Not to belabor the point, but in the interest of fully understanding what you are saying, are you saying that people should only care if their daughter is a "top athlete", and a level playing field should not matter to any athlete or parent for any competitions that aren't at the highest level?
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Crazy ass leftists love sacrificing children to proven quack medicine. If you produce facts against their pseudoscience it's always "wHy Do YoU cArE wHaT pEoPLe BeLiEVe?".
5 minutes later they'll be in the religious thread shamelessly bitching about somebody's benign faith.
Most insufferable, irrational people on the planet.
5 minutes later they'll be in the religious thread shamelessly bitching about somebody's benign faith.
Most insufferable, irrational people on the planet.
^^ this is what I am talking about. Thank you Matteo for such a timely example.
You're welcome. Question. What more, besides bitching and moaning about fairness on here, have you done to advocate for women in athletics? You know, since you seem to care so damn much.
Exactly.
Can we finally interpret Title IX to just mean allow equal access to MegaBlue County High School Basketball Team?
Can we just progress to having one team of the best persons?
This isn't how society works. We don't just stand aside and let injustices happen. If your neighbor was beating the crap out of his kid in front of you, are you just going to say, "not my kid, not my problem?" Actually you probably would and you'd be wrong.
My thoughts are in response to the quoted blocks. Was there anything you wanted to add to this, other than posting for inflammation purposes?
Any trans person on proper HRT regimen and for long enough is no more able to beat a cisgender person than any other cisgender person, assuming talent levels are similar and their aren't vast differences in something like height.
That's anecdotal at best. You are greatly outnumbered by those who share the exact opposite opinion of yours, and no doctor knowledgeable of this stuff would agree with you. And it is very likely that being trans has nothing with what you claim is happening.
The transgender / two-spirit population is much, much higher than you are claiming, and that's just from known data.
Fake outrage is a common term used by people who disagree with the position of others who are supporting said issue. You are not a medical / health professional,vso your "findings" can be discounted as nothing more than a steel building on a mud foundation. The politics you love to throw out there have almost nothing to do with the issues at hand, it's just most of those people vote for the political party that I think most of them belong to.
Everything is controversial for people unwilling to accept the position of another person.
I'm sure the other threads are similar in structure, but what I've seen in this thread is someone who is ignorant and bigoted comes along to fan the flames by posting something that's been debunked countless times here and everywhere else. And then you have people who know to mind their own business IRL doing their good deed for the day by calling out the nonsense of said ignorant and bigoted people.
Something you are willfully ignorant about, and has nothing to do with you, isn't "injustice".
Every single post I've made in this thread is on topic. You just don't agree with what others are saying. Work on your logic.
Beliefs have nothing to do with it. Why is everything with you about beliefs? Anyone who leans on the "minority" keyword doesn't have much of a position to begin with. It's akin to talking about that frog in your pocket everytime you try to persuade someone about something. I hope you take that "great advice" and apply it appropriately, this time.
Letting men compete in women's sports is an injustice. Letting men hang out in women's locker rooms is an injustice. You're just too ignorant and self righteous to realize it.
I'm not sure I even understand your points other than "I am wrong", you're welcome to disagree with me, I get it so I won't try to argue with you. You appear to have more medical knowledge than I, which would not be hard to achieve.
As for other threads, the golf thread was mentioned - there is a golf tournament every week, so there are new issues to discuss - just like every week there's a football game to debate. Totally different than an 13 page thread on the exact same topic which occurred some time ago where some individuals have posted dozens of times.
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That's really the issue isn't it. A simple Google search will yield plenty of medical opinions and studies that show once a man goes through puberty, some of the physical advantages aren't negated by hormone blockers. Things like skeletal structure for example, aren't minimized by hormone blockers. Lia Thomas is a prime example of this. Hormone blockers do reduce muscle mass advantages, but some studies suggest once a man goes through puberty, even that can't be completely erased. Things like height and structure are some of the very things that provide competitive advantage for men over women.
