All Time UK vs Kansas: 7-1 At UK, 8-1 Neutral , 7-4 At Kansas

[dlh331]

None of this "since the modern era (whatever that means); since Ted Owens left, since Bill Self arrived, since whatever time period makes KU look better, etc"

Kansas probably will be favored when we play January 30th, but for that fan base to be as confident as they appear to be is simply delusional. UK will be 2.5 months deep into the season and will have what many think is the most talented starting 5 in the nation (with a very good bench). If Diallo is not cleared, KU may not even be favored.

Darryl

 

[Owen68]

Since Louisville is Lil Brother Kansas must be Lil Sister.

 

[will1976]

Kansas is our red headed step-son.

 

[wcc31]

Kansas is our bitch. Always has been...which amuses me even more since they are ALWAYS running their mouths.

 

[Pope John Wall II]

I wish I could go to that game. I've always wanted to go to a game at Allen.

 

[khuff80]

None of this "since the modern era (whatever that means); since Ted Owens left, since Bill Self arrived, since whatever time period makes KU look better, etc"

Kansas probably will be favored when we play January 30th, but for that fan base to be as confident as they appear to be is simply delusional. UK will be 2.5 months deep into the season and will have what many think is the most talented starting 5 in the nation (with a very good bench). If Diallo is not cleared, KU may not even be favored.

Darryl

**Yeah, none of this - let's make it relevant to today.

Let's relish W's over KU back in the '60's & '70's when they were at their lowest!! LMAO!!!

You say "whatever it takes to make our team look better"...well, that's exactly what you're doing by including the games from before any of us practically was following basketball!!! Heck, probably before most of us were even 9-10 years old!!! (i.e., I'd've been 10 in '84).

Since '84, KU's 5-6. Not exactly OVERWHELMINGLY in UK's favor.

In those 11.....= KU 3-0 at Lawrence, tied up 1-1 in Lexington & UK 5-1 at neutral sites

And despite leading 6-5 over that time, KU's actually OUTSCORED UK 827-799 in those 11 gms.



I'm not denying that the '60s & '70s games didn't happen....they did.

But you're not going to be playing a Kansas team from that era when almost half the time they weren't even ranked & at least 2/3 - 3/4 of the time if they WERE ranked they were 15th or lower.

No, KU's typically a Top 10 or higher ranked team going on what? 20+ years now?

 

[mj2k10]

**Yeah, none of this - let's make it relevant to today.

Let's relish W's over KU back in the '60's & '70's when they were at their lowest!! LMAO!!!

You might have a better point here, except I seem to recall that LAST YEAR'S game was a 32 point beatdown. And it really wasn't even that close (LMAO).

And UK won the 2 times the teams played in 11-12.

If you want to relish those Bill Self wins over Tubby Smith coached UK teams, go right on ahead. But in case you missed the news, Tubby isn't coaching UK any more.

 

[KnowsAllTellsAll]

You might have a better point here, except I seem to recall that LAST YEAR'S game was 32 point UK beatdown. And it really wasn't even that close (LMAO).

And UK won the 2 times the teams played in 11-12.

If you want to relish those Bill Self wins over Tubby Smith coached UK teams, go right on ahead. But in case you missed the news, Tubby isn't coaching UK any more.

I think KU beat Kentucky by 27 the last time we played in Allen. And by saying if we want to relish the Bill Self wins over Tubby coached Kentucky teams, isn't that the same as Kansas fans asking if Kentucky fans want to relish Kentucky wins over a Ted Owens coached team?

 

[thecatsareback#8]

**Yeah, none of this - let's make it relevant to today.

Let's relish W's over KU back in the '60's & '70's when they were at their lowest!! LMAO!!!

You say "whatever it takes to make our team look better"...well, that's exactly what you're doing by including the games from before any of us practically was following basketball!!! Heck, probably before most of us were even 9-10 years old!!! (i.e., I'd've been 10 in '84).

Since '84, KU's 5-6. Not exactly OVERWHELMINGLY in UK's favor.

In those 11.....= KU 3-0 at Lawrence, tied up 1-1 in Lexington & UK 5-1 at neutral sites

And despite leading 6-5 over that time, KU's actually OUTSCORED UK 827-799 in those 11 gms.

