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Will 12 team playoff backfire as it has in baseball

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All three of the best teams got beat the first weekend . The MLB season means nothing . All in the name of greedy attempts to maximize profits .
Will the same thing happen in college football rendering the season meaningless.
 
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All three of the best teams got beat the first weekend . The MLB season means nothing . All in the name of greedy attempts to maximize profits .
Will the same thing happen in college football rendering the season meaningless.
I don't particularly like the 12 team playoff, but the only way it will really backfire will be the yearly curb stomp of a midmajor. There still might be an occasional upset in the playoff, but No. 1 will still beat No. 10 85% to 90% of the time. Whereas in baseball a crap team can win a series against a good team often enough where it's not a big deal. The Reds swept both of the ALCS teams.
 
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I suspect more eyes were on and more interest was shown in baseball in September than in the last 40 years.

Would Cincy have sat 40k their last two weekends if not for being on the cusp of that last wildcard slot?

The season is not meaningless. But the better teams better bring it and not rest on their laurels from the regular season!!

Football is a far more predictable game than baseball.

Something about swinging a round bat at a round ball makes baseball an unpredictable game!!
 
I think 12 is too many (I wanted 8) but I think the ideal number of teams in the postseason is going to vary based on the number of teams in the league and the number of games played. In baseball, you only have 30 teams and they all play 162 games. That sort of a season should weed out most teams and only leave the elite few to compete in a playoff. College football has somewhere north of 100 teams that play 12 games each. Most of the top teams haven't played each other and have few common opponents. A larger post season is warranted. But in our current media $ driven environment, it's more about maximizing revenue than anything else. Too many sports, regular seasons are becoming less and less important and everybody with a pulse is getting into a playoff with more opportunity for chaos.
 
All three of the best teams got beat the first weekend . The MLB season means nothing . All in the name of greedy attempts to maximize profits .
Will the same thing happen in college football rendering the season meaningless.
I pretty much quit watching baseball when they expanded the playoffs in 1994 (they ended up being canceled due to the strike anyway that year). Prior to that, I was about the biggest fan you could find in any city that didn’t have a team.
 
I pretty much quit watching baseball when they expanded the playoffs in 1994 (they ended up being canceled due to the strike anyway that year). Prior to that, I was about the biggest fan you could find in any city that didn’t have a team.
I left after the strike . But in the Big Red Machine days I was in Cincy all of the time . Enough that I qualified for world series tickets . Strike really turned me off.
 
I don’t like the expanded playoffs in baseball either. 162 games is the longest regular season of any professional sport, and there’s enough parity between teams at that level that the outcome of a 3, 5, or even 7 game series is pretty close to random. I think the new system this year doesn’t do enough to reward the teams who proved they were the best over the long season.

If the expanded playoff for college football “backfires” though, I think it will be for the opposite reason. There’s significantly less parity in the sport than there is in MLB, and football tends to be a less random game than baseball anyway. If people are getting tired of the playoffs always being some combination of the same 5-6 teams now when the field is 4 and they have to go undefeated or at most have 1 loss to another quality team to make it, just wait until the field expands and it’s going to take 2, maybe even 3 losses to keep teams like Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio State out.
 
The four games the first weekend will be played at the home stadium for the higher ranked team. Those environments are going to be insane and home field advantage is already a huge thing in college football. That will most likely weed out the "cinderella" teams.

I love that it has expanded. If you look at last year, the playoffs would have looked like this:

First Round
Tulane @ Bama
Penn State @ OSU
USC @ UT
Kansas State @ Utah

Second Round
Tulane/Bama winner vs Clemson
Penn State/OSU Winner vs TCU
USC/UT winner vs Michigan
Kansas State/Utah winner vs Georgia

Who doesn't love more college football!
 
I don’t like the expanded playoffs in baseball either. 162 games is the longest regular season of any professional sport, and there’s enough parity between teams at that level that the outcome of a 3, 5, or even 7 game series is pretty close to random. I think the new system this year doesn’t do enough to reward the teams who proved they were the best over the long season.

If the expanded playoff for college football “backfires” though, I think it will be for the opposite reason. There’s significantly less parity in the sport than there is in MLB, and football tends to be a less random game than baseball anyway. If people are getting tired of the playoffs always being some combination of the same 5-6 teams now when the field is 4 and they have to go undefeated or at most have 1 loss to another quality team to make it, just wait until the field expands and it’s going to take 2, maybe even 3 losses to keep teams like Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio State out.
With 12 teams, 3 loss teams are 100% getting in most years. There were only 10 teams in the Power 5 that had 2 or less losses last year.
 
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The four games the first weekend will be played at the home stadium for the higher ranked team. Those environments are going to be insane and home field advantage is already a huge thing in college football. That will most likely weed out the "cinderella" teams.

