Zags says Duke favorite for Barrett....

[gracetoyou]

Duke has been heavily involved for Barrett and is in regular contact, with one source saying it’s his “favorite school.”

Who would have thought? Is there any recruit under the sun that all analyst do not say that Duke is the favorite?

Duke has been past the sweet 16 five times since the year 2000 & and their players NBA success is a joke compared just to UK in the last 8 years.

I guess Team USA? I guess perception about Coach K rules the day? Perception is reality unfortunately!



http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/07/31/canadian-star-rj-barrett-targeting-reclass-announcement-august/

 

[Zjstep01]

Apparently they're the favorite for all the top 10 players

 

[Mr_GG]

I'm pretty sure that CoachX had something to say about the media always saying that Duke was leading for every recruit (and also Kansas to an extent). I believe he said that Duke and KU put out info that they are leading for many recruits whether it's true or not just to make themselves look good. He also said that Cal takes the opposite approach and downplays how well we're doing with a recruit.

Maybe I just dreamed that up or maybe CoachX wasn't the guy who said all this, but I remember reading something along those lines on CI at one time or another.

 

[uky8unc5]

Dook has earned part of their attraction to recruits.
But Espn's Hype-Machine covers up any and all of their sins and shortcomings.

 

[wentzel25]

Haven't they landed the entire top 50 for the past 30 years?

 

[ThroughBlue]

Duke better keep coach k frozen until the end of time because once he's gone they're gone

 

[Ryan Lemonds Diary]

Duke has been heavily involved for Barrett and is in regular contact, with one source saying it’s his “favorite school.”

Who would have thought? Is there any recruit under the sun that all analyst do not say that Duke is the favorite?

Duke has been past the sweet 16 five times since the year 2000 & and their players NBA success is a joke compared just to UK in the last 8 years.

I guess Team USA? I guess perception about Coach K rules the day? Perception is reality unfortunately!



http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/07/31/canadian-star-rj-barrett-targeting-reclass-announcement-august/

I hate Duke as much as anyone and love it when they flame out in the First Round but 3 of those 5 years they advanced past the Sweet 16 resulted in a Championship with 2 being in years we should have won it (2010 & 2015).

 

[Mike-D]

 

[gracetoyou]

I hate Duke as much as anyone and love it when they flame out in the First Round but 3 of those 5 years they advanced past the Sweet 16 resulted in a Championship with 2 being in years we should have won it (2010 & 2015).

Regardless....they've had more McDonald's all-americans than any SCHOOL in NCAA history, and it's not even close. To me, only advancing past sweet 16 five times in 18 seasons is a HUGE underachievement for one who is supposedly the best coach in college basketball.

I'm willing to bet if Cal is here another 10 seasons we will stumble upon 1-2 more championships. He's completed 8 seasons with one champioship & a couple of near misses. Will Cal be considered Coach K's equal if he wins 2 more over next 10 seasons? That would be equivalent of Duke's 3 championships over last 18....with all their talent. What if Cal wins 2 over the next 5 years...does it mean he's a better coach than Coach K?

I doubt Cal is here for 40 seasons like Coach K at Duke, but if he were I think he could win 5.

 

[gossie21]

Zags must have read on here about how Cal and Rowan don't like each other.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Ahhh bullshit. Not worried about Duke at all for recruits, especially this one. I have a good feeling about Barrett. Had a good feeling even before Matt Jones said he was coming here. If Duke offers a kid a scholarship, they are the leader by default apparently.

 

[Cat Ballou]

Where are all the Duke trolls who just last week were saying Zags had no Duke insider sources and knew nothing?

That was after he put out the "bad" news from "a Duke source" that Bagley probably wouldn't be able to reclassify.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

Duke has been heavily involved for Barrett and is in regular contact, with one source saying it’s his “favorite school.”

Who would have thought? Is there any recruit under the sun that all analyst do not say that Duke is the favorite?

Duke has been past the sweet 16 five times since the year 2000 & and their players NBA success is a joke compared just to UK in the last 8 years.

I guess Team USA? I guess perception about Coach K rules the day? Perception is reality unfortunately!



http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/07/31/canadian-star-rj-barrett-targeting-reclass-announcement-august/

Why does that matter so much to people. Honestly, until we started signing all of the top players, it never was a issue. Now that we sign so many future NBA players, we have made that part of our identity.

 

[Lovebaskelball]

Cal is an elite coach and is paid accordingly. Cal has not under achieved, just like K has not. Posters act like if you have a great regular season and then do not win the title or advance past the Sweet sixteen your season was a failure. Sorry but winning a title and advancing takes more than talent.

 

[BlueBlood66]

Where are all the Duke trolls who just last week were saying Zags had no Duke insider sources and knew nothing?

That was after he put out the "bad" news from "a Duke source" that Bagley probably wouldn't be able to reclassify.

Duke troll here who said that about Zags last week. I still believe he has no inside info and only posts stories for clicks. No idea where Barret would prefer to play college.