I hate when history books try to tell me about Abraham Lincoln, MLKjr, Neil Armstrong, all of the great wars, dinosaurs, stupid Big Bangs...Don't they know I wasn't alive yet?!?!

 

[mj2k10]

I think KU beat Kentucky by 27 the last time we played in Allen. And by saying if we want to relish the Bill Self wins over Tubby coached Kentucky teams, isn't that the same as Kansas fans asking if Kentucky fans want to relish Kentucky wins over a Ted Owens coached team?

Well, there were A LOT more of those games to relish. It's not UK's fault that Ted Owens defines an entire generation of your basketball history, during which he went 1-12 against UK. That's part of the reason your history lags behind UK's.

And please take note of this: If Kansas loses to UK this year, then every coach you've had going back to Phog Allen will have a career losing record against UK.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Kansas fans, if you want to conveniently cherry pick eras in which you were successful and eliminate historical eras when you weren't successful, you can't boast about Kansas greats such as Dr. Naismith, Phog Allen, Adolph Rupp, Dean Smith. Those great basketball minds weren't around during the era which you cherry picked.

 

[WeWant9]

Why do KU fans want to start from 1984, I'm really curious? I could understand if that was the year we started playing more consistently, but it's not. From 1971 - 1985 the teams played every year, UK 13 wins KU 2 wins.

I just don't like when people want to pick and choose random start dates. I could say lets start from 1990 and see, UK 6 wins KU 3 wins. Or why not start when Cal became our coach, UK 3 wins KU 0 wins. I got no issue with KU, I just don't like cherry picking stats to try and prove a point. Leave that junk for UL fans.

 

[CUJO_1970]

And despite leading 6-5 over that time, KU's actually OUTSCORED UK 827-799 in those 11 gms.

This is the dumbest freaking statistic ever quoted on a message board. Literally the Helm's Title of irrelevant stats.

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[MSU129]

**Yeah, none of this - let's make it relevant to today.

Let's relish W's over KU back in the '60's & '70's when they were at their lowest!! LMAO!!!

You say "whatever it takes to make our team look better"...well, that's exactly what you're doing by including the games from before any of us practically was following basketball!!! Heck, probably before most of us were even 9-10 years old!!! (i.e., I'd've been 10 in '84).

Since '84, KU's 5-6. Not exactly OVERWHELMINGLY in UK's favor.

In those 11.....= KU 3-0 at Lawrence, tied up 1-1 in Lexington & UK 5-1 at neutral sites

And despite leading 6-5 over that time, KU's actually OUTSCORED UK 827-799 in those 11 gms.



I'm not denying that the '60s & '70s games didn't happen....they did.

But you're not going to be playing a Kansas team from that era when almost half the time they weren't even ranked & at least 2/3 - 3/4 of the time if they WERE ranked they were 15th or lower.

No, KU's typically a Top 10 or higher ranked team going on what? 20+ years now?

What's best about your stats and using '84 as the time frame. UK=3 national titles and KU=1.

 

[VAWildcat14]

Since '84, KU's 5-6. Not exactly OVERWHELMINGLY in UK's favor.

Man, you know your argument is weak when it consists of "we only sort of got owned!"

 

[RC_Texas]

Everyone is a fan. We are passionate. And, we all want to put the best spin on the story that we tell. Kansas fans (me included) want to discount the 70's and early 80's because the Ted Owens years were bleak. Kentucky fan do not want to discuss the 150 point that Kansas stacked on in a 1989 rout at AFH because it wasn't during the best days of Kentucky basketball. Two fan bases that have great pride in their teams. Rightfully so. I will admit that 6-22 overall, 0-3 vs. Cal isn't chest thumping material. But, we are fans. If the records were reverse, BBN would still be excited about the Wildcats. Jayhawk Nation will be extremely loud at AFH. If you win at AFH, you would have earned the victory. It isn't an easy place for the visiting team to win. If the record is 7-22 after the game, it still isn't chest thumping, but it will feel pretty good at least for awhile.

 

[khuff80]

You might have a better point here, except I seem to recall that LAST YEAR'S game was a 32 point beatdown. And it really wasn't even that close (LMAO).

And UK won the 2 times the teams played in 11-12.

If you want to relish those Bill Self wins over Tubby Smith coached UK teams, go right on ahead. But in case you missed the news, Tubby isn't coaching UK any more.

