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When Cal gets leads...

I would like to see a link to Cal admitting that he thought he had the Wisconsin game won.
"All of a sudden I look up, we're up four. I'm like, We're going to win this thing. Then, you know, a play here, a play there, all of a sudden we don't post it. They crowd us, we don't post it again, we take a late shot... We're not a team that takes shot clock violations."
 
not sure its exactly Coach Cal or what..but imo..it just seems the team gets a big lead..and starts phoning in the rest of the game
 
"All of a sudden I look up, we're up four. I'm like, We're going to win this thing. Then, you know, a play here, a play there, all of a sudden we don't post it. They crowd us, we don't post it again, we take a late shot... We're not a team that takes shot clock violations."

"We're going to win this thing" isn't the same as thinking the game was over. I don't think Cal thought that.

Thanks for the quote, though. At least I know where you're coming from.
 
cal's accomplishments as a coach speak for themselves. especially at uk. if at this point if you are criticizing his ability it says more about you than anything else.

people hind under the "its just my opinion - free country"...but that is just crap. its either you think too highly of your basketball knowledge which mostly entails watching tv or you just have something against cal and thats never going to change.


Are you a UK fan or a Cal fan?
 
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Any objective fan has to admit Cal gets very conservative with the lead in the closing minutes. I noticed yesterday he was telling Ulis to "back it out" a few times, once when we had only the two point lead.

Back in the day, he would be like Dean Smith and the four corners.
 
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Did no one else want cal to call a timeout after the first few times Murray made a turnover or took a bad shot when we were up big?
 
you may not believe this...but the other coach dials up a play to prevent it....

So as a coach it would be your position to never draw up a play...because, well, the other coach will just "dial up a play to prevent it???"

lol
 
Any objective fan has to admit Cal gets very conservative with the lead in the closing minutes. I noticed yesterday he was telling Ulis to "back it out" a few times, once when we had only the two point lead.

Back in the day, he would be like Dean Smith and the four corners.

Key word here is "OBJECTIVE", not many of those around here. What few there is, gets labeled as not a true fan.
 
I guess we just have to live with beating Louisville 8 out of 9 times and beating Kansas for the National Championship. What a rough life.

That is the bright spots, the dark spots are losing to a mediocre UCONN team in 14, and losing to Whisky last year, because of shot clock violations. If it is happening year after year with all new players, you got to expect it is coming from the coach. BUT, if beating Louisville is all you want out of our team, then you have reason to celebrate.
 
I am definitely glad that Cal is our coach. But I also don't think that it is forbidden to criticize specific calls on a message board. By definition, if you are here, you care too much about UK basketball. I realize I am here with you. Having said that, I do think that late in the game yesterday we waited too late in the shot clock to start our plays. We've done that in other games and end up with shot clock violations. If Hawkins takes the one three as the clock is winding down and Murray actually jumps into the defender he got off his feet, I'm not sure we would have noticed. It really seemed yesterday that when we started our play with 9 seconds on the shot clock people didn't want to take the shot. I get that UL was defending, but if you are going to wait that long to get going, we should have multiple options. I am no Cal basher, but if we were to design the perfect coach, that is one criticism that I think is fair.
 
UK teams do appear to try not to lose when they have a lead. Maybe that's inexperience but it seems to give the other teams renewed confidence. They no longer have to play defense against us.

However, I do like Cal's overall results. What do I know. This is the internet.
 
It's obvious that when Cal's teams get a lead, he will milk the clock. I have always thought that this was done because of Cal's belief that half court execution down the stretch of NCAA games was vital to winning big Madness games. It will be interesting the effect of a shorter shot clock and the how "freedom of movement" is called during the NCAA. Those things could have huge effects on late game situations in the NCAA's.
 
That is the bright spots, the dark spots are losing to a mediocre UCONN team in 14, and losing to Whisky last year, because of shot clock violations. If it is happening year after year with all new players, you got to expect it is coming from the coach. BUT, if beating Louisville is all you want out of our team, then you have reason to celebrate.
Actually I like the 4 out of 5 years we have been to the final four. I put that on Cal. I also like the NCAA title he won. UK has only won 4 in the past 57 years and he has one of them. And since he owns Pimptino and the tards too, his run has been stellar.
 
Actually I like the 4 out of 5 years we have been to the final four. I put that on Cal. I also like the NCAA title he won. UK has only won 4 in the past 57 years and he has one of them. And since he owns Pimptino and the tards too, his run has been stellar.
Stop trying to spoil their fun with the truth.
 
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That is the bright spots, the dark spots are losing to a mediocre UCONN team in 14, and losing to Whisky last year, because of shot clock violations. If it is happening year after year with all new players, you got to expect it is coming from the coach. BUT, if beating Louisville is all you want out of our team, then you have reason to celebrate.
So if UConn was mediocre as a 7 seed what were we as an 8 seed? They beat the overall #1 seed in Florida, who beat us 3 times, and a Michigan state team that was most people's pick to win it all. Not to mention key guys who had already won another title. They were simply a bad matchup for us. For Cal to even get that team through the hardest path to a championship game in history was one of the greatest tournament coaching jobs in history. We ran out of gas. It sucks we lost but I will always cherish and be proud of that run. It was incredible.
 
