Why does Cal slow the games down?
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The way he coaches. Legitimately can say it has cost us a Championship or two. Shuts it down at the end. Oh well, win is a win, he ain't changing.
He's only winning 84% of the games. Clearly needs help - I nominate you guys!
It's pretty basic. A slower game means fewer possessions. Fewer possessions makes it more difficult to make up a deficit.
It's pretty basic. A slower game means fewer possessions. Fewer possessions makes it more difficult to make up a deficit.
I dunno - but you know what else they say about prevent defense - bend, don't break.
I can think of a bunch of times where he's gone up 20 or 30 then dropped down to a 6-14 point victory, but I can't think of many times where it's ever cost him the game.. at UK, at least.
Not to say I enjoy watching it. It makes me wanna pull my hair out. End of the day, though, his winning percentage is as good as Rupp's. So he's doing something right.
I can think of a bunch of times where he's gone up 20 or 30 then dropped down to a 6-14 point victory, but I can't think of many times where it's ever cost him the game.. at UK, at least.
Not to say I enjoy watching it. It makes me wanna pull my hair out. End of the day, though, his winning percentage is as good as Rupp's. So he's doing something right.
When did we lose a game after having a 15+ lead because of his slowdowns? In a game that cost us a championship? I don't remember that occurring.
He's never been one to push the pace to begin with. He gets praised for coaching full-throttle all game, even with a big lead, but the downfall of that is he continues to over-coach guys w/ a big lead.
Usually, with a big lead the players will loosen up & attempt shots more freely.
With Cal, he still has the chains on you & will chew you out & yank you out the game if you attempt shots he dislikes & dont stick to the "gameplan"
Usually, with a big lead the players will loosen up & attempt shots more freely.
With Cal, he still has the chains on you & will chew you out & yank you out the game if you attempt shots he dislikes & dont stick to the "gameplan"
Or two? Name the second. We'll be waiting. WV? Please. UCONN in 2011? No. UCONN in 2014? NO. Wisconsin in 2015? Easy copout, but fair game so I'll let you count that as one. I've always maintained slowing it down is fine as long as you get into your offense around 10-12 seconds and such and shoot it with 4-5 on the clock so u are not in full panic mode. The problem is a lot of the time our guys seem to struggle with that. As much as we do it you would think we could execute better but I guess it is college kids not NBA guys so they are not gonna be good at it like they should.
And yes, he wins so much he is not going to change his strategy. When Cal is up at the half he usually always wins.
He's of course counting Wisconsin, but to say "or two" clearly shows he is a casual fan cause none of the other UK NCAA Tourney losses under Cal had UK clinging to a lead or getting a big lead. Hell against Wisconsin it was what a whopping 4 point lead? People assume that if we jacked up shots quick we would have won which is cute. No proof of that.
You can complain about Cal slowing the game down in the past. That didn't happen tonight. This team just has too many mental lapses, and too many guys who only want to play when they feel like it.
But they sure are good at talking. Just how many technicals are we going to get this year for running our mouths and then shoving someone? I could accept that from a team that plays with a lot of fire. We have a bunch a guys who won't fight for a rebound, but they got no problem being scrappy during a dead ball.
But they sure are good at talking. Just how many technicals are we going to get this year for running our mouths and then shoving someone? I could accept that from a team that plays with a lot of fire. We have a bunch a guys who won't fight for a rebound, but they got no problem being scrappy during a dead ball.
Guys, I am just asking a question. I love having Cal here and I am in no way bashing him or acting like I know more than he does about basketball. Saying that though, this team, the way it shoots free throws, needs to run their offensive sets and take the first good shot presented.
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Seems as if the team started playing street ball after they got up by 20. A lot of teams have this tendency and I've seen it a lot over the years while watching UK basketball. I remember one game in 1980 where UK jumped out in front of Tennessee something like 25-2 at Rupp and actually fell behind the second half before winning by 11.
I truly believe tonight was just Cal being comfortable we could pull it out regardless so he wanted it close in order to test these guys with a little pressure of a close game.
We went up 20 and easily could have put that game away and did not. Not only did we not he started making weird subs, calling weird plays and it affected the players looking a bit lost too.
I like Cal for a lot of obvious reasons but his excitement of seeing what kind of team we got is a bit much. Just crush them and keep it moving!
We went up 20 and easily could have put that game away and did not. Not only did we not he started making weird subs, calling weird plays and it affected the players looking a bit lost too.
I like Cal for a lot of obvious reasons but his excitement of seeing what kind of team we got is a bit much. Just crush them and keep it moving!
I enjoyed the win......The game not so much....Asking a legit question is not whining.
