If we class action this can we get Butler another year?
Zakai Zeigler sues NCAA, seeking another year of eligibility.
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Well Butler had five years, but Almonor didn’t. I’ll take him back in a heartbeat.
That the NCAAs five to play 4 restricts his ability to earn. It’s Tennessee, not really Ziegler if you ask me. Tennessee and A&M have done more damage to college athletics than the original ruling. They both think they have the financial backing to win if no rules are present against buying players. It’s those morons that keep suing to break any rules put in place.
Fulkerson played during 3 different President terms at UT
Did he not get to play 4 seasons?
Or are they simply arguing there should be no eligibility limits?
EDIT: One additional point here. His ability to earn is SUPPOSED to be related to the value of his own name, image, and likeness. It’s not SUPPOSED to have anything to do with whether he plays basketball. The NCAA is telling him he is out of eligibility to play basketball. He remains free to market his name, image, and likeness for whatever it is worth in the open market, for as long as he wants.
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Get to stepping mini me. I heard McDonalds is hiring.
Zakai Zeigler files lawsuit seeking fifth year of eligibility
Tennessee Basketball's Zakai Zeigler is filing a lawsuit seeking a fifth year of eligibility to extend his college career.www.on3.com
I will keep saying this but when unlimited eligibility comes - and it will - it will destroy college athletics for good.
Which is why it should fail, at some point a set of rules has to be established and adhered to. Otherwise let’s just re recruit Wall and Cousins, or get someone who is still in shape like Nate Sestina, or Briscoe. Just ridiculous to me. Let’s call back Kellen Grady.
I mean, we're talking about one of the most corrupt states in the country politically at one point (they did clean it up a bit), their state troopers were at the center of a massive sex scandal in the 90's, a couple of their cities have become major crime issues, they were they original home of the KKK, AND their entire fan base is garbage.
Let's face it....that whole state SUCKS.
Do it. I'd love to see the SEC kick that trash program to the curb where it freaking belongs.
Butler has just as much right to another year as Zeigler under the current code. Love both Butler and Almonor but we could use Butler back a lot more.
There were some footballers that sued for extra years and won. I believe the difference was they played a year or two at the FCS level. So the judge basically said those years don't count.
The couple of players that have tried this before have all lost. But the timing might be right. The NCAA has to be a bit raw from all the legal spankings they have been taking lately.
Our old way just doesn't work anymore. We need to look at the European Club system and maybe divorce educational institutions from big time sports entertainment. They don't mesh now that the big money is out in the open.
The couple of players that have tried this before have all lost. But the timing might be right. The NCAA has to be a bit raw from all the legal spankings they have been taking lately.
Our old way just doesn't work anymore. We need to look at the European Club system and maybe divorce educational institutions from big time sports entertainment. They don't mesh now that the big money is out in the open.
If that’s the case then so does Williams, Brea and Carr. All those guys actually played five seasons of ball. Almonor and Zeigler only played four. So no Butler and the rest don’t have just as much right to have a sixth season of play (no redshirt years) to Zeiglers fifth. Almonor on the other hand would if Zeigler were to win the lawsuit.
The football players that won played JUCO ball, not FCS. They sued to not have JUCO seasons count against their eligibility. I assume that would apply to basketball players as well.
The other thing is that if a court hands down a ruling in favor of killing the "4 in 5" rule then you would have to think that gums up the works for younger players trying to get to Division 1 or elsewhere. That is just going to create a cascade of bad effects.
But I'm almost to the point where I say divorce athletics from schools entirely, at least at the university level because this is getting out of hand.
But I'm almost to the point where I say divorce athletics from schools entirely, at least at the university level because this is getting out of hand.
The logical implication of Zeigler winning this lawsuit could be that EVERYBODY would now be entitled to come back …regardless of whether they’ve played four or five seasons.
He’s bringing an unlawful restraint of trade cause of action. Which essentially means he’s challenging the NCAA’s basic right to regulate how long players can practice their “trade” of CBB. If the courts would buy his argument, then presumably a 6, 7 or 8 year rule would also be invalid. Such a ruling would be opening the door to unlimited eligibility.
But, thankfully, he will probably lose.
There is nothing preventing anyone from starting up a club system (e.g. G-league), or players choosing to play in such a system instead of playing college basketball.
Yet they CHOOSE to play college basketball. I don’t know why there can’t be some set of rules associated with this landscape within which everyone willfully chooses to participate.
I’m not opposed to a fifth year or kids being able to play even a sixth or seventh season if they can prove they are on track to earn a degree, Masters or PHD. Up to five years to get a bachelor’s degree, seven if you’re on track for a Masters degree or even eight years if on track for a PhD. Eligibility should align with the degree being sought.
Suddenly all scholarship athletes are enrolled in 7+ year doctoral degree programs. 😂
Earning a degree stopped having anything to do with any of this years ago.
A rule like that would just be perpetuating the laughable myth that these are legit college students. American universities already have way too many bogus no work undergrad courses to accommodate their jocks. We don’t need them also setting up fake PhD programs just so that stars can stick around for 8 years … which is exactly what would happen if we had that rule.
Yes, he does.
Because neither Butler nor Zeigler have any right to play another year at all under the current rules and the current rules can be changed or an exception can be made for Butler exactly as easily as the current rules can be changed or an exception can be made for Zeigler. And Butler back would be more useful to us than Amari, Koby, Ansley, or Andrew back. So obviously I had very good reasons for stating my original opinion and obviously I had better reasons for stating it than anything you’ve been able to come close to grasping so far.
All the same you’re perfectly welcome to have your own opinion and you’re perfectly welcome to state your own opinion as your own opinion. Or you can keep bitching about my opinion. I’m cool either way 👍🏻
Sure.
On the flip side, law suits cost money. Good lawyers are going to cost a lot of money. You're going to blow thousands, maybe upwards of 10 thousand on a case you're probably going to lose.
Absolutely true. But, I'm sure there was an arrangement about pay dependant on success. Or, Zeigler has the money to risk it.
I have mixed emotions with UT's lawsuits
I cheered them on when they took the NCAA to the SCOTUS the first time -
But now this?
Rocky Top needs to Simmah-Down-Nah
I cheered them on when they took the NCAA to the SCOTUS the first time -
But now this?
Rocky Top needs to Simmah-Down-Nah
I bet Meeks still has one good season in him
Damn I thought he had a future runningZakai Zeigler files lawsuit seeking fifth year of eligibility
Tennessee Basketball's Zakai Zeigler is filing a lawsuit seeking a fifth year of eligibility to extend his college career.
I still remember him throwing lob passes to Ernie and Bernie Grandfield.
That little MF is flying.Damn I thought he had a future running
Thats 100% correct, I mistated. Hopefully this will get thrown out. Either way, the system is broke when a coach can earn $3-5 M a year, college freshmen can pull $500K - $2M a year, the entire landscape is complete free agency for everyone AND the athletic depts are tax exempt and almost universally want to gaslight us into believing ..... they're all broke.
I'd sign up for that kind of poverty any day of the week.
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