I love that it has expanded. If you look at last year, the playoffs would have looked like this:

First Round
Tulane @ Bama
Penn State @ OSU
USC @ UT
Kansas State @ Utah

Second Round
Tulane/Bama winner vs Clemson
Penn State/OSU Winner vs TCU
USC/UT winner vs Michigan
Kansas State/Utah winner vs Georgia

Who doesn't love more college football!

Will be epic.

And for baseball, if they were really the best teams they should have had no issue winning a 5 game series with the advantage of setting up their rotation. Mostly braves fans bitching, which they are good at.
 
I mean, the perceived best teams and/or favorites lose in upsets early in playoffs in all sports. I don't see how it's any different because it's baseball. College football has much wider gaps in teams' talent/quality so favorites lose far less often. Only think I see "backfiring" with a 12 team playoff is predominant players getting getting hurt in a game they wouldn't have been playing in years previous an costing them a title.
 
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The four games the first weekend will be played at the home stadium for the higher ranked team. Those environments are going to be insane and home field advantage is already a huge thing in college football. That will most likely weed out the "cinderella" teams.

I love that it has expanded. If you look at last year, the playoffs would have looked like this:

First Round
Tulane @ Bama
Penn State @ OSU
USC @ UT
Kansas State @ Utah

Second Round
Tulane/Bama winner vs Clemson
Penn State/OSU Winner vs TCU
USC/UT winner vs Michigan
Kansas State/Utah winner vs Georgia

Who doesn't love more college football!
This is a good breakout!

The question is do you really think Kansas St/Utah would knock off UGA. I'd argue it isn't likely as:

1. Individual baseball games can be random. A 100+ loss Oakland As did win a series vs a 100+ win Atlanta Braves. So in small series...baseball is more random than Football games aren't nearly as random.
2. Baseball sort of changes in post season vs. regular season. Your 4th and 5th starting pitchers don't really pitch (which is 40% of your rotation) in post season.
3. I'd argue the bigger question with baseball is why just 5 games series in 2nd round that is where Braves and Dodgers went out.

So, I'd argue the main issue with expanded playoffs is I don't think we'll get a ton more upsets...but the reality is injuries truly impact things....and more games is usually more injuries. (like when Jamison Williams went out and then Mechi at WR....they basically had nobody to throw to by the title game). That is where you can make an argument for lesser outcomes is it can boil down to a big injury in an earlier round.
 
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All three of the best teams got beat the first weekend . The MLB season means nothing . All in the name of greedy attempts to maximize profits .
Will the same thing happen in college football rendering the season meaningless.
Big difference here! All the teams play each other in baseball. Regardless of what anyone wants to say the 4 team playoff doesn’t represent the best 4 teams- because it is a biased opinion of some people. Opinions are like butts - everyone has one.

The 12 team playoff will not be perfect - but it does give 12 teams an opportunity to earn it on the field. That 12 team format will be expanded very quickly to 16 teams- because it adds no additional weeks of play.

Personally I think it is about time that the politics be reduced and play on the field decides the championship. No system is perfect - these three teams had the same opportunity as the others.
 
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It will generate a lot more interest. 15 or 16 teams will be on the cusp of making the playoff instead of 5 or 6. That's ten more teams that have hopeful fans and stay in the conversation with the media. Maybe even one day UK could make it. I couldn't imagine the excitement in this state if we were heading to the CFB playoff. With only four teams we are usually out of the conversation by week 6.
 
I mean, the perceived best teams and/or favorites lose in upsets early in playoffs in all sports. I don't see how it's any different because it's baseball. College football has much wider gaps in teams' talent/quality so favorites lose far less often. Only think I see "backfiring" with a 12 team playoff is predominant players getting getting hurt in a game they wouldn't have been playing in years previous an costing them a title.
Players can get hurt in ANY game. That argument makes no sense. Yes players will get hurt- they do now. Someone will always be able to “IF” this doesn't happen then this team would have won. If people are worried about players getting hurt - first thing you should eliminate is conference championship games! 12 plus team format eliminates the need for those games - unless they end up as part of the eventual play offs. That will not happen - because of SEC and Big 10. It would eliminate two of the top teams too quickly.
 
Mostly braves fans bitching, which they are good at.
Hell, to get the Braves more championships, you’d have to eliminate the post-season, entirely.

They’ve been strutting around with great talent for 30 years, and have won the same number of World Series as the BRM won in two years.
 
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12 team playoff is great for college football. Long overdue. Teams that have a great season even none power 5 schools deserve their shot at the big boys. March Madness in Football will be HUGE!!!
 
I'd rather it be 16 over 12. Hate the byes in playoffs. The champion plays 15 games now. It would go up to 17 with the current schedule. Maybe drop the season back to 11 games. It works for FCS with 22 less scholarship players and they still have byes increasing their playoffs to 24 teams.
 
