Which SEC program could you see making the FF in the next 5 or so years
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Actually, I answered the question that was posted. If you'd like my opinion on how Cal would do at Auburn, I'd be glad to provide that as well. As I said, we'll see soon if Mike White can coach but the cupboard is not completely bare.
Vandy is loaded with shooters and are adding some nice players. They will be dangerous
Things don't change much. You have Miss St, Florida, LSU, and a outside shot of Georgia making a final four ever so often. I don't see any other programs rising to the level yet unless Arkansas can turn things around, same goes for Missouri.
You aren't understanding. The issue isn't whether White will get it done. You were stating that the past performance under a different coach has some bearing on future results. That is simply ridiculous but I see you refuse to admit your error in logic. Think what you wish.
That doesn't change what I said. Pearl is a good coach. Nobody is denying that. I was arguing with you the fact that you think he should be a candidate above Sean Miller, who's been more successful at a younger age with no show clause tainting his resume.
I disagree with the pearl hype and always have. By the consensus around here you'd think Pearl was a 35 year old up and coming coach with 3 elite eights under his belt. Peal likely will never have another squad like his elite 8 UT team down in Auburn. His rep has been hurt worse than it was (hard to do) and he's not an ace recruiter to begin with. He had some solid recruiting mojo going at UT and has pulled a few decent recruits, but I don't see the infatuation and never have.
I think Johnny Jones is gonna have some horses over the next few years and if his coaching doesn't get in the way, LSU could.
I think Johnny Jones is gonna have some horses over the next few years and if his coaching doesn't get in the way, LSU could.
Lol there have been PLENTY of times where I have felt that I deserved to be on the short bus, I just don't think that this is one of those times
Just for the record:
Ben Howland winning percentage, UCLA- .685
Bruce Pearl winning percentage, UT- .704
I don't like making myself sound like Bruce Pearl's biggest fan. I'm not. But the idea that looking at the current SEC and deciding that Pearl has the best chance to make a FF the next 5 years is somehow outrageous is totally, irredeemably idiotic. If someone thinks it's Howland, I understand that, and won't act like it's an outrageous belief. If someone thinks it's Vandy, I can understand that too. Or A&M, or LSU, or whoever. I and a bunch of others think it's Pearl, and there are legit reasons for that belief.
Ben Howland winning percentage, UCLA- .685
Bruce Pearl winning percentage, UT- .704
I don't like making myself sound like Bruce Pearl's biggest fan. I'm not. But the idea that looking at the current SEC and deciding that Pearl has the best chance to make a FF the next 5 years is somehow outrageous is totally, irredeemably idiotic. If someone thinks it's Howland, I understand that, and won't act like it's an outrageous belief. If someone thinks it's Vandy, I can understand that too. Or A&M, or LSU, or whoever. I and a bunch of others think it's Pearl, and there are legit reasons for that belief.
Gotta have guards and at least one wing/interior player to get to a FF. Which ever program can put that combo together could be dangerous in March. LSU should be in a good spot with their talent this year. But, coaching is the weak link for that team. Sorry, Johnny.
I like Vandy this year to finish 2nd in the SEC.....very good 3pt shooting and jones is an NBA player....back on topic ill go with Texas A&M. to make a F4 in the next 5 years , but really i think there's a slim chance of any team not named Kentucky making it..
My understanding and logic are perfectly fine. I think FL has a better chance of going to the final four in the next 5 years than any other SEC teams (of course including Auburn who's never been there). That is because they have been second to UK for some time in the SEC and there's no reason for me to think that will change. I think they will continue to recruit fairly well and I think the past success will help with this.
Again, that isn't exactly what I've been talking about. You may be correct that UF goes to a FF before anyone else other than UK, but it has nothing to do with history. If history meant anything, Tubby should have to several and Cal really shouldn't be going to any. I'm not sure how to get you to understand that prior results have nothing to do with future results. Look at Memphis, their past history meant Pastner should take them to a FF, but it is doubtful that he ever will. Thats because the coach changed and the prior coaches success or failure has almost no bearing on anything going forward. Sheesh
Why do you think you need to get me to 'understand'? The only thing to understand is that my opinion is different from yours, which is Ok. The question was obviously opinion-based, and it's my opinion that UF has the best chance. All I'm saying is that the complete program that has been built at UF (not just the coach) should lead to a moderate chance of future success (by helping with recruiting, etc.). Could bad coaching (such as the Pastner situation) decrease the momentum moving forward? Certainly.
The coaching position in college basketball is one that is different from many other sports. It would be hard for me to believe Florida has a better chance of anyone given that they have
1. A new coach.
2. An u heard of coach.
3. Not even an extention of the last coach.
Florida seems like a shot in the dark to me. The example of Pastner kind of proves only certain programs can sustain without a great coach Ex: UK, DUKE, KU Etc. Florida isn't one of those IMO. It should hinge entirely on the coach right now.
ftfy. If that statement is true, and I agree it is a lot of times, then it's Billy Donovan, not Florida, who was successful.
Florida and Memphis are very different in my mind.
Florida has a tremendous all-around athletic department, they've won a national championship in like 9 different sports, been to final fours under multiple coaches, and both football and basketball are extremely successful. Memphis does not have an athletic structure like that.
Florida has all of it's own facilities and a massive donor and alumni base (all of which funnel money back into the university). Memphis rents from the Grizzlies in basketball, and their football stadium is about 10 steps below Commonwealth, which isn't extremely nice to begin with. Memphis' alumni base is also not even close to Florida (Florida's is on par with schools like Ohio State and USC, Memphis' is on par with schools like Louisville and Cincinnati. Schools like Kentucky, UGA, etc. fall somewhere in between those 2 groups).
Florida has a national brand that is very widely recognized and admired, Memphis is just "that school that was good at basketball when John Calipari was there".
Florida is an extremely desirable place for recruits to move to (they picture sunshine year-round, beaches 30 minutes away, beautiful women and fun night life). Memphis is not any of those things (dirty city, cold for 5 months out of the year, high unemployment and crime rates, etc.).
I hate Florida like no other, I cannot stand the school or their fans, but credit where credit is due, Florida will be fine. The same way Ohio State will be fine when Thad Matta retires.
They have the athletic structure now to sustain success and be successful.
Thank you for bringing this up. I did not understand the talking heads last season all trumpeting the Big 12 as the best conference. Made absolutely zero sense, and March proved it.
I actually think Florida will sink back to mediocrity in basketball. It isn't a fully supported sport there, much like the problems UK has had in football. They got lucky with one coach hire. But that isn't the issue. Past success has little bearing on future success. It is all about the coach and the guys he can bring in. Billy Clyde would have never gotten to a FF, despite our tremendous history.
There is far too much name calling allowed on this board. Mods need to do better. I don't recall seeing any qualifying IMO from you but maybe I missed it.
I do understand the point about them accomplishing more, but I suspect that if you gave Pearl the talent That Barnes had at Texas year after year, he would have accomplished more than Barnes did. It's hard for me to find anyone who does less with more than Rick Barnes. He's a good recruiter and that's pretty much it imo.
I do understand the point about them accomplishing more, but I suspect that if you gave Pearl the talent That Barnes had at Texas year after year, he would have accomplished more than Barnes did. It's hard for me to find anyone who does less with more than Rick Barnes. He's a good recruiter and that's pretty much it imo.
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