It's hilarious to me the extent you types will go to defend your ignorance. On one hand, you hate the fact that trans kids want to go on HRT, because it's "mutilating" (to borrow the words from your maroons), but the whole point of puberty blockers is to stop the male puberty process, leading to the above changes that you seem to think happen in everyone. The HRT process is to bring on a female puberty in terms of external features. On the other hand you maroons don't like the fact that someone who's gone through HRT after puberty are competing in their desired gender. You'd have a better argument if you just picked one part of the equation. For every little silly anecdotal example you come up with, there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of examples that prove you wrong
I didn't make any comments about kids going on HRT. If your straw man argument makes you feel better, have at it. You presented zero facts to support what you say. Like I said before, a simple Google search will provide you with countless medical opinions and some studies that say once a man goes through puberty the physical advantages can't be completely reversed. If you wish to ignore those studies and opinions, you can blame no one for your ignorance but you. If you want to expand to the discussion to prepubescent males that's fine, but I don't think that is the concern that people have in women's sports.It's hilarious to me the extent you types will go to defend your ignorance. On one hand, you hate the fact that trans kids want to go on HRT, because it's "mutilating" (to borrow the words from your maroons), but the whole point of puberty blockers is to stop the male puberty process, leading to the above changes that you seem to think happen in everyone. The HRT process is to bring on a female puberty in terms of external features. On the other hand you maroons don't like the fact that someone who's gone through HRT after puberty are competing in their desired gender. You'd have a better argument if you just picked one part of the equation. For every little silly anecdotal example you come up with, there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of examples that prove you wrong
Not to mention FINA banned the practice of biological men who have gone through puberty from competing in women's aquatic sports for a reason. But, I'm sure they are ignorant as well.
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It's hilarious to me the extent you types will go to defend your ignorance. On one hand, you hate the fact that trans kids want to go on HRT, because it's "mutilating" (to borrow the words from your maroons), but the whole point of puberty blockers is to stop the male puberty process, leading to the above changes that you seem to think happen in everyone. The HRT process is to bring on a female puberty in terms of external features. On the other hand you maroons don't like the fact that someone who's gone through HRT after puberty are competing in their desired gender. You'd have a better argument if you just picked one part of the equation. For every little silly anecdotal example you come up with, there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of examples that prove you wrong
Your need for the ridiculous ad hominems and your ipso dixit comments are demonstrative of the weakness of your positions.
You have never attempted to define female, but you claim to be one.
You promote child sterilization and deny, by your comments, that many dysmorphic children will identify with their biological sex if they are permitted puberty. Your side promotes gender stereotypes more than any group in modern culture with your conclusions.
You deny the science of male puberty that creates larger lung capacity, bigger bone structure, and more mass to muscles.
You act like an expert, but are anything but.
Just to clarify, I am NOT in favor of letting men competing against women, and I obviously just pulled a random number of transgender athletes out of the air to emphasize a point. I have no idea how many individuals identify as trans, but I still don't believe there are hundreds, or even dozens of men transgendering (if that is a word) and taking over women's sports. And to the extent it is a problem, even a small problem, I will rely on LPGA, IOC, NCAA, women's tennis, et al to carry the fight. In the grand scheme of things, it is just not a huge issue . . . IMO.
About 35% of young girls say they don’t identify as straight and 4% say they are trans (20 years ago, 0% of young girls identified as trans).
There was a time in which I would have agreed with you. Stupid things like this would pop up and disappear usually before you even heard about it. But times havre changed. Now you have the media, corporations, social media and politicians all pushing these ridiculous ideas. So what's small today can be a huge problem tomorrow if you let it fester. Nonsense like this has to be nipped in the bud. And for the record, I actually think it's already a big problem, but I wanted to address the matter from your point of view.
Over the past 15 years the growth of gender clinics in this country has grown from zero to well above 100. 20 years ago, young girls did not identify as trans. Today, it has been reported that 4% identify as trans. Who is making money off those kids? Conservatives? No. Are liberals donating their services and drug companies making cheap drugs for transition because they believe these kids are at great risk? No. Gender confusion is an industry. And, it is growing. People are making a lot of money.
Dude... somebody on here played intramurals in college... Totally normal and nothing to worry about.
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