went through the lines and then we found half of the classes were closed and they pushed us into these other classes.” Rupp wound up with trigonometry, English, literature and other subjects. “It was a good load anyway,” he said. “I tell you I had all I could handle.” At the end of the registration line “came that awful thing where they extracted our tuition: $45.” Rupp tried to argue, “I thought it was a state school, that everybody got to come there,” but to no avail. “So immediately I parted with $45, and with the $7 I had spent the night before on my room, it left me a little short.
If it hadn’t been for (KU and his on-campus employer, 'The Jayhawk Cafe'), I wouldn’t have had a college education. I was always grateful to them for that. All the jobs (in Lawrence) were taken. just finally got to the place where I’m getting desperate. For weeks and weeks and weeks, I just didn’t know what to do. I was going to stay THERE, (for sure, even) if I didn’t get anything to eat. I was going to stick around there.
At Kansas, all first-year students received freshman caps that they were required to wear during the fall semester. Rupp later declared:
“Woe be it to any freshman that passed Green Hall — that was the law school building, the first building on the campus — if he was a green little ol’ freshman and he didn’t have that freshman cap. Those law students all had paddles, and they’d just simply take you and put you down along that sidewalk and they’d wallop the daylights out of you. And I’ll tell ya’, there’s only one exit off of that campus, and that was by that law school. And you wouldn’t forget that freshman cap. They had a way of inflicting punishment on these freshmen that showed absolutely no mercy at all.”
Rupp called Allen “a great developer of basketball ideas".
From Allen, Rupp learned work ethic. For example, Rupp recalled that under Allen, “The first day of practice always was about as brutal as anything that you could get. He would practice and practice and practice, pivoting and pivoting and pivoting, all those things, until the blisters would be on your feet the size of a dollar. But he’d keep you out there. He never worked three times a day, but he would work twice a day, especially during the holidays or on days we were not in school. . . Phog had no idea of time; time didn’t mean a thing to him. He’d start at 2 o’clock in the afternoon, if he felt like it, and practice till 6:30, and then sometimes get us back in the evening and practice some more.”
On organization and appearance, according to Rupp, Allen “took great pride in his personal appearance. He had to just look the best. And whenever a photograph of the team . . . was made, everybody had to absolutely have a nice haircut and everything had to be just so. He believed in perfect dress in every respect. He wouldn’t put up with any of this sloppy business at all. And that was the kind of a life that he lived.”
(The KU freshmen squad, including himself, was) “mainly cannon fodder for the varsity, because the varsity was very streamlined, at that time, and they’d kick us around pretty good!”
Rupp called Allen "a great man". Both Allen and Rupp were strict disciplinarians, but Allen applied that to his personal life as well. Rupp remembered him as “a health addict. He believed in jogging.”
Naismith had an open-door policy. “I’d often go into the office and just sit down and breeze with him,” Rupp remembered. “He always had time to talk, he always was interesting. He had a little Canadian accent and he had a moustache, and he always had that twinkle in his eye. You could always tell he was glad to see you.”
Phog Allen on Rupp: “If I said [Rupp] was a great player, I’d only be indulging a professional courtesy.”
Paul Endacott (KU guard; 1923 (Nat'l) Player of the Year; later, President of Phillips Petroleum): “Rupp was forced to sit there [on the bench] and listen for three or four seasons! He HAD to pick up SOMEthing!”
--More Rupp quotes:
“We used to get together and meet up on the campus.... We used to really give the ‘Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU’ some rip-roaring sound that you could hear all over that town (Lawrence). . . . I remember Robinson Gymnasium seated about fifteen hundred downstairs. We had bleachers that we put up. We could crowd three thousand in there, because we also had a track upstairs, and we put chairs up there.”
“(At KU) The students used to always get together at these fraternity houses where they’d go to these varsity dances, and they’d have a couple of nips before they’d show up, although it was strictly understood that anyone that would be caught with liquor on their breath would be automatically suspended from school.” Rupp couldn’t recall anyone ever being suspended, and that was no accident. The dean of men and the dean of women supervised the dances, but “we kept them off in a corner where they didn’t get around too well.
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“We had a big hall that we rented downtown (Lawrence),” he recalled, “. . . and it was always packed to capacity.” Looking back from the 1970s, he said: “I believe we were organized a little better in those days than we are now. . . . Our automobiles are taking a lot of our people away from our organized affairs now. We didn’t have cars in those days. I don’t know of ten students that had automobiles on our (KU's) campus. They were absolutely unknown."
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Clearly, neither Rupp nor Calipari learned, at KU, anything useful regarding their basketball careers or future lives. (sarcasm)
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Unfortunately there is no way to rewrite history...It is a fact that Coach Rupp was a Jayhawk before he was a Wildcat. He was on the '22 and '23 Jayhawk team that was awarded the Helms Championship. I met Coach Cal in Lawrence, Kansas at a Ted Owens Basketball Camp; he was Jayhawk then.
And I KNOW that Adolph Rupp coached at Kentucky for 41 seasons, died as a Kentuckian, coached basketball nothing like Phog Allen, and kicked Kansas' ass every time he got the chance.
The day you know more about Adolph Rupp than I do, just try me, bucko.
I understand he was a Wildcat. Spent years there. Never denied that. I just stated a fact, he was a Jayhawk before he was Wildcat.
Yeah, and he also left that Godforsaken place in 1924, never to return. Played a style of basketball comepletely different. Coached entirely different. Go dig a hole or dodge a tornado. Get lost.
Some guy who coached Indiana. And actually (shock), you're even more wrong than you thought. Because using the "Kansas reeking of insecurity" title standard you prefer, there's a 4th- John Wooden.
You are right, I forgot about him, much like I forgot about Indiana Basketball.
But Hall was one as well.
Nolan Cromwell was a all-American football player at Kansas and played pro ball for about 10 years. He was also the college champion in the 440y HH. Ran it in a time of 49 seconds.
I''ll give you credit for that. I have no problems with opposing fans coming here under their true colors, as long as they have some thick skin. I do have a serious problem with the jerkoff poser who's joined you in this thread, and his ass should have been booted out of here a while ago.
Then WHY are you here? Aren't there any Kansas fans left that you can talk to? Oh' wait, you just like to troll. I digress.
I have respect for Kentucky basketball and Coach Cal. I liked him in the 80's when he was my coach at basketball camp. I think he is good coach and passionate competitor.
Spent some time as the Def Coordinator at Texas A&M and Special Team Coach with Green Bay Packers
Well, goody. I spent a good time in the United States Marine Corps. What in the hell does either have to do with basketball?