***Both of those instances - '11/'12 & last year you're talking among "all-time greatest UK teams of all-time". Certainly neither was the case in '11/'12 (virtually a miracle they made it to the Championship game given they very much practically lost to Purdue in just the Rd. of 32 & were a team that only went 6 deep. And last year they were usually ranked ~ 5th - 8th.

No KU fan was spouting off saying KU was going to win ANY of those 3 games.

This season both teams are considered very comparable - within maybe 2-3 spots in the rankigns......heck, many had KU ranked AHEAD Of UK until the late J. Murray & I. Humphries additions.

 

[khuff80]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Kansas fans, if you want to conveniently cherry pick eras in which you were successful and eliminate historical eras when you weren't successful, you can't boast about Kansas greats such as Dr. Naismith, Phog Allen, Adolph Rupp, Dean Smith. Those great basketball minds weren't around during the era which you cherry picked.

How does Rupp - be it at KU or UK have ANY FRICKIN' EFFECT on the games of today?!?!?! At least if you're going back to the '00s or even '90s there's SOME little bit of relevance.

 

[khuff80]

Why do KU fans want to start from 1984, I'm really curious? I could understand if that was the year we started playing more consistently, but it's not. From 1971 - 1985 the teams played every year, UK 13 wins KU 2 wins.

I just don't like when people want to pick and choose random start dates. I could say lets start from 1990 and see, UK 6 wins KU 3 wins. Or why not start when Cal became our coach, UK 3 wins KU 0 wins. I got no issue with KU, I just don't like cherry picking stats to try and prove a point. Leave that junk for UL fans.

Start from '84 because HOW MANY OF US WERE EVEN WATCHING before then?

I'd be willing to bet not many. Oh, the great memories of those '70s UK teams you all have. I mean yeah, of course, there's some older folks on here, but I'd be willing to bet that the majority are between 18 - 45....not say 55 & older.

 

[khuff80]

What's best about your stats and using '84 as the time frame. UK=3 national titles and KU=1.

Wrong! KU had two over that time-frame....not 1. ('88 & '08) would seem to fall in between '84 - '15.

 

[khuff80]

Man, you know your argument is weak when it consists of "we only sort of got owned!"

6-5 is now "owned"?! lol

 

[At least 23 Ws in 22 of past 35 seasons_UK 1980-81]

If Kansas were to win on Jan. 30th (KU's only lost three home-games in 8+ seasons) -- even WITH UK's three, recent victories (by two of the greatest UK teams ever) -- then, the series would be tied 6-6 since around 1985 (meaning UK would NOT have a winning record vs KU, over the past 30 years), and in the seven games immediately prior to 1985 (dating back to the '70s), four were decided by three points or less. And, until last seasons's 32-pt, UK win, the points-total from both sides, since the late 70s, was within only 5 points. If you were to check KenPom's stats, you'd notice Kansas has not only played in a much tougher & balanced league over the past-30 years, but they've schedule tougher non-con schedules and have had a MUCH more consistent program (compared to UK, which has missed 5 NCAA tournaments over 30 seasons, compared to KU's one), with more true road-game wins and home wins. Statistical fact: Calipari almost always schedules much weaker competition than KU. Why is that? The weakness of his conferences is only half the story.

Not only did Kansas build the foundation of Kentucky basketball, but it continues to do so, as Rupp and Calipari will always be Jayhawks (Cal learned how to coach the game at KU, from two, KU, Final-Four coaches). In fact, UK's (men's basketball) coaches Rupp, Calipari (by the way, Cal's wife & Coach Robic, too), Sutton, Brummage, Tigert, Wednt, Park & Tuttle were all either Kansans, Kansas fans, Jayhawk graduates & athletes or Kansas-Citians, and so Kansas connections account for just under 50% of UK's coach's all-time victories, so really, respectfully speaking, Kansas is the father of Kentucky basketball, and every win for UK is basically a win for Kansas.

I would write more, but just ran out of time.




Wildcats! Scratch!!! Go Go Kentucky!!!!

EDIT: At least I didn't say Rupp Arena is a 2nd-rate Allen Fieldhouse.

 

[WeWant9]

Start from '84 because HOW MANY OF US WERE EVEN WATCHING before then?

