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Why I hate being a Kentucky fan

Not as bad as Lonnie Demaree but I agree he's pretty bad.
lmfao Demaree just led off with Kirby Smart asking him if hes ever had a better, more stocked QB corp in his coaching career with Fromm, Eason, and Fields.

Kirby's response "Well, Eason transferred after last season so...."


Why is our football media such a joke. Why.
 
lmfao Demaree just led off with Kirby Smart asking him if hes ever had a better, more stocked QB corp in his coaching career with Fromm, Eason, and Fields.

Kirby's response "Well, Eason transferred after last season so...."


Why is our football media such a joke. Why.

That’s funny!!
 
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Vaught having two straight days of sports radio and chose to talk LPGA is absolutely horrid. Time for folks like him and all of the other basketball types to move over for someone who is UK sports centric. That includes FOOTBALL. SEC football media days is ongoing and you talk about golf?! My goodness.

I have faith that some new blood will eventually flow into UK sports media that talks all things UK IN SEASON. Larry Vaught and his type have got to go.
 
lmfao Demaree just led off with Kirby Smart asking him if hes ever had a better, more stocked QB corp in his coaching career with Fromm, Eason, and Fields.

Kirby's response "Well, Eason transferred after last season so...."


Why is our football media such a joke. Why.
Demaree lost all credibility with me years ago with the Donte Rumph situation. If you remember Rumph signed with us but didn't qualify and went Juco. After his first year his name accidentally appeared on a UK roster. Demaree was asked about it on Larry Glover's show and you could tell it took him by surprise because he was stuttering all over the place. He then went on to say that he could confirm that Rumph was going to be on the roster that year. Of course that was not true. He didn't come until the next year. Lost all credibility with me from that point. He should've said I don't know but can find out instead of blowing smoke up our butts. Rumph was a big recruit for us and when that info fell through us die hards were crushed because we knew we were gonna get man handled on the DL again that year.
 
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I would love someone like Kyle Tucker to do something that resembled KSR/Tom Leach/ night shows with Larry Glover/etc. He is very smart and is someone that seems like he works very hard. Too bright and too smart to not have his own deal somewhere. A lot better than Larry talking about the 4 man scramble in Harrodsburg or Tom Leach talking to Mike Pratt every week.

I would hire Kyle and have some guys like this that come on during or after KSR, get Jeff Van Note/Derrick Ramsey/Tim Couch to talk FB, get some BB players to talk BB etc..
It would be topical, mainly UK but whatever going on in world. Be a grown up Show that discusses recruiting with the experts, Whatever was going on in SEC.

I hope he finds landing spot because he is a talented writer and work ethic. Think he could be the grown up show to Matt Jones fraternity/middle school high jinx show which is fine but too much BB.
 
Laughing at threads on Rafters talking about beating down SEC opponents. The majority of our football schedule is a meat tenderizer. Basketball’s is a walk in the park.

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I would love someone like Kyle Tucker to do something that resembled KSR/Tom Leach/ night shows with Larry Glover/etc. He is very smart and is someone that seems like he works very hard. Too bright and too smart to not have his own deal somewhere. A lot better than Larry talking about the 4 man scramble in Harrodsburg or Tom Leach talking to Mike Pratt every week.

I would hire Kyle and have some guys like this that come on during or after KSR, get Jeff Van Note/Derrick Ramsey/Tim Couch to talk FB, get some BB players to talk BB etc..
It would be topical, mainly UK but whatever going on in world. Be a grown up Show that discusses recruiting with the experts, Whatever was going on in SEC.

I hope he finds landing spot because he is a talented writer and work ethic. Think he could be the grown up show to Matt Jones fraternity/middle school high jinx show which is fine but too much BB.
Preach it from the mountaintops. EXACTLY what I have been pushing for.
 
That's your opinion. Mine is that these players have sacrificed just as much if not more to represent Kentucky as the basketball players and by that measure they have earned our respect. I know based on where the program stands that they didn't expect to spend much time at number one unlike the basketball players, but they accepted the challenge in spite of those odds. For this you expect them to be treated like second class citizens?? I think they deserve our thanks and respect, not for participating, but for giving their all.

I have a lot more respect for the Football guys who give us four or five years than the One and Done BB guys. They care nothing about the school or the program. It's all about them and not here long enough to care.
 
I cheer for basketball during their season and football during theirs. When they overlap I have capacity for both. One and done has nothing to do with it. If Benny could have left after last year he would have and should have. It's apples and oranges to compare the two. To say one and done players don't care for the program is uninformed and wrong.
 
