I don’t think it’s a fair question. How many NBA titles would Phil Jackson have won at Chicago without Jordan? Or Kobe at LA?
Would Bill Bilechick still be a HOF coach without Brady?
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He's also never had an elite receiving corp that could make any QB look good in his non-Brady years.
Answer: Neither would be as good without the other, but both would have likely been HOF either way.
Brady: Clear to all that his innate QB talent would have made him a top QB performer regardless....barring early-career injury of course.
Belichick: Probably more than any other sport, coaching is of premium importance in the NFL. Why? WIth the draft setup, parity is a reality and the talent differential team-to-team is razor thin for the most part. Having a HC that can work with the GM/be the GM, assess talent, work in the salary cap, understand free agency, grab key players for only a year of two sometimes, assimilate different professional players every year and WIN....is a big big deal and a rare talent to be found in HC's. Belichick was the master at reconfiguring a team and assembling talent to make a run in the playoffs nearly every year.
Final stats if separated in their careers:
GBB!
Brady: Clear to all that his innate QB talent would have made him a top QB performer regardless....barring early-career injury of course.
Belichick: Probably more than any other sport, coaching is of premium importance in the NFL. Why? WIth the draft setup, parity is a reality and the talent differential team-to-team is razor thin for the most part. Having a HC that can work with the GM/be the GM, assess talent, work in the salary cap, understand free agency, grab key players for only a year of two sometimes, assimilate different professional players every year and WIN....is a big big deal and a rare talent to be found in HC's. Belichick was the master at reconfiguring a team and assembling talent to make a run in the playoffs nearly every year.
Final stats if separated in their careers:
- TB: I think TB is HOF regardless. How many SBs? Who knows...probably less than his run with BB. Dan Marino was a pretty fine HOF QB and won zero. Give Marino a consistent talent like BB in the HC spot and he likely brings home one or more Lombardi trophies. But remember.....for Brady to show-out, he has to stay healthy and that is an all hands effort with HC and GM talent management, complementary skill players, line play, decent D to balance the O, etc.
- BB: BB could also make HOF without Brady winning 10+ games per year and making deep runs into playoffs. How many SBs? Who knows but probably less than his patriots/Brady gig. But, on any other team, BB would need at least a decent GM and the latitude to influence talent management to succeed. If he signed onto the Detroit Lions or Cleveland Browns...no amount of HC prowess can overcome a stint with the Lie-downs or Clowns.
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And that is more of the point I was making that sometimes paths that cross can change the trajectory of a coach or players career.
It's just a hypothetical question that I found interesting after reading of Bill's record without Tom in the lineup.
I agree but did those WR's flourish because of Bill's playbook or because Brady was throwing the ball to them? I would say both things contributed but the man actually throwing the ball is more important.
Alot of the offensive assistants went elsewhere but I don't recall them having any real success.
The NFL needs to FINALLY admit they effed up here.
www.yahoo.com
As new Deflategate details emerge, this remains the same: NFL owes Tom Brady an apology
If Goodell wants to honor Brady upon his retirement, then he should use Super Bowl week to apologize to him and admit the farce of Deflategate.
www.yahoo.com
That’s a damn good article.The NFL needs to FINALLY admit they effed up here.
As new Deflategate details emerge, this remains the same: NFL owes Tom Brady an apology
If Goodell wants to honor Brady upon his retirement, then he should use Super Bowl week to apologize to him and admit the farce of Deflategate.
Goodell having to hand the Super Bowl trophy to the Pats after that was priceless.The NFL needs to FINALLY admit they effed up here.
As new Deflategate details emerge, this remains the same: NFL owes Tom Brady an apology
If Goodell wants to honor Brady upon his retirement, then he should use Super Bowl week to apologize to him and admit the farce of Deflategate.
This also shows how media will run with whatever propaganda and lies intentionally fed to them in a way to craft the narrative and skew public opinion. These sources are always “anonymous” too so you can’t challenge the allegation.
A 45-7 victory being chalked up to “slightly less air pressure” in the ball was pure idiocy.
Deflategate is why I hate the two weeks in between the conference championship and the Super Bowl because of the relentless media coverage of some storyline.
But Bradshaw gets hardly any credit for those SB wins. Different game back then but the defense, which was great, and the RBs get more credit than Bradshaw.
It's a great great question. I don't think there's an absolute inclusive answer though to the question....but certainly worth pondering.
I think if you look at any great coaching legends of the past they all have been blessed with great players at some point.
But to the defense of Belicheck or Saban or Lombardi, etc., they deserve credit in knowing how to best utilize those enormous talents and how to keep them motivated to play at an exceptional level and how to mesh them best in all ways with the other players surrounding them.
You can turn the question just as easy the other way: Does Brady go into the HOF as a unanamous 1st timer and the GOAT of all NFL QBs if he doesn't play 20 of his 22 years with Belicheck? That's every bit as much a fair question. By the time Brady arrived in Tampa he had 20 years worth of confidence, of discipline, of genius in playing for Belicheck.
Do all the great college players and 1st round picks Saban has produced at Alabama become that if they played somewhere else than for Saban? I bet some absolutely would but I bet some absolutely would not have.
Do the Green Bay Packers dominate the game as they did with Lombardi under any other coach not named Lombardi? Maybe.....but most likely would say definitely not.
At the end of the day, the players are the ones achieving it on the field. As a coach, you can assemble the team and try to put them in the best position but ultimately, they’re the ones making the plays.
I put a lot more stock into football coaching than I do coaching in basketball. A few players can completely control a game where as in football there is way more strategy involved.
I say this as someone who mostly coached basketball and coached football briefly.
I put a lot more stock into football coaching than I do coaching in basketball. A few players can completely control a game where as in football there is way more strategy involved.
I say this as someone who mostly coached basketball and coached football briefly.
i think this question can be asked of a lot of coaches
would Reeves be a HOF coach without Elway
would Reeves be a HOF coach without Elway
Yeah that one time they found that football with a bit air in it than normal, or that one or two brief times clips from a visitor practice completely means neither would have been successful otherwise. LOL.
C'mon, you are one of these guys who automatically dislikes anyone whose ever been very successful at what they've done. I'm sure you give zero credit to Saban too, or Coach K, or any number of others.
Jokes on you because I still don't know how to spell it without googling it. 😂
Ohh you really burned me there. I mean if I cared enough about him I would learn it or if I was a Patriots fan I would learn it. However I am neither and don't give a big 💩 but carry on your spelling bee sheriff duties.
Not spelling bee duties. If you're going to care enough about a topic to start a thread on it then try not to display you know absolutely nothing about it in the process right off the bat. You got started on the wrong foot now you're trying to cry your way out of it like you don't care, but yet here is this thread about a HOF coach whose name you can't spell wondering if he would be HOF without his HOF QB, which in and of itself is a dumb topic that you could ask about almost any coach in history. So it goes deeper than spelling with you. Much deeper, yet more shallow somehow.
As much as that ball scored in the first half(35 pts) it probably should have been flat-I know I would have lol
Not knowing how to spell an uncommon name has nothing to do with knowing football or starting a conversation. Dear Lord you are an insufferable human being and my life will be better with you on ignore. I don't know why I bother giving people who live to be nothing but the biggest douchebag on the board a chance and really should just ignore them off the bat. Have fun being miserable Sheriff Spelling Bee.
I have no dog in the hunt on this argument between you and Creed, but the more I read the more I suspect he once stole your wife or girlfriend or made you look wimpy at the gym? Seriously dude, what's your deal?
You don't know anything about me and I ain't wasting time caring what you think
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