I'd be willing to bet not many. Oh, the great memories of those '70s UK teams you all have. I mean yeah, of course, there's some older folks on here, but I'd be willing to bet that the majority are between 18 - 45....not say 55 & older.

Okay, understandable point..but why not start in 1990 then instead of picking 1984, why not 1980? It seems you pick that time to include 2 wins from 85 and 89, which helps try and prove something. It just seems you're picking a favorable year to try and make the stats play in your favor; even though you still have a losing record.

So does that mean KU only has 2 national championships, bc who cares about something won in the 50s?

Picking random dates/times can always play into the choosers liking. Like I said lets just start at 1990. UK leads the head to head 6-3, also 3 national championships to 1.

 

[VAWildcat14]

6-5 is now "owned"?! lol

You're familiar with the terminology "sort of," yes? It's bad that the best time frame you could possibly cherry pick for KU still leaves you with a losing record to UK and was referred to by one of your own as not "overwhelmingly" in UK's favor.

While we're cherry picking, I guess all that matters is since I was born. Can't remember stuff that happened before I was born right? Kentucky leads 6-3 since 1990 which isn't bad. And this actually helps KU fans, your loss/win ratio become much more favorable when we only have twice as many wins as you.

Or I could go with "since I enrolled at UK" because that's when I started watching UK basketball. We are 3-0 since 2008 and have thoroughly owned you in all three of those games.

Or we can just agree to stop picking arbitrary time frames and go with "who won last." That wouldn't work out too well for Kansas fans either though. I guess I can see why you want to move the target...

 

[UKrazycat2]

**Yeah, none of this - let's make it relevant to today.

Let's relish W's over KU back in the '60's & '70's when they were at their lowest!! LMAO!!!

You say "whatever it takes to make our team look better"...well, that's exactly what you're doing by including the games from before any of us practically was following basketball!!! Heck, probably before most of us were even 9-10 years old!!! (i.e., I'd've been 10 in '84).

Since '84, KU's 5-6. Not exactly OVERWHELMINGLY in UK's favor.

In those 11.....= KU 3-0 at Lawrence, tied up 1-1 in Lexington & UK 5-1 at neutral sites

And despite leading 6-5 over that time, KU's actually OUTSCORED UK 827-799 in those 11 gms.



I'm not denying that the '60s & '70s games didn't happen....they did.

But you're not going to be playing a Kansas team from that era when almost half the time they weren't even ranked & at least 2/3 - 3/4 of the time if they WERE ranked they were 15th or lower.

No, KU's typically a Top 10 or higher ranked team going on what? 20+ years now?

Nit picking history. Are you sure you're not a UofLOL fan?

 

[MWes11]

I hate when history books try to tell me about Abraham Lincoln, MLKjr, Neil Armstrong, all of the great wars, dinosaurs, stupid Big Bangs...Don't they know I wasn't alive yet?!?!

This.

 

[martinsm30]

The holy name of Naismith must be stricken from all conversations and books as history no longer matters unless hypocrisy is now a desirable trait.

 

[RC_Texas]

Or we can just agree to stop picking arbitrary time frames and go with "who won last." That wouldn't work out too well for Kansas fans either though. I guess I can see why you want to move the target...

I like this /\. Throw out the all other games. Kentucky won last. Now, you own the throne until Jan-30, then we can see who owns on Feb-01.

 

[MSU129]

If Kansas were to win on Jan. 30th (KU's only lost three home-games in 8+ seasons) -- even WITH UK's three, recent victories (by two of the greatest UK teams ever) -- then, the series would be tied 6-6 since around 1985 (meaning UK would NOT have a winning record vs KU, over the past 30 years), and in the seven games immediately prior to 1985 (dating back to the '70s), four were decided by three points or less. And, until last seasons's 32-pt, UK win, the points-total from both sides, since the late 70s, was within only 5 points. If you were to check KenPom's stats, you'd notice Kansas has not only played in a much tougher & balanced league over the past-30 years, but they've schedule tougher non-con schedules and have had a MUCH more consistent program (compared to UK, which has missed 5 NCAA tournaments over 30 seasons, compared to KU's one), with more true road-game wins and home wins. Statistical fact: Calipari almost always much schedules weak competition than KU. Why is that?