Cam Mills and his cohort discussed the definition of the word "imminent" on the Leach show for about 30 minutes as it relates to basketball recruit D Allen of Kentucky. How could it be imminent and not happen yet? July on the Tom Leach show.

Meanwhile, ESPN College Football Live seems to believe football talk in the SEC is a big deal this week.
 
You know what I want? I want to beat Florida. I want to get to nine wins and look like a top tier SEC team. I don’t give a damn about what coaches and players babble on about in press conferences and interviews. It means zilch. In fact, if I never had to listen to a player or coach say they’re going to do this or that again I would be just fine.

^^^ This right here. Until we have an AD and fanbase that demands this we aren't going anywhere. Newflash we are in year-6 of the CMS experiment. No excuse for not beating FLA last year IMO. Play'r again Sam, I'm done with the hype.
 
Cam Mills and his cohort discussed the definition of the word "imminent" on the Leach show for about 30 minutes as it relates to basketball recruit D Allen of Kentucky. How could it be imminent and not happen yet? July on the Tom Leach show.

Meanwhile, ESPN College Football Live seems to believe football talk in the SEC is a big deal this week.
Wow. Thats pitiful. Ive been listening to the Birmingham radio all week. Good coverage of all SEC teams and the coming football season. Damn shame there isnt a similar program out of Louisville for this state.
 
I watch SEC Network for my football coverage. I watch it for the SEC talk, not just the UK talk, as I like to hear about all the teams. I don't live in KY so can't speak to local media coverage, but tough to change things unless you win and win big. People are stuck in their ways, and in a show me something stage with UK football...have been for years. UK football does show us things sometimes but then Lucy comes along before the seaon is over and we are 7-5 in our "great" seasons.
 
I watched Stoops interview, and I'm not sure there was even one question from a Kentucky reporter. Some guy from Arkansas asked him several questions. Most of the other questions were from out-of-state reporters and they mostly asked questions related to their teams. Pretty sad for a coach who has taken UK to back-to-back winning seasons.
 
I watched Stoops interview, and I'm not sure there was even one question from a Kentucky reporter. Some guy from Arkansas asked him several questions. Most of the other questions were from out-of-state reporters and they mostly asked questions related to their teams. Pretty sad for a coach who has taken UK to back-to-back winning seasons.

I listened. Most of the questions were about his team.
 
I watched Stoops interview, and I'm not sure there was even one question from a Kentucky reporter. Some guy from Arkansas asked him several questions. Most of the other questions were from out-of-state reporters and they mostly asked questions related to their teams. Pretty sad for a coach who has taken UK to back-to-back winning seasons.

Also, the coaches meet with their own media independently from the big room. So, the comment about Kentucky reporters is just uninformed.
 
Look, there’s not a more loyal UK football fan than me, but the holier than now football only fans here are just as annoying as the basketball only fans. Your post talk about “respect”? I don’t know if you’re being funny or you’re just delusional. Our football hasn’t earned a damn bit of respect. Maybe that will change. We haven’t won jack in DECADES. You strike me as a participation trophy, everybody is special type of guy.

Let me explain this to you. Respect has to be earned. Our football program, up to this point, (July 17...2018)
has earned zero.
Rack.

I love football. I want to see us be a consistent top 25 program with a shot to compete for the SEC and beyond at least once a decade.

But the constant penis envy and finger pointing on this board toward the basketball team for being king of its respective sport and treated like it is tiresome.

It's the same University you root for. Be fkn happy your school has top program in either of the big 2 sports while simultaneously pulling for the other to get there (novel idea). 95% of universities don't have either and at best are back half to fringe top 25 in one or the other with no real chance to win anything that really matters.
 
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Tom Leach (voice of the Wildcats) has Larry Vaught on because Tom's on vacation during SEC Media Days. Hour spent discussing local golf tournament.

KentuckySportsRadio is discussing giving away tickets to a basketball practice and how deep the SEC basketball tournament will be this year.

I pull up iHeart and flip to WJOX and miracle of miracles!!.....LIVE radio coverage of SEC media days and UK's Josh Allen. Someone actually is aware that SEC Media Days are going on today. Unfortunately they arent in this state.