 

[mj2k10]

Regardless....they've had more McDonald's all-americans than any SCHOOL in NCAA history, and it's not even close. To me, only advancing past sweet 16 five times in 18 seasons is a HUGE underachievement for one who is supposedly the best coach in college basketball.

I'm willing to bet if Cal is here another 10 seasons we will stumble upon 1-2 more championships. He's completed 8 seasons with one champioship & a couple of near misses. Will Cal be considered Coach K's equal if he wins 2 more over next 10 seasons? That would be equivalent of Duke's 3 championships over last 18....with all their talent. What if Cal wins 2 over the next 5 years...does it mean he's a better coach than Coach K?

I doubt Cal is here for 40 seasons like Coach K at Duke, but if he were I think he could win 5.

UNC has had more Mickey D's all-time.

But you're right that 13 of 18 years failing to advance past the Sweet 16 is a pretty major underachievement. It's an example of how hard is is to define success with the tournament structure. Does 3 titles offset all the failure in those other years?

A lot of this comes down to a Dean Smith vs Bobby Knight argument. Even ignoring the last 7 years of Knight at IU, and the disgrace he's become since, Knight was very inconsistent. After his blistering first 5 years, from 77 through 93 he missed the tournament 3 times and lost in the first round 3 other times. IU lost at least 10 games 6 times. But Knight also added 2 titles to the one he got in 76.

Dean Smith, OTOH, pretty much won all the time for 30 years. There were no really bad seasons, and UNC had legit title hopes a huge chunk of that time. But of course, they only won it twice, the 2nd of those way late in Smith's run.

As much crap as Smith takes on this board, I still take that kind of tenure over someone like Knight. As a fan, you're happy and hopeful far more often with consistent success than you are hoping for the lightning strike season while wading through a lot of mediocrity and disappointment.

Duke is obviously different, given their consistent regular season success, but it's still been an all or nothing thing for them in terms of the tournament, especially in comparison to what Cal's done at UK.

 

[Willy4UK]

#fakenews

 

[LeonThe Camel]

Duke better keep coach k frozen until the end of time because once he's gone they're gone

That was said about UNC/Smith, didn't happen.
It was said about Kansas/Williams, didn't happen.
It was said about Louisville/Crum, didn't happen.
It was said about UCLA/Wooden, didn't happen
It was said about Indiana/Knight, sort of happened except 1997 and 2002.
Syracuse on launch pad. Temple left, St. Johns is trying to recoup, Notre Dame is standing pat (not surging/not failing).

 

[mj2k10]

That was said about UNC/Smith, didn't happen.
It was said about Kansas/Williams, didn't happen.
It was said about Louisville/Crum, didn't happen.
It was said about UCLA/Wooden, didn't happen
It was said about Indiana/Knight, sort of happened except 1997 and 2002.
Syracuse on launch pad. Temple left, St. Johns is trying to recoup, Notre Dame is standing pat (not surging/not failing).

Given UCLA's history post-Wooden, I would say it very much DID happen. OK, they have 1 title, and they've had periods of being really good, but all that means is that they haven't completely fallen off the face of the Earth (IU is much closer to that distinction).

UL had a long, long run of mediocrity from the end of Crum (which was an extended period) until Pitino really turned things around (which took longer than expected). And I think you have 87 and 97 mixed up with IU.

Duke likely won't fall off the face of the Earth when Krzyzewski leaves, but they're also highly unlikely to maintain where they're at now.

 

[gracetoyou]

Why does that matter so much to people. Honestly, until we started signing all of the top players, it never was a issue. Now that we sign so many future NBA players, we have made that part of our identity.

Uh....it matters to recruits! And since this thread is about a recruit & all it's pretty relevant.

Now, if your just a UK that doesn't give a crap about the player as long as they slave to win you a championship to satisfy your sports lust then I'm sure that kind of talk gets on your nerves.

If I were a medical student I think I'd look into what schools have greater percentages of their students succeeding. Why should basketball be different?

 

[gracetoyou]

That was said about UNC/Smith, didn't happen.
It was said about Kansas/Williams, didn't happen.
It was said about Louisville/Crum, didn't happen.
It was said about UCLA/Wooden, didn't happen
It was said about Indiana/Knight, sort of happened except 1997 and 2002.
Syracuse on launch pad. Temple left, St. Johns is trying to recoup, Notre Dame is standing pat (not surging/not failing).

You should change your username to Mr. Stirthepot or Mr. Contrary

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

That was said about UNC/Smith, didn't happen.
It was said about Kansas/Williams, didn't happen.
It was said about Louisville/Crum, didn't happen.
It was said about UCLA/Wooden, didn't happen
It was said about Indiana/Knight, sort of happened except 1997 and 2002.
Syracuse on launch pad. Temple left, St. Johns is trying to recoup, Notre Dame is standing pat (not surging/not failing).

When you can show evidence about all those programs and what people were saying, I'll believe you. It's easy to just say that.

 

[ThroughBlue]

That was said about UNC/Smith, didn't happen.
It was said about Kansas/Williams, didn't happen.
It was said about Louisville/Crum, didn't happen.
It was said about UCLA/Wooden, didn't happen
It was said about Indiana/Knight, sort of happened except 1997 and 2002.
Syracuse on launch pad. Temple left, St. Johns is trying to recoup, Notre Dame is standing pat (not surging/not failing).