I agree. Cal didn't slow the pace of this game. The team made some mistakes and missed some shots, while not guarding a couple of threes on the other end. We had this game well in hand, until the technicals. If we hadn't been at Rupp, this one may have gone the other way. I like the way that Briscoe is playing, even though he still is snake bit, from the line, but, we have a lot of room to improve, before March.
Yeah - I don't include Wisconsin, because there was no big lead slowdown in that game. We had a small lead and the Harrisons just dribbled the air out of the ball as Cal screamed at them to make passes.
But as far as deliberate, obvious Cal's version of the four corners trademarked offense we see with big leads, I can't recall a time it lost us a game. Maybe it has a couple of times, but usually we win and everybody is just stressed because it cuts the lead in half. I guess his reasoning is that if you play faster, you have a chance to run it up more or completely flip the game result.
Exactly. He's playing it safe and honestly I have no problems whatsoever with it.
Would it be nice to win by 30-40 points? Yeah sure, But ultimately his job is to win games. I have no issues with this whatsoever
Cal has always done it and it's gotten him in trouble more times than not. He's stubborn and it's one of his knocks against him as a coach. I don't think he'll ever change that. I think in his mind he has this magic # in his head and he thinks at this point, just get out of here with a W
Fair enough, but unless the guy is a Memphis fan then who is this "we" he speaks of?
It actually has not got him in trouble as far as winning games...per his winning percentage with the lead at the half at UK.
Correct. Wisconsin and HIS time at Memphis. That was my bad. Just seems like he has an opportunity to blow teams out but does the prevent offense thing. Not just this year, it is all his years. I'm sure he likes it that way sometimes to get his team comfortable in close situations. Just kinda drives me nuts. Like i said, a win is a win all day.
MSU switched to Man-to-Man and Marcus Lee fouled out. Cal slowed the game down to get the match-ups we wanted, but Tyler got hung up a few possessions and turned it over. Then our bench players(Willis and Mulder) gave up some big 3's by not getting up into their man.
That's why Cal was so upset after the game. He wants his experienced players(Lee, Poythress and Willis) to give him more so they can make opponents play defense for 30 seconds and limit the number of opportunities they have to get back in the game.
Cal DEMANDS tough defense. He shortens the game to simulate the NCAA Tournament games. To win in March, you must be able to win half court games.
That's why Cal was so upset after the game. He wants his experienced players(Lee, Poythress and Willis) to give him more so they can make opponents play defense for 30 seconds and limit the number of opportunities they have to get back in the game.
Cal DEMANDS tough defense. He shortens the game to simulate the NCAA Tournament games. To win in March, you must be able to win half court games.
I hate his slowing down at the end of the game as well but it has not gotten us in more trouble than not. Not even close.
Yep, I've never understood with all the great athletes he's had over the years why he always let's the other team set the pace. Last year especially. Against Notre Dame we played right into their hands by just walking it up the court every time. It damn near, and probably should have, gotten us beat. It did get us beat against Wisconsin. When we played fast last year we murdered teams.
I remember him saying a few years ago that every tournament game is a slow half court game the deeper you get and he actually plays right into that instead of putting the other team on their heels. That and his stall ball are the only things I dislike about his coaching.
I agree with you on actually winning games but it's sure made for some nailbiters that didn't need to be. I just go with the philosophy of keep attacking and win the game. Taking the air out of the ball for a team like UK doesn't typically cost them the game because they have the athletes to make the play and finish it out but when leads go from 20 to 5 in the last 8 minutes, that's trouble.
If you have the better team, more possessions gives you a better chance of winning than fewer possessions.
Well yeah this is certainly true. You want more possessions as the better team will eventually gain from the spread in talent.
Having said that when your up 20 already, there's nothing wrong with the more talented team slowing it down SOMEWHAT to limit an ability for a team to come back.
It follows the same logic. In theory over 40 minutes you should see a spread in talent.......but if your up 20 say with 7 mins to go.......well your still winning that game most of the time but less time means the lower talented team has a better chance than over the course of a full game.
Take the best team in college bball vs the worst........over the course of a game that best team probably wins what 99.9% of the time. Now flip the senario and say it's tied with 1 min to go........how often does the best team win? They still win more than lose but it's alot closer to 50% than it is 100%.
But also the problem isn't slowing it down..........the issue moreso is slowing it down and still being efficient. And if your not a team that normally does this, I think that's something that's hard to do. So there's that part of it as well.
Officiating and going to the monitor is slowing momentum as much as anything although Cal did ask Green to go to the monitor under 2:00. The technicals took forever and completely changed the game.
Well for one, when you've got ppl like willis in the game..who's an automatic opponent score if his man gets the ball then you want them to have less of an opportunity to do so..that and foul trouble that arises
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