Get a clue UK media and get with the program. This crap isnt acceptable anywhere else in the SEC. Why does our fanbase apathetically tolerate it?
I spent most of my life living in Lexington and Versailles. Then 5 years ago I moved to Georgia. The sports atmosphere here is pretty much a 180 of what we have in KY. Everyone here is a football fan. They talk football 365 days a year. They live and breathe football 24/7. I have never once had a college basketball discussion with any of the many sports fans I've gotten to know here in Georgia. They'll talk a little NBA and there's plenty of Braves fan, but all anyone wants to talk about for the most part, is football. Mostly UGA, but plenty of Falcons, GA Southern, etc., But they can't name one player on the UGA basketball team.

This state is all about football, and you see it at every level. We attend high school games almost every week (my wife and her family are all ECI grads). These kids -- whether city kids or country boys -- grow up wanting to play football from the time they can walk, and it shows. It's just a different world than what we have in Kentucky. I'm a football junkie, so I absolutely love how it is here, but it's been quite an eyeopener. Of course every football fan knows about the football culture in the deep south, but it's even more predominant than I ever imagined. On the other hand, I honestly don't think there's anyone or anything that could change Kentucky's sports culture. We grow up hearing and talking college basketball every minute of every day of our lives in KY, and it's been that way for as long as most of us have been alive. The media continues to feed it because that's what they think most people in the state want. I hope to see it change someday, but I don't think it ever will. It's very frustrating.
 
I watch SEC Network for my football coverage. I watch it for the SEC talk, not just the UK talk, as I like to hear about all the teams. I don't live in KY so can't speak to local media coverage, but tough to change things unless you win and win big. People are stuck in their ways, and in a show me something stage with UK football...have been for years. UK football does show us things sometimes but then Lucy comes along before the seaon is over and we are 7-5 in our "great" seasons.
Exactly. To change the sports culture in the state, we have to get good -- 10+ win good -- for at least a decade. It'd also help if UK basketball had a rough stretch at the same time (not that I'd want that). But neither of these things are likely to happen. We'll continue to be a monster in basketball, and we'll likely continue the same path in football we've been on for 65 years or so. The bottom line is recruiting. We get whoever we want in basketball, and whoever we can in football. The lack of instate talent keeps us forever facing an uphill battle. I go to UGA games and see their roster, loaded with mostly Georgia kids and the reality always sets in. It's been done at other schools, so I'm always hopeful, but Stoops (or whoever) will have to somehow take the recruiting up another notch first. And that will be a very difficult task.
 
Rack.

I love football. I want to see us be a consistent top 25 program with a shot to compete for the SEC and beyond at least once a decade.

But the constant penis envy and finger pointing on this board toward the basketball team for being king of its respective sport and treated like it is tiresome.

It's the same University you root for. Be fkn happy your school has top program in either of the big 2 sports while simultaneously pulling for the other to get there (novel idea). 95% of universities don't have either and at best are back half to fringe top 25 in one or the other with no real chance to win anything that really matters.

I love UK basketball. I love UK football more. I will not apologize for criticizing the local UK media for not being focused on SEC football this week. I understand when ESPN overlooks UK for the big boys. But, I should get better coverage from talk shows that claim UK sports as a focal point.

I don’t know what “rack” means, but if it is a Jim Rome reference, his show sucks. And, all the narcissistic sycophants who call that show pretending they have some powerful script are the definition of sports silly. I hope that was not your intention.
 
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Vaught having two straight days of sports radio and chose to talk LPGA is absolutely horrid. Time for folks like him and all of the other basketball types to move over for someone who is UK sports centric. That includes FOOTBALL. SEC football media days is ongoing and you talk about golf?! My goodness.

I have faith that some new blood will eventually flow into UK sports media that talks all things UK IN SEASON. Larry Vaught and his type have got to go.
Has Vaught ever interviewed a male?
 
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....The media continues to feed it because that's what they think most people in the state want....

Yeah, that is fundamentally my issue with the entire thing. I understand that media outlets can and have cited web hits, ratings, subscriptions etc to validate their notion of basketball is what sells. I get it.

My point is it's not common business sense, its cowardice. You mean to tell me there's 50 states in the US and Kentucky is the only one where football doesnt move the needle because dont care? B.S. People pine for basketball news from decades of having only that shoved down their throats. If people had football treated in the same manner as basketball is or football is everywhere else it woupd be no contest.

The media has bred decades and generations of ignorant football fans instead of holding the UK admin feet to the fire like they do everywhere else. And rather than challenge the mediocrity, they complicitly look at basketball as a means to guarantee their bottom line as opposed to, just like UK's lack of football investing over the years, seeing the forest for the trees at how much more $ they could be making.

