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I am amazed that the CJ printed this article. I am stunned that this is finally getting some press. I realize this is about the UL President, but this is just as relevant for UL athletics. Frankly, I am embarrassed as a tax payer in Kentucky. What is super embarrassing is that James Ramsey is paid more than any ACC President. Yes, even more than the Duke President. You read that right. Even though Duke has 100 times more money.

My guess is that in the not to distant future there will be a house cleaning at UL. I am amazed at how focused UK is on improving the actual university as compared to UL, who seems to focus on executive compensation and athletics.

I am amazed that the BOT's at UL and the big time supporters go along with this stuff. This is nothing more than organizational incest. Really the entire BOT should be replaced and they need to get a president with the right focus. With that kind of pay scale maybe they can lure someone away from an ACC school that understands top notch universities. UL should be a better school that it is with the corporate support they receive.

When was the last time you heard about any initiative at UL other than compensation or athletic facilities?

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...07/10/ramseys-pay-dwarfs-others-acc/29974859/
 
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President Ramsey is grossly under paid IMO for what he's accomplished in building the Belknap campus from a commuter campus to a beautiful live-on campus and now part of the ACC.
 
The story that needs to be written to go with this is how they strong armed businesses to give up land for close to nothing. They used the EPA as their tool to shut down businesses if they wanted the land to expand their campus. They used political strength to take building they wanted by rezoning them. They used police to cover up crime waves that run thru the school and athletic program. They use the court system to make plea deals that would never happen other places. They use tax money to buy yachts, luxury cars, houses and now arenas.

The illegal activity that goes into the "fund" raising that they force business to give in order to stay open is worse than that of the mafia or right in line with the mafia. They follow the orders of a centralized thug atmosphere much like the mafia and they use force when necessary if you trust the rumors.

The actions that have allowed them to grow the campus to what it is today will be documented in the future and will lead to prosecutions when the time comes and they cant afford to keep paying off all the thugs who are a part of this complex web of lies and illicit activity. When the dike opens be ready for the flood waters.

No way that campus goes from dirty rocks to what it is today without all the payoffs.
 
mwatson61 said:
President Ramsey is grossly under paid IMO for what he's accomplished in building the Belknap campus from a commuter campus to a beautiful live-on campus and now part of the ACC.
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Ramsey has failed from an academic perspective. The med school continues to decline and may lose accreditation. He touts things, but overall academics have not improved much, if at all. Between UL and UK, UK really did a much better job attracting the best students from the state this year. And, I believe the money that is reported is not the whole picture. Did not read the article, but it is my understanding that he has other sources of pay.
 
How much money does UL receive from the State? I think the athletic department gets 11 million a year don't they?
 
dorkmeister said:
The story that needs to be written to go with this is how they strong armed businesses to give up land for close to nothing. They used the EPA as their tool to shut down businesses if they wanted the land to expand their campus. They used political strength to take building they wanted by rezoning them. They used police to cover up crime waves that run thru the school and athletic program. They use the court system to make plea deals that would never happen other places. They use tax money to buy yachts, luxury cars, houses and now arenas.

The illegal activity that goes into the "fund" raising that they force business to give in order to stay open is worse than that of the mafia or right in line with the mafia. They follow the orders of a centralized thug atmosphere much like the mafia and they use force when necessary if you trust the rumors.

The actions that have allowed them to grow the campus to what it is today will be documented in the future and will lead to prosecutions when the time comes and they cant afford to keep paying off all the thugs who are a part of this complex web of lies and illicit activity. When the dike opens be ready for the flood waters.

No way that campus goes from dirty rocks to what it is today without all the payoffs.
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Dork, you live in a strange world.
 
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almost every p5 ath dept gives huge to the school. i think UK gives around $1.5million/year, osu gives $9mill/year, and i think texas is upwards of $10million/year.

building aside, from the belknap campus.... they are ranked right beside morehead state academically. moreheads president makes about $345,000/year.

