Which scandal was worse?

[MSU129]

I really can't decide. UL or UNC, both were illegal, and neither I would want to tell my family that I did. Only thing I do know is UNC has to be happy the UL took their spotlight.

Was also thinking today about how funny it is that the 2 most hated programs in men's ball unless you are a fan of one of them are now able to laugh at their in state rivals.

 

[BurpinTurpin]

The Louisville scandal is pretty sleazy, but it doesn't even remotely approach the cheating and subsequent cover up by UNC.

 

[Smashcat]

The Louisville scandal is pretty sleazy, but it doesn't even remotely approach the cheating and subsequent cover up by UNC.

I agree. Doesn't hold a candle to the decades of institutionalized cheating at UNC.

 

[jgraf_1]

Unc was systematic and had been for decades. From all indications mcgee was the loan assailant with money probably being funneled from somewhere else. Unc wins this in a landslide. But ul will pay a bigger price. #justice

 

[Kycatspaws]

 

[kybassfan]

No comparison. NC is the single worst corruption to ever occur in college athletics. The longevity alone is without parallel. With UL, if you can get by the moral and pervy aspect of the infraction, it boils down to a short term illegal gift, benefit, etc.

Louisville should be penalized consistent with other recruit inducement or compensation cases the NCAA has worked. Then gut the coaching staff for the moral implications and move on. In my opinion, the North Carolina athletic department should be decimated completely. Their records completely wiped. Every employee associated with athletics and AFAM fired along with the university regents and president.

What NC did should never be allowed to happen again. There are some mistakes you simply cannot be allowed to make and which cannot be forgiven.

 

[bthaunert]

Baylor and Dave Bliss are on line 1.

 

[Ugoff]

If UL facilitated sex acts between minors, I say its the tards.

 

[jrpross]

Interesting dilemma. I feel like the UL scandal is worse just on kind of a moral/human decency level. I'd be more ashamed of it were my school. But as far as collegiate sports, and playing by the rules, I gotta give UNC the overall nod, if that makes any sense. Hiring hookers to lure players is ridiculous. But over a decade of fake classes to keep players eligible that shouldn't have been is blatant and consistent cheating. That should incurr a higher penalty.

 

[BobbyG_tickle_swerv]

I really can't decide. UL or UNC, both were illegal, and neither I would want to tell my family that I did. Only thing I do know is UNC has to be happy the UL took their spotlight.

Was also thinking today about how funny it is that the 2 most hated programs in men's ball unless you are a fan of one of them are now able to laugh at their in state rivals.

 

[DodgerDukie1985]

Unc wins this in a landslide. But ul will pay a bigger price. #justice

Correct on number one, very likely correct on number two.

Baylor and Dave Bliss are on line 1.

This is definitely up there also. I'd at least rank it ahead of Louisville.

 

[UKvisitor]

UNC is hands down Winner of the worst scandal in college sports history. National Champions, they could hang a banner.

UCLA could challenge that.

UL scandal is 2nd rate at best.

 

[Don't TrashTheCats]

Pimping out 17 year olds. Felony. Procuring prostitutes for 17 year olds Felony. Somebody will see jail time over this. Maybe Katina and McGhee will avoid jail time by cooperating with authorities. I expect the whole story to come out. Pitino, Jurich and many others to lose their jobs. A total house cleaning. That makes it the worst.

 

[johnnyrockets]

UNC's is worse in terms of the impact it had on the people that should be most important to the program--the players. They were quite literally cheated out of the education they were promised in return for playing sports at UNC. I don't really think the scandal at UofL caused any lasting damage to the players, individually.

That said, hookers in the dorm is a much catchier headline than fake classes, and will attract more attention because of it.

 

[MSU129]

Well obviously to everyone UL's scandal is illegal, but I work in financial aid at a college and know that what UNC is illegal. In order to receive financial aid a student has to be taking classes towards their degree or certificate. I'm no expert, and I guess those classes were towards their degree, but they were bogus classes. So they used government dollars (Pell grant) to help pay for bogus classes.

 

[DDS62]

Neither compare to the Penn state scandal, but UofL comes close. Joe Paterno thought to be a God while he was enabling the rape of young boys and Pitino who thought of himself as a God now trying to cover it all up to save his own butt. When you look at the character of so many Athletes and these singular incidents it paints a poor picture of American culture. More so because their is really no consensus to clean this stuff up, only cover it up.

 

[Bryce21]

LOL.....I am a Duke fan who visits this board regularly just to watch Bobby defend UNC to no end. I knew he would make an appearance in this thread.

 

[kybassfan]

LOL.....I am a Duke fan who visits this board regularly just to watch Bobby defend UNC to no end. I knew he would make an appearance in this thread.

No kidding. I think that gif he used in this thread is a capture of his reaction when somebody uttered the word:

Breathe.

 

[UKCatsFan10]

UNC wins this ones... Their scandal affects every student that has come through that university while the fake classes were taking place, even though nearly all of these students had no idea it was happening. A degree from UNC took a hit in the eyes of employers across the country, which is completely unfair for the students that attended that university.

