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Shocking. lolAccording to their lawsuit, this is how the vols want college football to operate
According to their lawsuit, this is how the vols want college football to operate
And $50 million for stadium upgrades.
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You mean head coaches use to not get paid? People used to not buy tickets to games? Oh how far we’ve fallen!NIL isn’t going anywhere
It’s not amateur athletics when coaches make $9 million a year and team revenue is over $200 million
The players are the ones driving that massive revenue
Why would someone donate that much money and want to keep it anonymous? It wouldn't surprise me if schools started spending their own money on players and claim it was from anonymous donors.
NIL isn’t going anywhere
It’s not amateur athletics when coaches make $9 million a year and team revenue is over $200 million
The players are the ones driving that massive revenue
It’s PFP (pay for play) not NIL. There are snapshots of true NIL in college sports, but major college football has mainly become PFP. The cat ain’t getting back in the box. College football is professional football for many of the players. Some just make a few thousand dollars. Others, evidently, make high 6 to 7 figures. And, everything in between.
No. The fans drive that massive revenue
Without the fans paying the tab where are they going to play, their backyard? No fans = no tv = no money = no players.ANd who do the fans show up to watch? Players drive the revenue, period.
I agree with almost everything you said but I’m not sure the portal provides a punchers chance. If the transfer is really skilled and developed nicely, they will command big bucks as well. Again the rich schools will prosperI am not sure it helps us or hurts us, we are a poor state and mostly focus on basketball so I think in the end it hurts us. Personally I am not interested in watching a sport with no salary cap and the richest team just gets to buy players over and over.
At least it is out in the open now, most of these teams were already doing it and getting away with it, add in the portal and that gives us a punchers chance.
But unless things change I think we will just see every money chunking program in the playoffs yearly with few exceptions.
I would rather play golf, at least I had a hand in the misery for that day.
Without the fans paying the tab where are they going to play, their backyard? No fans = no tv = no money = no players.
This will come to a head in less than three years. Either the government gets involved to "save armature athletics", or the players unionize and a cap is put into place just like the NFL.
I am not sure it helps us or hurts us, we are a poor state and mostly focus on basketball so I think in the end it hurts us. Personally I am not interested in watching a sport with no salary cap and the richest team just gets to buy players over and over.
At least it is out in the open now, most of these teams were already doing it and getting away with it, add in the portal and that gives us a punchers chance.
But unless things change I think we will just see every money chunking program in the playoffs yearly with few exceptions.
I would rather play golf, at least I had a hand in the misery for that day.
We have lost exactly one impact transfer since the advent of the portal, Justin Rogers, and he was hardly indispensable, and he had marginal impact at Auburn. We have also lost a few, but not too many, good players, who weren't getting regular playing time, that left and played well elsewhere- Christian Lewis for one. But Lewis is an example of rich getting richer, he went to Troy.I agree with almost everything you said but I’m not sure the portal provides a punchers chance. If the transfer is really skilled and developed nicely, they will command big bucks as well. Again the rich schools will prosper
Some like their privacy.Why would someone donate that much money and want to keep it anonymous?
Makes one wonder about how they will get their tax write-off if they hope to maintain the anonymity.Whomever handled the particulars of this donation majorly dropped the ball. The recent title 9 suit filed alleged school discrimination based on gender since nil was disproportionately going to males.
To get any traction, they had to argue (and must ultimately prove) the defendant school had dominion or control over who got the money.
We know it isn't supposed to be that way. We also know the school through it's coaches do direct payments. The difference is most everyone is careful enough to not leave such a trail. That donation was a lump sum donation split to the school and an nil fund. That should cause major issues if there is suit filed.
Also it's probably anonymous because it's surely a booster, which supposedly isn't allowed. But we all know there really aren't any rules so.
I agree that UK has actually be fitted from the portal thus far. However, as NIL goes further it will probably require more and more dollars that we can’t raise.We have lost exactly one impact transfer since the advent of the portal, Justin Rogers, and he was hardly indispensable, and he had marginal impact at Auburn. We have also lost a few, but not too many, good players, who weren't getting regular playing time, that left and played well elsewhere- Christian Lewis for one. But Lewis is an example of rich getting richer, he went to Troy.
Against that, we've gained Wandale, Levis, Rosenthal, Davis, Jacques, Keidron, Leary, M. Cox, etc, etc. I don't even like the portal, bur it has been very kind to us. Based on our '19 to '21 recruiting classes, we'd probably be at 12 wins at best over the last three years combined but for transfers.
I read once that donations to NIL collectives were not tax deductible. Obviously donations to schools for facilities, etc. are. I’m no tax lawyer so am not positive.Makes one wonder about how they will get their tax write-off if they hope to maintain the anonymity.