UL is having fun spending other people's money right now but i think its gonna come back to bite the city in the ass. it won't hurt ul personally but the city is losing tax revenue and paying wayyy too much to the school.
 
Caveman Catfan said:
Ramsey has failed from an academic perspective. The med school continues to decline and may lose accreditation. He touts things, but overall academics have not improved much, if at all. Between UL and UK, UK really did a much better job attracting the best students from the state this year. And, I believe the money that is reported is not the whole picture. Did not read the article, but it is my understanding that he has other sources of pay.
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I'm inclined to agree with you Caveman... Actually I'm inclined to agree with much that is said about UofL that's negative.... About the only thing positive I have to say is that their sports teams do well... I live here and this City is turning onto a dump... Streets are terrible... They should be mowing the sidewalks in this town... But UofL sure does play on fine fields and in nice arenas... Professors scam the City, State and University on a regular basis and they pay hush money to anyone that might have a story... If I had a kid that wanted a good education UofL would be one of the last places I'd send them...........
 
DACats86 said:
I'm not sure this is true. Actually, I think it's pretty rare when the athletic dept. gives to the academics.
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I don't know how rare it is, but the ex president at UGA made sure the athletic department was "donating" 4-5mil per year to the academic side. That was one of the big reasons UGA had no indoor practice facility until now, or in the process of getting built. What we had was a 20 X80 yard facility that wasn't big enough to do anything other than drills. If weather was bad, we had to stay there or try to work a practice in at the Falcon's indoor facility.
 
DACats86 said:
I'm not sure this is true. Actually, I think it's pretty rare when the athletic dept. gives to the academics.
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for colleges in general that is correct but most, not all, power 5 conf teams make so much money that they actually pay money to the school in the form of, higher tuition, higher dorm fees, scholarship donations, and flat out lump sum checks.

the accounting for such things are done very differently between schools and you would need an outside auditor to determine how truthful a lot of these #'s really are. it also depends on if all athletes are "charged" out of state or in state prices for a scholly. i know that osu's athletic budget doesn't show much of a profit because almost all their excess money is donated back to the school and the athletic dept is so well backed by donors. UK gives over $1million to the school but receives around $800,000 subsidy. ul takes a couple million from the school each year and gets a $7.7 million subsidy on top of that.
 
Benz pointing to the CBS conclusion about UL sports is a bit sad. No doubt the president presides over athletics, but saying that in defense of his enormous salary is pathetic. Not smart.
 
Caveman Catfan said:
Benz pointing to the CBS conclusion about UL sports is a bit sad. No doubt the president presides over athletics, but saying that in defense of his enormous salary is pathetic. Not smart.
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Agree, any Board member citing the athletics department as justification for this pay should immediately be removed.
 
I agree, he is grossly overpaid but Benz has a point about the longevity of Ramsey in accordance to his salary w other Presidents. I think it still has to be a bitter pill for students to take when they hear about tuition raises when even a 1/4 of a salary cut could make a major difference. Let's not kid ourselves here. I lost all respect for Ramsey with the Pitino Sypher deal. To basically just shrug his shoulders at that shows athletics come #1 at UL and why shouldn't it if you are UL. You have an AD that is a win at all cost type guy and that has lead UL to a Power 5 conference with new facilities in tow. No matter what is written, there isn't much stink over it bc the majority of UL students care something about athletics. Even with the Med school feeling the pressure, the Dental school is top ranked, the Speed school continues to be strong. With athletics across the board hanging strong, their won't be much uprise from the students. As long as they stay happy and the board stays happy, Ramsey will continue to cash a paycheck from UL. Fair or unfair.
 
Is the speed school as good as everyone in Louisville makes it out to be?
 
Despite the consultant finds, the compensation committee of the school's Board of Trustees recommended today to give Ramsey a 6% raise and a 25% bonus (from the foundation). Geee, what a joke UL is.