Kansas has one title since and UNC has one title since. Not sure I follow.

 

[Cawood86]

Duke troll here who said that about Zags last week. I still believe he has no inside info and only posts stories for clicks. No idea where Barret would prefer to play college.

At least you're honest. I can respect that.

 

[Catzman]

Well hell, if WE cant get both Barrett and Reddish because they'll clash for PT and position, Duke cant either. Lets call it a draw and they take one and we'll take the other, or vice versa. Then well get Williamson to pair with the smarter of the 2.

 

[docholiday51]

We shouldn't be surprised,after all Knox signed with Duke...........uhh,oh wait.......he almost signed with Duke except for Cal and UK

 

[Sparkaces1]

Well hell, if WE cant get both Barrett and Reddish because they'll clash for PT and position, Duke cant either. Lets call it a draw and they take one and we'll take the other, or vice versa. Then well get Williamson to pair with the smarter of the 2.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. I think each will get one. The question is which will bet better for one year lol.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

We shouldn't be surprised,after all Knox signed with Duke...........uhh,oh wait.......he almost signed with Duke except for Cal and UK

The recruiting specialist say that Duke selects who they want and then throw the rest out to be fought over by other schools. So the Duke spin is they selected over Knox and allowed him to go to UK.

 

[CoachX11]

I don't agree that Duke leads.

Rarely do top players re-classify and not go to a UK/Duke type unless there is a family situation.

Duke may get him, but my coins are with UK right now. It's early still...

 

[brianpoe]

Why does that matter so much to people. Honestly, until we started signing all of the top players, it never was a issue. Now that we sign so many future NBA players, we have made that part of our identity.

It has always been an issue with the best players.

We didn't want to believe it prior to Cal because we were not a factor.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

I ain't skerred

Lol so they're gonna get bagley AND barret ?

Hell throw them Zion and Quickley too- we obviously have no chance since every player in the top 20'are "heavy heavy heavy Duke leans " I guess us, zone . UCLA, unc, FLA etc will just have to take the scraps left over from the duke recruitment tornado

 

[FrankUnderwood]

That being said , it would REALLY suck if they somehow got both bagley and barret on their squad nxt year . Won't happen- but would def suck

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Matt Jones said this morning that something came out indicating Bagley is not likely to be eligible. Couldn't find anything about that though. Anyone know?

 

[floatingyou]

Why does that matter so much to people. Honestly, until we started signing all of the top players, it never was a issue. Now that we sign so many future NBA players, we have made that part of our identity.

We? Louisville has only a couple of kids in the NBA. What are you talking about, Leon the Card

 

[LeonThe Camel]

Given UCLA's history post-Wooden, I would say it very much DID happen. OK, they have 1 title, and they've had periods of being really good, but all that means is that they haven't completely fallen off the face of the Earth (IU is much closer to that distinction).

UL had a long, long run of mediocrity from the end of Crum (which was an extended period) until Pitino really turned things around (which took longer than expected). And I think you have 87 and 97 mixed up with IU.

Duke likely won't fall off the face of the Earth when Krzyzewski leaves, but they're also highly unlikely to maintain where they're at now.

UCLA may have fallen a bit, but Brown had them in the title game within 4 years of Wooden leaving. The fall did not occur until after Brown left for the NBA.
IU made the Final Four in 97, at the end of Knights career, but Davis had them in the championship game 2 years after taking over.
The only time a team has been overly successful when an elite program transfers coaching duties has ever happened was when Tubby took over Pitino. But even then, there was a major drop off falling 98.
Bottom line, elite teams find ADs able to hire the right coach.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

When you can show evidence about all those programs and what people were saying, I'll believe you. It's easy to just say that.

Evidence is simple. None of those teams have fallen from the top of the game. Maybe for a few years here and there.

 

[mj2k10]

UCLA may have fallen a bit, but Brown had them in the title game within 4 years of Wooden leaving. The fall did not occur until after Brown left for the NBA.
IU made the Final Four in 97, at the end of Knights career, but Davis had them in the championship game 2 years after taking over.
The only time a team has been overly successful when an elite program transfers coaching duties has ever happened was when Tubby took over Pitino. But even then, there was a major drop off falling 98.
Bottom line, elite teams find ADs able to hire the right coach.

IU did not make the FF in 97. It was 92- 8 seasons before Knight was forced out.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

Kansas has one title since and UNC has one title since. Not sure I follow.

You do not think UNC and Kansas are elite teams.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

IU did not make the FF in 97. It was 93- 7 seasons before Knight was forced out.

Correct.

 

[DevilFan1989]

Calipari sold Knox on being able to play the 2 when Diallo was on the fence between leaving to the draft and coming back which is what pushed him UK's way. Knox wasn't going to take away playing time from Grayson Allen at the SG position.

Between Diallo, Knox, Washington, Vanderbilt and Gabriel...one of those 5 McDonald All Americans is going to be unhappy with their PT next year.