Yes. This year is a free year for everyone. Other than transferring to another SEC school he is free to transfer and play next year.
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When you see what's happening with UNC and IU, about to lose like a collective 6 or 7 to the transfer protocol.. reminds me that things could be worse.
I'm sure we're not done losing guys, but that's mainly because there's a serious log jam for minutes right now. Seems to me that everyone who hasn't transfer/decalred would ideally, like to stay.
The only guy who transfered (or just left) was Fletcher, and that was pretty much a given since December.
I'm sure we're not done losing guys, but that's mainly because there's a serious log jam for minutes right now. Seems to me that everyone who hasn't transfer/decalred would ideally, like to stay.
The only guy who transfered (or just left) was Fletcher, and that was pretty much a given since December.
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He showed as much and probably more potential than Boston did. Based on each players years they just had if I were a GM I’d take toppin over Boston and not think twice about it.
think of it this way
if it were your kid would you rather have his college coach tell him or the people that are actually going to hire him
not to mention i am sure the NBA people would rather watch a player in person as opposed to just going on what a college coach tells them and a very limited amount of film
That.....and one thing I haven't seen anybody mention is his brother. Would Obi advise him to stay in school and get better...or would he tell him that his game is good enough as it stands? Obi knows now what it's like to go from college to the pro game. An insight that Jacob has that most don't.
It will sure beat the old, where we knew we were going to lose most of them. Cal would still like to get them out the door, but his recruiting has fallen off.
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The transfer portal and the opportunity to transfer without sitting out a year has pretty much eliminated a coach being able to screw over a kid and the player not being able to do anything about it without losing a year of eligibility.
No player in his right mind would stay in a program knowing the coach is going to continually sit you on the bench and play newcomers until they can " figure things out".
Now, the coaches are left trying to " figure things out" as far as their roster is concerned for the upcoming year.
The transfer portal actually transferred power from coaches to the players.
No player in his right mind would stay in a program knowing the coach is going to continually sit you on the bench and play newcomers until they can " figure things out".
Now, the coaches are left trying to " figure things out" as far as their roster is concerned for the upcoming year.
The transfer portal actually transferred power from coaches to the players.
I don’t think anybody uses or thinks it will/should be a “massive” announcement lol. Massive??
anyways, the point is... why on earth would he even have to be asked? Is it because Kentucky players often times either quit, transfer or declare for the draft after 1 year no matter what?
What exactly did he do "enough" at to even consider leaving for the NBA Draft?
Kid can jump like a pogo stick, has a nice mid-range, and plays hard. I think he needs to expand his range on his shot and his ball handling.
I don't see anyone currently coming that should make Toppin worry, and frankly, I think this mentality of running from competition is not the answer for these players.
However, Cal has shown a propensity to play his 5 stars over others, so I understand why Toppin might be waiting.
You mean the system Cal uses and runs UK with.
Because there's nearly 800 players in the transfer protocol, and it will likely be 1,000 before it's all said and done. I would bet most D1 coaches,writers are asking a lot of their team the same questions.
We also have a lot of players at the 4 and 5 (and some middling at the 3). I'm not sure how the ranking goes, but Ware is certainly close to the bottom for playing time. The log jam we have at these positions isn't lost on anyone, and the underlying thought is that someone of the 6 or so players is going to transfer.
However, the fact that Ware said he was coming back early, tells me he wants to be here. Though he may be forced out if we happen to return Brooks and Toppin. But that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, at all.
if anybody needs proof this new rule is bad for the game look at UC. They have 4 scholarship players left after 6 entered the portal.
Same reason there are like 3 different threads about Ware returning or asking if he is returning.
better question would be what did boston or clark do to be considered.
And i hope they loose the other 4 and have to put a new team one the floor with left overs.
he showed enough promise to go through the process
he is athletic, he has a nice looking shot
as i stated i think the NBA people will tell him to return
he should absolutely go through the process
information is knowledge
knowledge is power
gather as much as you can
Oh I hate it. Thankfully, a school like Kentucky shouldn't get his as bad as sooo many other schools. And it seems we're already in strong contacts with a few of the bigger transfers.
But no, this is just not good for college ball. So many smaller teams are gonna be decimated. HS players also, who thought they had a clear cut starting spot, now just got bumped cause of a transfer.