UL is not going to pay attention to anyone and 'screw' the students in the process
 
hmt5000 said:
Is the speed school as good as everyone in Louisville makes it out to be?
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No, it's regarded as a terrible engineering program nationally. It's not even ABET accredited so Louisville forces you to get a masters degree in order to obtain a PE license.
 
canebreak said:
I am amazed that the CJ printed this article. I am stunned that this is finally getting some press. I realize this is about the UL President, but this is just as relevant for UL athletics. Frankly, I am embarrassed as a tax payer in Kentucky. What is super embarrassing is that James Ramsey is paid more than any ACC President. Yes, even more than the Duke President. You read that right. Even though Duke has 100 times more money.

My guess is that in the not to distant future there will be a house cleaning at UL. I am amazed at how focused UK is on improving the actual university as compared to UL, who seems to focus on executive compensation and athletics.

I am amazed that the BOT's at UL and the big time supporters go along with this stuff. This is nothing more than organizational incest. Really the entire BOT should be replaced and they need to get a president with the right focus. With that kind of pay scale maybe they can lure someone away from an ACC school that understands top notch universities. UL should be a better school that it is with the corporate support they receive.

When was the last time you heard about any initiative at UL other than compensation or athletic facilities?

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...07/10/ramseys-pay-dwarfs-others-acc/29974859/
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I'll bite on this one as I am a UK fan, but a U of L grad. James Ramsey has been one of the best University presidents in the country for U of L. They have increased their rankings in almost every category in US News College rankings. He also just finished a $1 Billion dollar fundraising drive for U of L and if you didn't know before reading my post, a college presidents #1 job is to raise funds and they are often paid a cut off of what they bring in. That is why he gets paid a lot, and this has nothing to do with being a taxpayer, just like the U of L athletic department salaries and spending, their athletic department is profitable as a stand alone entity.
 
UL is on an incredible roll athletically, Ramsey is very safe in his job. When you make the list of being both, a powerhouse in basketball and certainly approaching said status in football, things are going awfully well. UL has two of the premier coaches in Petrino and Pitino...it's good to be Louisville.

UL has important and influential donors, think Papa John, who will donate big money at a moments notice to support and prop up large coaching salaries. UK looks like small ball with their small football salaries...it shows they really only care about basketball. UK has always been that way though, nothing surprising.
 
td75 said:
UL is on an incredible roll athletically, Ramsey is very safe in his job. When you make the list of being both, a powerhouse in basketball and certainly approaching said status in football, things are going awfully well. UL has two of the premier coaches in Petrino and Pitino...it's good to be Louisville.

UL has important and influential donors, think Papa John, who will donate big money at a moments notice to support and prop up large coaching salaries. UK looks like small ball with their small football salaries...it shows they really only care about basketball. UK has always been that way though, nothing surprising.
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So says the troll apparently making post #1 after 12 years. Only those who engage in willful self-deception think the way you do.
 
somewhat different note...Papalino's and Bearno's were forced out of the area by UL and Papa Johns. I'm not sure there is direct evidence, but it's pretty amazing that all Pizza places around campus, except for Papa Johns, had their ability to take UL meal cards revoked...The stories are there for the reporter who wants to dig them up.
 
td75 said:
UL is on an incredible roll athletically, Ramsey is very safe in his job. When you make the list of being both, a powerhouse in basketball and certainly approaching said status in football, things are going awfully well. UL has two of the premier coaches in Petrino and Pitino...it's good to be Louisville.

UL has important and influential donors, think Papa John, who will donate big money at a moments notice to support and prop up large coaching salaries. UK looks like small ball with their small football salaries...it shows they really only care about basketball. UK has always been that way though, nothing surprising.
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They have two TOTALLY scumbag, slim balls as coaches and you are a TOTAL idiot if you think otis is fast approaching "powerhouse" status in football...
 
td75 said:
UL is on an incredible roll athletically, Ramsey is very safe in his job. When you make the list of being both, a powerhouse in basketball and certainly approaching said status in football, things are going awfully well. UL has two of the premier coaches in Petrino and Pitino...it's good to be Louisville.