People dont know they want football news out in thw state because they havent frown up being told thats what matters. The media has a much bigger role in this problem over the decades than I feel like they've been held to account for. Football moves the ratings needle at Vanderbilt. Missouri. Mississippi State. Ole Miss. Arkansas. South Carolina. We are and should be no different.
 
UK football does show us things sometimes but then Lucy comes along before the season is over and we are 7-5 in our "great" seasons.


that pretty much sums it up.

1 big reason the basketball program sustains success is because the objectives for success never change. You string together a handful of sweet 16 appearances and the fans are restless and want change.

Success in UK football is a moving target and is often defined at the end of the season looking back, not at the start looking forward.
 
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I spent most of my life living in Lexington and Versailles. Then 5 years ago I moved to Georgia. The sports atmosphere here is pretty much a 180 of what we have in KY. Everyone here is a football fan. They talk football 365 days a year. They live and breathe football 24/7. I have never once had a college basketball discussion with any of the many sports fans I've gotten to know here in Georgia. They'll talk a little NBA and there's plenty of Braves fan, but all anyone wants to talk about for the most part, is football. Mostly UGA, but plenty of Falcons, GA Southern, etc., But they can't name one player on the UGA basketball team.

This state is all about football, and you see it at every level. We attend high school games almost every week (my wife and her family are all ECI grads). These kids -- whether city kids or country boys -- grow up wanting to play football from the time they can walk, and it shows. It's just a different world than what we have in Kentucky. I'm a football junkie, so I absolutely love how it is here, but it's been quite an eyeopener. Of course every football fan knows about the football culture in the deep south, but it's even more predominant than I ever imagined. On the other hand, I honestly don't think there's anyone or anything that could change Kentucky's sports culture. We grow up hearing and talking college basketball every minute of every day of our lives in KY, and it's been that way for as long as most of us have been alive. The media continues to feed it because that's what they think most people in the state want. I hope to see it change someday, but I don't think it ever will. It's very frustrating.

QFT
 
that pretty much sums it up.

1 big reason the basketball program sustains success is because the objectives for success never change. You string together a handful of sweet 16 appearances and the fans are restless and want change.

Success in UK football is a moving target and is often defined at the end of the season looking back, not at the start looking forward.

That's because a good portion of UK football fans aren't fans in the strictest terms. They're wafflers. They've succumbed to battered spouse syndrome. Fans should expect more and be disappointed with less while tempering that expectation by realizing where their team actually is.

We don't have the most talent in the league, that's true but we have the best talent we've had in a long time. We have the best staff we've had in a long time. We have the best facilities we've had - ever. It's time for the fans to step it up and actually be fans instead of bemused bystanders. Get behind this team, get behind this staff, expect 10 wins and if they fall short don't wallow in your own self-pity. Be a for real SEC football fan for once. Not somebody that says after a loss "we'll get you in basketball".
 
That's because a good portion of UK football fans aren't fans in the strictest terms. They're wafflers. They've succumbed to battered spouse syndrome. Fans should expect more and be disappointed with less while tempering that expectation by realizing where their team actually is.

We don't have the most talent in the league, that's true but we have the best talent we've had in a long time. We have the best staff we've had in a long time. We have the best facilities we've had - ever. It's time for the fans to step it up and actually be fans instead of bemused bystanders. Get behind this team, get behind this staff, expect 10 wins and if they fall short don't wallow in your own self-pity. Be a for real SEC football fan for once. Not somebody that says after a loss "we'll get you in basketball".

I wouldn't wallow in self pity, I'd be asking why this happened. But how many times can you ask it and still sustain the same level of enthusiasm?
 
Which is crazy given we’re in the SEC with actual “football school” facilities
I do too, but the basketball program is #1 in the country in all time wins and #2 in all time titles. It's hard and understandable for football to compete with that.

If football ever starts winning on a consistent basis, more fans will get on board.
 
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That's because a good portion of UK football fans aren't fans in the strictest terms. They're wafflers. They've succumbed to battered spouse syndrome. Fans should expect more and be disappointed with less while tempering that expectation by realizing where their team actually is.

We don't have the most talent in the league, that's true but we have the best talent we've had in a long time. We have the best staff we've had in a long time. We have the best facilities we've had - ever. It's time for the fans to step it up and actually be fans instead of bemused bystanders. Get behind this team, get behind this staff, expect 10 wins and if they fall short don't wallow in your own self-pity. Be a for real SEC football fan for once. Not somebody that says after a loss "we'll get you in basketball".

Let's just hope it's not squandered again this year or the apathy will continue.
 
Had to look that one up. I was pretty sure you did not mean Quantum Field Theory! But an excellent post by Blue63Madison regarding Kentucky and (basically) the rest of the SEC states.