I imagine this is just a one-time rule with COVID, and I bet it proves to be such a mess that they switch this back.
Not to bring politics into a good thread....but if the NCAA is like politicians they'll just double down on it.
Know what's kind of odd? So many kids seem to explode after they leave UK. Matthews, Baker, Juzang (transfers) and a good number that went to the NBA, like Booker, Herro, Bam, Mulder, Quickly, Murray, Fox. I mean, Quickley was damn good here last year, but not anywhere near as good as he is for the Knicks.
I would not be surprised if Clarke and Boston do the same thing. something is broken in Cal's offense, but it was REALLY broken this year.
So what is the point of the Pro Day UK has then? Oh wait, I know. It's because the NBA is what Cal bases everything on.
Toppin has some game, but he ain't NBA ready yet.
It is not running from competition. It is getting away from a system of awarding the most minutes to certain players without there actually being a competition for that playing time.
Cal did this year what he swears he would never do and that was continuing giving playing time to certain players that obviously did not earn time on the floor while not giving others a chance to actually earn more time on the floor.
That would have to be so frustrating to the players not given a fair chance to compete for playing time by the coach who has total control of that playing time.
I would transfer and I never quit anything in my life. I wouldn't transfer because of the competition, it would be for the lack of not being given a fair opportunity to play.
Need Toppin back, he's absolutely an NBA talent that needs some more seasoning before he's "ready".
Yeah, I have the same thought. Its ridiculous, frankly.
pro day is at the beginning of the year
i agree i do not think he is ready and i stated twice that i think the NBA people will probably tell him to return
that does not change the fact that he should go through the process and get as much info from the NBA people (his future employers) as he can
Maybe there’s no decision to be made. The kid is simply not good enough to go pro right now!
He might could play for the Globetrotters and pick pennies off the top of the backboard.
I don't pay attention to the NBA but that doesn't surprise me a whole lot. While in college at U of Dayton it seemed like about every shot was a slam/dunk. Didn't watch him a lot while he was there, but I don't remember a lot of mid-long range jumpers. But that doesn't mean after being in the league for a couple years that he won't turn out to be very good.
Some of our fan base and in other programs are stupid, they start rumors about transferring all because they hate Cal. With that Ware is asked the question based on rumor he said no I am coming back. That is why Brooks family said it was fake news that he is thinking about transferring. Toppin has already said this year was a bonus year for him and he is looking forward to next. We still have folks on here asking when is he going tell us his plans. It is the fan base driving this narrative
Even ones who just transferred in last year apparently 😳
Its totally fun as a fan to sit here and write haikus about dudes that played (some marginally well, some awful) for 7 months at Kentucky and talk about them going pro or leaving. Thus having to rely on the “transfer portal” to field a team. And trying to be like “yeah I’ve heard of him” when you see a thread about an obscure guy who just “entered the portal“.
I mean I don’t mean any ill will toward him at all but this is all just dumb and boring as a fan anymore.
I guess it depends on what era, this is not the Joe B ear or the Pitino era and right now I don't see much difference between Cal and Tubby as far as results and Tubby did it with less talent.
HIs aggressiveness was a breath of fresh air, compared to the rest of the team.
I thought the same thing about Cam Fletcher on defense.
Obi would probably say “I have enough money to cover ya little bro so hang another year or 2 and graduate @UK”
It's an interesting question.....we literally have kids with the potential talent level of guys like former UK players like Anthony Epps, Antwain Barbour, Jules Camara, Erik Daniels, Ramel Bradley, Perry Stevenson, etc...that have a mindset they are good enough to make $$$ in pro ball vs. college ball.
- Was there much of any difference between Antwain Barbour vs. Terrance Clarke? Barbour was not that good at UK but was a good athlete and I don't remember him doing anything in NBA....
- Ramel Bradley/Cliff Hawkins.....are on the same level of talent of Ashton Hagans/Marquis Teague...who both left UK after 1-2 years and will do little to anything in NBA.
We are in a new era where college education means little to nothing and isn't valued. I think it's well past time for college to reset and push themselves to value of college and let kids that don't value education to move on if that is their desire. I think we should push this on coaches as well to value college/education once again.
Barbour was better than Boston or Clarke