UL has important and influential donors, think Papa John, who will donate big money at a moments notice to support and prop up large coaching salaries. UK looks like small ball with their small football salaries...it shows they really only care about basketball. UK has always been that way though, nothing surprising.
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They overpaid their DC and other than that UK is spending a little bit more than them in all sports. We just started improvements that will have our facilities ranked top 5 to 10 in the nation.

UK us doing more right now than ul, both campus and athletics. It was a little late on football but you have obviously never been to UK's campus. Everything about it better than ul's.

Also UK does not have 2 scumbags as the face of the university. It's not really good to b ul outside Louisville.
 
Wish you guys would get your facts straight. Ramsey is paid based on the billion dollars he raised. Admitted it, you can stand the fact that UofL is rising in every category. ACT scores are increasing, acceptance rates improving, MBA team just won 1st place in Austin, graduation rates improving in all sectors, etc.
 
I guess all of those other schools' presidents raised no money and have had less academic achievements during their tenure. Wow. Why did the CJ publish this article? Damn Urinal, always out to make UL look bad. LOL
 
Before Ramsey was at UL, the med school was nationally recognized. UK is now way out in front of UL. And, not sure how ACT scores could go down. Did any school see a drop in avg ACT during this stretch of time?
 
Academically, UofL rose moderately in US News rankings from 2010 to 2014. They rose from 176 to 161 in that time. They are ranked ahead of WVU, so they've got that.

But they've improved their campus a lot, grown their endowment to a reasonable level, and joined the ACC which will improve their image a bit with prospective students. And it's a huge improvement from where they were when they joined the state system and were about to close their doors altogether.
 
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Wish you guys would get your facts straight. Ramsey is paid based on the billion dollars he raised. Admitted it, you can stand the fact that UofL is rising in every category. ACT scores are increasing, acceptance rates improving, MBA team just won 1st place in Austin, graduation rates improving in all sectors, etc.
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MBA team? Jesus you guys have no clue. The hospital and the speed school was what ul was known for and they both regressed. But he raised money and built buildings so let's pay him wayyy more than market ... talking about facts. You know that the university bought property for private Co's to rent which means that Co's are operating without property taxes because of ul exempt status. The city is getting worked by the university.

ul's business program is $32,000/year and ranked 70th. there are 14 cheaper schools in the top 50. again, do the math, you're students and city are getting screwed.
 
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SMPLLFE111 said:
Wish you guys would get your facts straight. Ramsey is paid based on the billion dollars he raised. Admitted it, you can stand the fact that UofL is rising in every category. ACT scores are increasing, acceptance rates improving, MBA team just won 1st place in Austin, graduation rates improving in all sectors, etc.
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Huh?
 
SMPLLFE111 said:
Wish you guys would get your facts straight. Ramsey is paid based on the billion dollars he raised. Admitted it, you can stand the fact that UofL is rising in every category. ACT scores are increasing, acceptance rates improving, MBA team just won 1st place in Austin, graduation rates improving in all sectors, etc.
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Oh, okay. Say what!
 
Kind of amazed but really not surprised at the misdirection and misinformation here. When I went there in the '80s UL was a mess. Teachers used english as a second language. The student facilities were embarrassing. UL has transformed itself from a gravel parking lot to an ACC power 5 school basically since Ramsey took over. Everywhere on campus there is growth, new buildings, excitement. A real energy, and a big college feel. UL has moved up in virtually every academic standard. I would think that as Kentuckians we could be proud that both our academic institutions are world class. Be happy that your children have options. Come on, sports are entertainment, a diversion. When we have good secondary education we have a better workforce, and a better state.
 
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