With the additions of Humphries and Wynyard and assuming Skal is eligible
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UL should be preseason #1, they have 7-8 future pros on that team. no one else in the country has that kind of talent.
I think so, only because I don't see the hype with UNC or Maryland.
There's a reason they have so many players back from last year...they all suck.
There's a reason they have so many players back from last year...they all suck.
UNC should be really good. marshall, jackson, johnson are all legit players. its a down year....if roy isnt successful with this group.....
We should be as no one has the talent we have as we have 3 of the first 10 picks in next years draft plus guys like Poy , Lee , Humphries , Matthews and Ulis . But i think the media will give it to UNC and we will be 2 to start . Not that it matters at all.
Not saying they won't be good...but we are looking at 3 lottery picks in our starting 5.
Sentiment is there but assuming "Marshall" is actually "Paige".
Think people on bullish because they anticipate Jackson, Berry, and Pinson taking big leaps. All have potential. Should be a good team but we'll see.
dont really disagree with that. i'll go one further in that i think skal and murray will go 1-2 in the draft. we could have the nations best PG, wing player, and big man. not sure another team can claim that.
but if ever experience is going to account for something....its going to be this year when there isnt a lot of new great talent coming in. jackson should be a dominating force this year.
Why do you keep bringing up that Skal is questionable about being eligible? It's utter nonsense. Of course, anybody who is a still a fan of Kyle Wiltjer is probably lacking of simple logic anyway. Carry on. A true fool is one who either tells himself things that he wants to hear or things that he is afraid of.
Not true, they historically do. It's harder to climb the ladder than to fall down it. Better to be ranked high with more leeway than low and have to claw your way up. Seeding is important, as are regional sites. Rankings have a profound effect on both. In fact, rankings are the best barometer for seeding historically.
I want to be #1 the first week, in the last week, and in every week in between.
How do you know? So it's better to drop to a #2 or #3 seed? It's better to lose games? But, hey, I've always THOUGHT the object of basketball was to WIN the damn game. Or,at least try to, and hope for.
Figured that was who they were referring to. Thought I saw he was like top 20 or something.
Interesting. They are seeding the tourney off of preseason polls now? Awarding wins and losses before the games are played? When did that start?
Saves money on travel expense, I suppose.
I'd agree with you but according to Alumni Gym they are seeding the tournament based on the preseason polls and may be determining the won loss record on those polls. This was news to me. Maybe he can enlighten us on where he's learned this.
Makes that preseason stuff a lot more important.
the same could be said for BBM. lets cancel that.
being #1 no matter the part of the season. is a good thing. it measures where you are as a program and can be used as a recruiting tool.
I'm. It going to say I'd rather not be #1 but after last year I'll go ahead and say I'd rather lose a game before the tournament.
Whatever floats your boat. Preseason ranking #1 in football is the kiss of death. Not a whole lot better in basketball though there is a little better correlation with final 4. Not sure there's much correlation with BBM at all, but that's just a show and not a poll.
Or didn't you know that?
Marcus Paige is one of the most overrated college players in recent history. Not uncommon for that to happen at UNC, they have a long list of such players, beginning with Hansbrough. Yes, I know Tyler Hansbrough was a great college basketball player, but the media slobbered all over him when it was pretty easy to see him for what he was. Is Nate Britt still there? If so, has he decided if he is right or left handed yet? Justin Jackson is a nice prospect, I see him making the jump with Tokoto out of the picture, and he had a very solid freshman campaign. Pinson and Berry were overrated coming out of high school and just about everyone knew it. I'm sure they've improved, but they do not scare me.
In combining talent and experience, it would be easy to make the argument that Brice Johnson and Kennedy Meeks make up the best starting frontcourt in college basketball. I'll take Labissiere and Poythress over those two though, but that could be my bias showing. I believe Labissiere will be the best frontcourt player in the Nation by March, and by then we assume Poythress will be 100%. I really like what a senior Poythress can potentially give us in March, I wouldn't trade that for anything really.
Beyond that Isiah Hicks provides very solid frontcourt depth, I think he'll take another step this season. Joel James gives you a big body, 10 minutes, and 5 fouls. It's a deep team, they have quality depth, and everyone should have improved over last season whether it's a major or minor improvement. They don't have much coming in, I could see Williams cracking the rotation early as a shooter, but if the shots aren't falling, there are more experienced guards that will absorb those minutes.They're going to be better than last year, no doubt, but they lost 12 games last season so there's really nowhere to go but up, given they have an added year of experience and the overall talent level of college basketball is a step down from last season.