Everyone just sees Louisville as a sleazy college now. Most people already did, but Louisville made sure not to leave a soul out there that didn't realize the amount of sleaziness taking place at their university.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

UNC hands down

 

[martinsm30]

UNC*** 20 years of fraud. UL's scandal just meets my expectations of that school.

 

[dezyDeco]

UNCheat gets my vote.

20 years, and probably more than that, spread across different coaches/programs/administrations...

it's beyond ridiculous that something like that got the look-the-other-way treatment for so long.

 

[DY9ASTY]

UNC by a mile in my opinion. There were way more people involved and lasted 18+ years.

 

[fabcat]

The Louisville scandal is pretty sleazy, but it doesn't even remotely approach the cheating and subsequent cover up by UNC.

I agree. While UL's scandal is sleazy, UNC's is academic fraud. Not sure it can get any worse than giving bogus grades for kids to be eligible to play a sport.

 

[kybassfan]

Ok, I know the point here is Roy is the GOAT cheating coach.

But . . . what's that look on his face? Its like he is channeling Crean. Poor goat.

 

[swflCAT]

No comparison. NC is the single worst corruption to ever occur in college athletics. The longevity alone is without parallel. With UL, if you can get by the moral and pervy aspect of the infraction, it boils down to a short term illegal gift, benefit, etc.

Louisville should be penalized consistent with other recruit inducement or compensation cases the NCAA has worked. Then gut the coaching staff for the moral implications and move on. In my opinion, the North Carolina athletic department should be decimated completely. Their records completely wiped. Every employee associated with athletics and AFAM fired along with the university regents and president.

What NC did should never be allowed to happen again. There are some mistakes you simply cannot be allowed to make and which cannot be forgiven.

No comparison. NC is the single worst corruption to ever occur in college athletics. The longevity alone is without parallel. With UL, if you can get by the moral and pervy aspect of the infraction, it boils down to a short term illegal gift, benefit, etc.

Louisville should be penalized consistent with other recruit inducement or compensation cases the NCAA has worked. Then gut the coaching staff for the moral implications and move on. In my opinion, the North Carolina athletic department should be decimated completely. Their records completely wiped. Every employee associated with athletics and AFAM fired along with the university regents and president.

What NC did should never be allowed to happen again. There are some mistakes you simply cannot be allowed to make and which cannot be forgiven.

That is pretty much my thinking. Louisville, do them like they have done Cal.... take'em away and punish. In the North Carolina deal.... wipe all the records of every sport that had a participant. Fire all administrators/ teachers that were directly involved and charge them with a crime; prosecute, fine and put them in jail for a while - there is no excuse for using a human as a tool/ possession - this took place at an institution that was supposed to be one of the best, at developing young people into great humans. I don't know what the regents are or do, but for sure the president needs to go. When lives are getting screwed up, for sure some of top needs to go.

I'm not sure everyone associated with athletics needs to go. I would guess that some there didn't have a clue what was going on, struggling to meet all the needs of their family, did their job and went home. Some could have had an ideal or even known but couldn't do anything about it except lose their job and wreck their life. It is possible to be put in a no win situation. I have seen it in Kentucky State Government.

 

[kybassfan]

That is pretty much my thinking. Louisville, do them like they have done Cal.... take'em away and punish. In the North Carolina deal.... wipe all the records of every sport that had a participant. Fire all administrators/ teachers that were directly involved and charge them with a crime; prosecute, fine and put them in jail for a while - there is no excuse for using a human as a tool/ possession - this took place at an institution that was supposed to be one of the best, at developing young people into great humans. I don't know what the regents are or do, but for sure the president needs to go. When lives are getting screwed up, for sure some of top needs to go.

I'm not sure everyone associated with athletics needs to go. I would guess that some there didn't have a clue what was going on, struggling to meet all the needs of their family, did their job and went home. Some could have had an ideal or even known but couldn't do anything about it except lose their job and wreck their life. It is possible to be put in a no win situation. I have seen it in Kentucky State Government.

I should note that's the sort of punishment I believe is warranted. I don't believe that's what will happen. I agree that my 'fantasy' justice would be terribly harsh on those not involved. It's a tough spot because NC has proven that they are untrustworthy and not deserving of the privalege of participation. I truly believe that institution should be utterly humiliated. I don't know how avoid harming innocents. If you allow the non-implicated to continue then other athletes are forced to compete against an unworthy institution. For example I would prefer to see KY forfeit rather than play NC again. Our cats should never have stoop to playing scum like that.

What I think will actually happen will be somewhere between nothing and a few scholarships lost and a vacated championship and a few vacated wins. The NCAA lacks the balls and integrity to do what's right. NC is too corrupt to self impose more than a hangnail.

 

[jf121264]

UNC is worse and there getting away with it. The NCAA won't do anything to them. UofL isn't going to be that lucky.

 

[UK Widget]

UNC and not even close, but UofL will get hit the hardest.

 

[Xception]

UL gave players sex education

UNC gave players no education