Makes one wonder about how they will get their tax write-off if they hope to maintain the anonymity.
NIL donations are not tax deductible even though they are 501c3's. The IRS released a memo and indicated anyone claiming tax deductions would be punished and same goes for the collectives when they get audited.Makes one wonder about how they will get their tax write-off if they hope to maintain the anonymity.
ANd who do the fans show up to watch? Players drive the revenue, period.
I agree that UK has actually be fitted from the portal thus far. However, as NIL goes further it will probably require more and more dollars that we can’t raise.
Nope. I show up to watch Kentucky. I don't go to Georgia to watch them play Alabama because that's the most talent on a football field, nor because they had the biggest named in their recruiting classes. Few people do that and they're mostly in the press or entertainment industry.
I go to watch THE Kentucky Wildcats. I don't start or stop because a kid comes or goes. The vast majority of fans are there because of the school, not the names on the back of the jerseys and to say otherwise is being willingly ignorant.
Just like people didn't stop going to see Star Wars or Marvel movies because an actor wasn't in the movies, people don't stop going to college football games because a player leaves the program.
Lot's of schools donate money to collectives. So they can skirt the rules and pay players. College sports are a joke.Why would someone donate that much money and want to keep it anonymous? It wouldn't surprise me if schools started spending their own money on players and claim it was from anonymous donors.
Who do the players play for? Who is coming to the games, buying tickets, merchandise, food, etc etc?ANd who do the fans show up to watch? Players drive the revenue, period.
That massive revenue pays for the entire team athletics program.NIL isn’t going anywhere
It’s not amateur athletics when coaches make $9 million a year and team revenue is over $200 million
The players are the ones driving that massive revenue
In a money race, UK will lose.
Agreed, but it’s new and its impact probably is not yet known.We have lost exactly one impact transfer since the advent of the portal, Justin Rogers, and he was hardly indispensable, and he had marginal impact at Auburn. We have also lost a few, but not too many, good players, who weren't getting regular playing time, that left and played well elsewhere- Christian Lewis for one. But Lewis is an example of rich getting richer, he went to Troy.
Against that, we've gained Wandale, Levis, Rosenthal, Davis, Jacques, Keidron, Leary, M. Cox, etc, etc. I don't even like the portal, bur it has been very kind to us. Based on our '19 to '21 recruiting classes, we'd probably be at 12 wins at best over the last three years combined but for transfers.
Your tax info is private, or should be. Your anonymous donations are not anonymous to the non-profit. You and I can make anonymous donations to non profits, but still have the documentation for tax purposes.Makes one wonder about how they will get their tax write-off if they hope to maintain the anonymity.
And once your name is out there you get hit up for everything coming and going even more for every cause or investment. What’s the saying? ‘There is always a good reason to spend money when it isnt your own’Some like their privacy.
That may in fact refute your argument. I think you are correct that players were often paid under the table. I lived next door to a sugar daddy for a well known university in the 1980’s. However, what they received was peanuts compared to today. it involved a free dinner, an occasional fifty or hundred and the like. I don’t think that the amounts would affect where a kid would choose to go. The coaches and programs determined these decisions. I now see guaranteed income deciding and thus, the rich will win most of the championshipsI don't know that richest alumni base = best players and titles. It hasn't in the previous eras when alumni could give for facilities, support resources, and staff salaries...and let's be honest under the table...pay for play has been going on forever.
Michigan has one of the richest alumni bases in the country including private schools. They have 2 football titles in 50 years and haven't done much in basketball.
Northwestern, up there as well. They have hedge fund wealth like you wouldn't believe, and actually spent it on one of the nicest facilities you'll see, right on Lake Michigan. Beautiful with a view and beach access. Where's all their elite talent and hardware?
Cal Berkely, Stanford, UVA, etc...the list goes on. The wealthiest largely have not dominated in sports.
Notre Dame, Miami, and USC have moments but considering their vast wealth, they should have more. Mostly football, not a lot of action in basketball.
Arkansas would/should have bigger better everything and more wins/hardware with all the Wal Mart heirs they have...and Jerry Jones.
Look at the states/schools who have a lot of the hardware and tradition. Kansas, North Carolina (Heels and Duke), Kentucky (cats and cards) ...tobacco road programs own basketball. Not really rich states or alumni bases compared to others.
Then in football you have Ohio St, Bama, UGA, Florida, Oklahoma, Clemson more recently, LSU.
I didn't say that I wanted them involved. Just that they would be. They started the whole mess so they will have to be the ones to amend the laws.You do realize the government getting involved is what has us in this spot. Don't want get political but what exactly has our government done in the last 199 years that leads you to believe they can take charge.