Peace
 
I do too, but the basketball program is #1 in the country in all time wins and #2 in all time titles. It's hard and understandable for football to compete with that.

If football ever starts winning on a consistent basis, more fans will get on board.
I guarantee you I’m the SEC. it’s a helluva lot easier to become a “football school” by winning —than it does a “basketball school” by winning. UGA has 1 MNC in football, but I guarantee you if they tore themselves off two NCAAs in basketball in a row, there would be little to notice on the airwaves there in terms of pigskin discussion

I think this makes basketball-only fans shake in their boots.
 
I spent most of my life living in Lexington and Versailles. Then 5 years ago I moved to Georgia. The sports atmosphere here is pretty much a 180 of what we have in KY. Everyone here is a football fan. They talk football 365 days a year. They live and breathe football 24/7. I have never once had a college basketball discussion with any of the many sports fans I've gotten to know here in Georgia. They'll talk a little NBA and there's plenty of Braves fan, but all anyone wants to talk about for the most part, is football. Mostly UGA, but plenty of Falcons, GA Southern, etc., But they can't name one player on the UGA basketball team.

This state is all about football, and you see it at every level. We attend high school games almost every week (my wife and her family are all ECI grads). These kids -- whether city kids or country boys -- grow up wanting to play football from the time they can walk, and it shows. It's just a different world than what we have in Kentucky. I'm a football junkie, so I absolutely love how it is here, but it's been quite an eyeopener. Of course every football fan knows about the football culture in the deep south, but it's even more predominant than I ever imagined. On the other hand, I honestly don't think there's anyone or anything that could change Kentucky's sports culture. We grow up hearing and talking college basketball every minute of every day of our lives in KY, and it's been that way for as long as most of us have been alive. The media continues to feed it because that's what they think most people in the state want. I hope to see it change someday, but I don't think it ever will. It's very frustrating.
Lots of good comments. If you are not from the Deep South you really can't understand. I lived in Georgia for 20 years and in Florida most of the rest of my life. I did live in Kentucky while a UK student and at Ft Knox. If you try to get a basketball discussion here you may as well talk to a grapefruit tree. It is mid July now and young boys are running laps in a blistering sun and getting ready for football season. Peachtree Jam and AAU basketball are as foreign to them as snow in Siberia
 
I listened. Most of the questions were about his team.

I'm going by what was on the SEC Network. But I don't remember him getting a question "on-air" from a KY reporter. Certainly nothing from the LHL. The other coaches were getting questions "on-air" from their local reporters, and were even greeting them by name. The Arkansas reporter probably saved Stoops from some embarrassment, or he wouldn't have gotten enough questions to take up his allotted time. Stoops got a question about South Carolina that kind of ticked him off.

A KSR guy asked Jimbo Fisher about coaching against his former assistants, so that was kind of UK related. But I don't recall anyone from KSR asking Stoops a question on the televised portion.

Lonnie Demaree, after clearly idenitfying himself as being from Kentucky, asked Kirby Smart about what it was like to have 3 QBs like Eason, Fromm and Fields to choose from. Smart answered that he didn't know because Eason transferred. That was funny and embarrassing at the same time.
 
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I'm going by what was on the SEC Network. But I don't remember him getting a question "on-air" from a KY reporter. Certainly nothing from the LHL. The other coaches were getting questions "on-air" from their local reporters, and were even greeting them by name. The Arkansas reporter probably saved Stoops from some embarrassment, or he wouldn't have gotten enough questions to take up his allotted time. Stoops got a question about South Carolina that kind of ticked him off.

A KSR guy asked Jimbo Fisher about coaching against his former assistants, so that was kind of UK related. But I don't recall anyone from KSR asking Stoops a question on the televised portion.

Lonnie Demaree, after clearly idenitfying himself as being from Kentucky, asked Kirby Smart about what it was like to have 3 QBs like Eason, Fromm and Fields to choose from. Smart answered that he didn't know because Eason transferred. That was funny and embarrassing at the same time.

I don’t know if anyone from KSR was even there. Not sure why that would matter. But, I listened to his public presser and he answered questions about his team and staff. And, again, the local media met with him separately.
 
I don’t know if anyone from KSR was even there. Not sure why that would matter. But, I listened to his public presser and he answered questions about his team and staff. And, again, the local media met with him separately.

The KSR crew is touring Kentucky. The first part of this week they were in northeastern Kentucky, seemingly oblivious to the unofficial opening of football season.
 
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