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Correct. The other 11 will most likely be power 5., which would mean that last year, a 3 loss team would have made it.
What's wrong with that? More teams that fans have to cheer for. There will be blow outs just because there is no parity in college football. Realistically only four or five at most even have a shot at winning it, but why not let some others share the spotlight for a week. Teams like Kentucky should love the playoff expansion. Maybe once every 5-10 years we have a shot of being included in the conversation with the big boys of football. Right now we are statistically eliminated by the fifth or sixth week of the season.
 
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Hell, to get the Braves more championships, you’d have to eliminate the post-season, entirely.

They’ve been strutting around with great talent for 30 years, and have won the same number of World Series as the BRM won in two years.

Braves hang banners for regular season "titles" lol.
 
What's wrong with that? More teams that fans have to cheer for. There will be blow outs just because there is no parity in college football. Realistically only four or five at most even have a shot at winning it, but why not let some others share the spotlight for a week. Teams like Kentucky should love the playoff expansion. Maybe once every 5-10 years we have a shot of being included in the conversation with the big boys of football. Right now we are statistically eliminated by the fifth or sixth week of the season.
I have no problem with it. I posted above that I love expansion. I was replying to a poster above in my response.
 
I say bring it on. Let's face it...with opt-outs, post season for everyone other than the 4 playoff teams was beginning to smell. More meaningful games sounds good to me.
 
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I have no problem with it. I posted above that I love expansion. I was replying to a poster above in my response.
No problem.. I don't see how any Kentucky fan would have any problem with an expanded playoff. We haven't came close to making it in the current format. Would probably need at least 16 teams to ever have a shot, but 12 is a lot closer to 16 than 4 is..
 
Would probably need at least 16 teams to ever have a shot, but 12 is a lot closer to 16 than 4 is..
In 2018/19, Penn State was the “first out.” ranked 12th by the Committee, but bumped for the mandatory G5.

And we were 15th coming in.

UF was Top 10, with the same record, and we’d beaten them head-to-head in Gainesville.
 
Regular season baseball sucks. Growing playoffs saved the sport. Braves always choked no matter how many rounds iof playoffs there were. So seeing them crap out doesn't change my opinion.

Football is exact opposite. Regular season was already great. Stretching out playoffs and increasing injuries to mess up champion is a bad idea, I think.
 
Regular season baseball sucks. Growing playoffs saved the sport. Braves always choked no matter how many rounds iof playoffs there were. So seeing them crap out doesn't change my opinion.

Football is exact opposite. Regular season was already great. Stretching out playoffs and increasing injuries to mess up champion is a bad idea, I think.
Great for who? Maybe the fans that cheer for a conference, but if you cheer for someone except about 10 teams, then your season could end in week four. With an expanded playoff if we won out we might make a playoff. With a six team playoff we were probably eliminated after the Missouri loss.
 
Long season for a couple of teams, any idea if that’s why the SEC did away with divisions next year?
 
Needs to be 8 or 16, no byes. There will be endless debates on who should have gotten a bye.
 
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The expanded field will make the other bowls meaningless. It’s then that I await those who plan to be in the draft and who see no future in the playoffs start opting out during the regular season.
 
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Needs to be 8 or 16, no byes. There will be endless debates on who should have gotten a bye.

Isn't it gonna be top 4 conference Champs? No debate if so.

Gonna be sec champ, big 18 champ, big no one cares used to be 12 champ and the not so acc champ every year I'd assume.

I agree 16 is better. Gives UK a chance in years like 2018 and 2021.
 
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Needs to be 8 or 16, no byes. There will be endless debates on who should have gotten a bye.
There will only by 5 teams considered for the bye each year. The SEC champion, Big10 champion, Big12 champion, ACC champion and in some years the highest ranked G5 champion. The format states that the 4 highest ranked conference champions get the byes. If there is an upset in 1 of those championship games (i.e. if Purdue would have beat Michigan in the Big10 title game last year), then a G5 conference champion (Tulane last year) would potentially get a bye.
 
The expanded field will make the other bowls meaningless. It’s then that I await those who plan to be in the draft and who see no future in the playoffs start opting out during the regular season.
Outside of the playoffs there are already players opting out. The playoff expansion will actually keep more players from doing that.
 
Great for who? Maybe the fans that cheer for a conference, but if you cheer for someone except about 10 teams, then your season could end in week four. With an expanded playoff if we won out we might make a playoff. With a six team playoff we were probably eliminated after the Missouri loss.
Great for everyone. You dont have to be in the playoff hunt to enjoy college football. I've followed uk football for 50 years. It's a great sport, and we've never sniffed a national championship. There a reason every school builds stadiums to seat 80,000 people and its not because 95% of them are out of the race for number one 4 games in to the season.
 
I think many forget that most of all the top playing players want to be in the playoffs every year. Which presently are the same 6 teams every year. Going to 12 might even out the talent, giving us some surprises.
 
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