They will win a ton of games, their OOC schedule is pretty cake. The Maryland game will be a great game to watch. They won't be tested much beyond that, I see them dispatching Texas and UCLA maybe not easily, but somewhat handily. The ACC looks pretty formidable again this year, I'd expect them to drop 3 to 5 games in conference. They've still got alot to prove. I don't know how they were a 4 seed last season, when we were an 8 seed the year before after a similar season. Thats a laugh, I actually know exactly how that happened, its called uninhibited bias. They finish out the season 9-8, but got the benefit of the doubt for some reason. UK finished out 13-14 with an 11-6 record over the last 17 games, with 3 of the losses against Florida, who was ranked as the number 1 team in the Nation in 2 of those games, and we got an 8th seed.
In combining talent and experience, it would be easy to make the argument that Brice Johnson and Kennedy Meeks make up the best starting frontcourt in college basketball. I'll take Labissiere and Poythress over those two though, but that could be my bias showing. I believe Labissiere will be the best frontcourt player in the Nation by March, and by then we assume Poythress will be 100%. I really like what a senior Poythress can potentially give us in March, I wouldn't trade that for anything really.
Beyond that Isiah Hicks provides very solid frontcourt depth, I think he'll take another step this season. Joel James gives you a big body, 10 minutes, and 5 fouls. It's a deep team, they have quality depth, and everyone should have improved over last season whether it's a major or minor improvement. They don't have much coming in, I could see Williams cracking the rotation early as a shooter, but if the shots aren't falling, there are more experienced guards that will absorb those minutes.They're going to be better than last year, no doubt, but they lost 12 games last season so there's really nowhere to go but up, given they have an added year of experience and the overall talent level of college basketball is a step down from last season.
They will win a ton of games, their OOC schedule is pretty cake. The Maryland game will be a great game to watch. They won't be tested much beyond that, I see them dispatching Texas and UCLA maybe not easily, but somewhat handily. The ACC looks pretty formidable again this year, I'd expect them to drop 3 to 5 games in conference. They've still got alot to prove. I don't know how they were a 4 seed last season, when we were an 8 seed the year before after a similar season. Thats a laugh, I actually know exactly how that happened, its called uninhibited bias. They finish out the season 9-8, but got the benefit of the doubt for some reason. UK finished out 13-14 with an 11-6 record over the last 17 games, with 3 of the losses against Florida, who was ranked as the number 1 team in the Nation in 2 of those games, and we got an 8th seed.
Look at the historical indicators of seeding throughout the the years. The polls are almost pretty close to being spot on. One only has to look at the history of the NCAA Tournament since 1979 to see this. Jon Scott has even gone on record and said this on this very board. It's no mystery. It's right there in front of your face, if you care to research it.
whats the correlation since apparently you know for sure? and what is the correlation of teams not ranked #1 who dont make the final four? that math is pretty easy to do actually.
maybe just maybe there is no correlation to any of this so it doesnt matter at all. which is probably the case.
I could see the media ranking UNC or Maryland at #1. Those writers tend to overvalue returning players, I guess because they have seen them in action.
Regardless. the top 5 should be UK, UNC, Maryland, KU, and Duke, IMHO.
Regardless. the top 5 should be UK, UNC, Maryland, KU, and Duke, IMHO.
Wish I wasn't on my phone. Good question and I'd like to post more.
Some correlation with final four post season finish. If you want to win it all, high ranking is good preseason. #1 preseason, not so much.
It's largely about fan bragging rights.
A preseason #1 is actually the FIRST poll of the season, and yes it IS a good indicator of a team ending being in contention for a Final Four or NCAA Championship. Like I said, look up NCAA Tournament history, either from 1949-on or 1979-on (when seeding the Regions started) and you will see this.
Being ranked #1 at the start in basketball is not much different than it is in football. If you start at #1, chances are you will fall no lower than a #2 seed. Like I said, simply look at the data. Like it or not, the polls are consistently more accurate in predicting seeding.
I bet Kentucky will be #1 and UNC #2.
Louisville and IU check in at # 340 and # 341 respectively.
Louisville and IU check in at # 340 and # 341 respectively.
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