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8 pages +/- 2This might be a good thread.
I beg to differ sir...“God” (thousands of them across various cultures and time periods) was created in the tiny brains of ancient men when they didn’t/couldn’t understand a damn thing. Lightning, floods, volcanos, thunder, swarms of locusts, solar eclipse, or anything unusual or scary. Their god made it happen.
No, there’s no such thing as a god, nor gods, nor goddesses.
It takes a whole lot more faith to believe all of this was created from random elements bumping into each other, than to believe in a God creating it, even if he did so using some of the methods evolutionists believe so much in. So I believe Evolution was a tool used by God to create all of this. To believe otherwise is the biggest act of faith ever.Absolutely there is a God. Something created all of this
Agree but your first sentence is not fair to a lot. Some people need faith or something to believe in to navigate life. If it helps them then great but not fair to call them weak. I think that’s true in these times. In earlier yrs it was out of fear because the only info they were ever given was that fiction collection of short stories. And before that it was chariots carrying the sun across the sky.Religion is a crutch for the weak to lean on. To turn every thing you don't understand and are afraid of over to some unseen thing so you don't have to ponder the eternal nothingness that awaits us all.
You want me to tell you exactly what death is like? Death is exactly like before you were born. All that ocean of time that existed before your birth. That's what we all return to.
You're not the slightest bit afraid of the time before you were born, so why fear the time after you are dead? They are one and the same.
Is there a humanoid type figure in the sky that created everythingn in 7 days and controls stuff?- no.
Is there one or more superior beings that exist at much higher levels in the universe that may have been involved in the creation of the universe as we know it - as theatrical physicist Michio Kaku puts it "Grand Orchestrating Designer(s)" (GODs)? probably.
To your point … God of The Gaps.Saying no just based on the fact that what makes us as humans so special that we live on in another realm after death? Only us would be so entitled that we believe everything that lives eventually dies and has no afterlife, but our spirits (whatever a spirit is) "lives" on in a "good place" or a "bad place" and if it's the "good place", we get to see our friends and family that died long ago. Has no one wondered why the idea of Heaven is calm, comforting, perfect, beautiful, while Hell is fire, pain, screaming, agony? I could come up with that storyline. God is a comfort tool and there's nothing wrong with that. We can't wrap our minds around impossible questions so it's simpler to manufacture an idea, call it God, and just say "God" whenever there's a complicated answer none of us can answer.
Is there a humanoid type figure in the sky that created everythingn in 7 days and controls stuff?- no.
Is there one or more superior beings that exist at much higher levels in the universe that may have been involved in the creation of the universe as we know it - as theatrical physicist Michio Kaku puts it "Grand Orchestrating Designer(s)" (GODs)? probably.
The Big Bang was just whomever created the simulation we exist in pressing the power button or hitting the "start" key.There is a space there for something. Evolution absolutely disproves religion IMO. But the hole is in our basic understanding even of what creation is.
For example, you always have the "well what created that" argument that gets traced back to a very unsatisfying answer in The Big Bang. That a blast from sheer nothingness created everything else. That is no good for me.
Tyson became a cosmologist because of Sagan, as you probably already know.There is a space there for something. Evolution absolutely disproves religion IMO. But the hole is in our basic understanding even of what creation is.
For example, you always have the "well what created that" argument that gets traced back to a very unsatisfying answer in The Big Bang. That a blast from sheer nothingness created everything else. That is no good for me.
Since both religion and The Big Bang are not adequate explanations to me, I suggest a 3rd thing. Creation itself is a false assumption. That in order for something to exist it must have been created from something else ultimately. I find a Carl Sagan-esque answer that "The Universe is all that is, or ever was, or ever will be" much more sensible.
The same basic ingredients in the universe simply always have been and they ceaselessly churn to create all else and that a circle is the only expression of those basic ingredients for why they always have been. If you go far enough you always return to where you were. That includes time as well. A perpetual recurrence of the same basic ingredients churning in a circular loop of both time and space.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
darn spell checker 😁Kaku is fairly theatrical, but Neil deGrasse Tyson is far more so.
Non-believers are more inclined to say “we don’t know” rather than “God did it” … it seems to me. This strikes me as prudent and honest, rather than odd. There is certainly proof that science doesn’t know everything, but there is no proof that a god exists.We have an infantile understanding of the universe and yet some seem sure that there can be no higher power. Very odd.
I am an atheist. I do not know, with certainty, that a god does not exist, but I definitely do not believe one does. I would certainly accept and believe in god with demonstrable, verifiable proof and evidence of existence.All of these threads should do a better job of people identifying themselves as atheist or agnostic - as there is a big difference
Did the OP ask if the Judeo-Christian God exists or is that the only idea of "God" you're aware of?Saying no just based on the fact that what makes us as humans so special that we live on in another realm after death? Only us would be so entitled that we believe everything that lives eventually dies and has no afterlife, but our spirits (whatever a spirit is) "lives" on in a "good place" or a "bad place" and if it's the "good place", we get to see our friends and family that died long ago. Has no one wondered why the idea of Heaven is calm, comforting, perfect, beautiful, while Hell is fire, pain, screaming, agony? I could come up with that storyline. God is a comfort tool and there's nothing wrong with that. We can't wrap our minds around impossible questions so it's simpler to manufacture an idea, call it God, and just say "God" whenever there's a complicated answer none of us can answer.