Not only did Kansas build the foundation of Kentucky basketball, but it continues to do so, as Rupp and Calipari will always be Jayhawks (Cal learned how to coach the game at KU, from two, KU, Final-Four coaches). In fact, UK's (men's basketball) coaches Rupp, Calipari (by the way, Cal's wife & Coach Robic, too), Sutton, Brummage, Tigert, Wednt, Park & Tuttle were all either Kansans, Kansas fans, Jayhawk graduates & athletes or Kansas-Citians, and so Kansas connections account for just under 50% of UK's coach's all-time victories, so really, respectfully speaking, Kansas is the father of Kentucky basketball, and every win for UK is basically a win for Kansas.

I would write more, but just ran out of time.




Wildcats! Scratch!!! Go Go Kentucky!!!!

EDIT: At least I didn't say Rupp Arena is a 2nd-rate Allen Fieldhouse.

Well daddy KU....it sure is fun being your son and kicking your a$$ in life. 8>3 and I don't know the wins, but UK holds that one too and you are older! You are also the father of Roy who is in one of the largest academic scandals ever!

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Why do KU fans want to start from 1984,

Because Kansas lost 16 of the first 17 games in the series.

 

[UKrazycat2]

I like this /\. Throw out the all other games. Kentucky won last. Now, you own the throne until Jan-30, then we can see who owns on Feb-01.

UK fans only post on here to get "likes" from KU fans. Thanks.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

No, KU's typically a Top 10 or higher ranked team going on what? 20+ years now?

Yeah, Kansas was ranked #5 last season at the time of the 72-40 massacre.

 

[RC_Texas]

Because Kansas lost 16 of the first 17 games in the series.

Are you cherry-picking?

 

[mj2k10]

Are you cherry-picking?

I repeat, since you and the other Kansas folks seemed to miss it.

Phog Allen had a losing record to UK
Dick Harp had a losing record to UK
Ted Owens had a losing record to UK
Larry Brown had a losing record to UK
Roy Williams had a losing record to UK
Bill Self will have a losing record to UK unless he wins this next game.

No cherries to pick there.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Are you cherry-picking?

UK doesn't have to cherry pick. We're ahead of KU in any era.The image posted was in response to a question why KU fans want to start the series win-loss count at 1984.

 

[VAWildcat14]

I like this /\. Throw out the all other games. Kentucky won last. Now, you own the throne until Jan-30, then we can see who owns on Feb-01.

I'm ok with this too, although I'll obviously prefer to talk about UK's entire history. I just think arbitrary time frames are lame, but there's nothing arbitrary about "we won the last game" or simply taking the entire history. Anything in the middle is just moving the target to fit an agenda.

 

[RC_Texas]

UK doesn't have to cherry pick. We're ahead of KU in any era.The image posted was in response to a question why KU fans want to start the series win-loss count at 1984.

Okay. Sounded like you were cherry-picking...

 

[wcc31]

**Yeah, none of this - let's make it relevant to today.

Let's relish W's over KU back in the '60's & '70's when they were at their lowest!! LMAO!!!

You say "whatever it takes to make our team look better"...well, that's exactly what you're doing by including the games from before any of us practically was following basketball!!! Heck, probably before most of us were even 9-10 years old!!! (i.e., I'd've been 10 in '84).

Since '84, KU's 5-6. Not exactly OVERWHELMINGLY in UK's favor.

In those 11.....= KU 3-0 at Lawrence, tied up 1-1 in Lexington & UK 5-1 at neutral sites

And despite leading 6-5 over that time, KU's actually OUTSCORED UK 827-799 in those 11 gms.



I'm not denying that the '60s & '70s games didn't happen....they did.

But you're not going to be playing a Kansas team from that era when almost half the time they weren't even ranked & at least 2/3 - 3/4 of the time if they WERE ranked they were 15th or lower.

No, KU's typically a Top 10 or higher ranked team going on what? 20+ years now?

Always amuses me when Kansas Fan, a guy whose program hangs banners in their arena for fake retroactive titles in the 20s, wants to play the "Live in the now!" card.

 

[thecatsareback#8]

Okay. Sounded like you were cherry-picking...

Thats because you were cherry picking what to read in the thread. staying true to your roots, i see

 

[RC_Texas]

Bill Self will have a losing record to UK unless he wins this next game.

So you are saying that there is a chance?