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do you think cal dialed up a 5 second call? guys have to make the play. cut and make the pass. its not hard. not on cal...its on players for not executing.
No but he did have Tyler keep taking it out which was dumb as hell. That was the sole reason for not being able to get it in. They had no trouble getting it in and down the floor when Tyler was receiving the inbounds pass.

Be honest, Cal has screwed up more late game situations than he's done something good in. It's been that way since year 1 with Cal and will obviously continue to be that way.

Yeah I'm glad he's here but he has a ton to improve on during the last 5 minutes of a close game or playing with a lead. It doesn't hurt as much during the season but in the tournament when we play great teams late in the tournament it kills us. Cost us a title last year.
 
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I'll take Cal and his results all day; some of our fans need to think back to the horrid BCG days and how LUCKY we are to have him as our coach.

I honestly believe his philosophy is thus: that in a close game, in the closing minutes and we have the lead, he wants to take as much TIME off the clock as possible, have our guys make a play and, if we miss the shot, hope for a rebound. In the event we don't get the rebound, he is relying on our defense to get a crucial stop, but it's all about taking all the seconds he can off the clock.

Is that the best way? Hell I don't know, but what I do know is he has the stats to prove he is one of the best; four FF'S and a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP tell me to let him make those decisions, and to allow him some praise for it all.

He's earned it, IMO.
 
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We were up 22 at one point on KU, Cal even admitted after the game that he pull it back too early. This is his MO, and we have to live with it.
We won! We almost always win! Surely you guys could see, if you weren't quite so close and zoomed out a good bit, that this line of complaint......it's a bit like dating a beautiful, sexy Victoria's Secret model. She's beautiful, rich and famous, and loves you deeply, is fully committed to you. And you derive all the benefits that go along with that. Except....you notice one day she has a very small mole just above the ankle on her right leg. So small you almost can't see it, but now that you have seen it, you can't not see it, and you find yourself dwelling on that one bit of imperfection on an otherwise perfect creature sent from Heaven above.

That's what complaining about "Cal takes the air out of the ball at the end of games!" sounds like.....
 
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No but he did have Tyler keep taking it out which was dumb as hell.
Nope. Standard. Heard a former college coach on local radio today. Said this was the smart play. If you have someone else take it out and throw it in to Tyler, it's an easy trap situation, especially for a trapping team. He throws it in, gets it right back, and as long as he doesn't get it back in the corner, no trap. Standard treatment.

Be honest, Cal has screwed up more late game situations than he's done something good in. It's been that way since year 1 with Cal and will obviously continue to be that way.
That should be easy enough to refute or confirm. Look at the close games we've had since he's been here. Have we won more, or lost more? Answer: obvious.
 
Louseyville had no success in trapping Ulis the entire time he was receiving the inbounds pass, at least from my vantage point. He had no trouble breaking the press when doing so.
Any objective viewer could see that we struggled the most getting the ball inbounds when Tyler was impounding the ball.
 
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Nope. Standard. Heard a former college coach on local radio today. Said this was the smart play. If you have someone else take it out and throw it in to Tyler, it's an easy trap situation, especially for a trapping team. He throws it in, gets it right back, and as long as he doesn't get it back in the corner, no trap. Standard treatment.


That should be easy enough to refute or confirm. Look at the close games we've had since he's been here. Have we won more, or lost more? Answer: obvious.

"Homer" answers, which is fine, after all it's a message board for fans so it's certainly expected...but

it was easy to see when we struggled getting it inbounds on the press...Tyler was taking it out & Murray &'Hawkins had trouble getting open

In how many of those close games did we have easily the most talent on the floor? somewhere near 100%
 
We really didn't set on it look at our possessions up 16 @ 17 minute mark

17 minute
Missed 3 Murray
Missed 3 Hawkins
Missed 3 Murray
Missed 2 Murray bad
Bad lob pass Hawkins
Bad shot Poythress
Missed 3 Willis
Made 3 Murray as/Hawk
Turnover Murray
Turnover Murray
1/2 Free Throw Murray
Ulis 3
Hawkins 2 Missed FT
Turnover Willis press
Ulis missed 3
Turnover Murray
Murray 3
Murray 3
Miss 3 Murray
Miss dunk Murray
Ulis Turnover press
65-64 UK
Ulis 3 30'
Lee dunk
Ulis miss 3
70-68 UK
Hawkins 3
Team turnover 5 second
Hawkins 2 free throws
1:57 left 75-70
Murray missed 3
Team T.O shot clock
Game over
75-73
 
"Homer" answers, which is fine, after all it's a message board for fans so it's certainly expected...but

it was easy to see when we struggled getting it inbounds on the press...Tyler was taking it out & Murray &'Hawkins had trouble getting open

In how many of those close games did we have easily the most talent on the floor? somewhere near 100%
How many times in those close wins did we have as much experience as the other team. Somewhere near 0%.

I love how you were nowhere to be found last year, or after ripping the team all season in 2014 you disappeared when we went on our run to the title game only to show up after the loss to UConn, and now have only returned after our 2nd loss to spew more garbage. So cool you are 3rex. Always ready to try and discredit Cal. You and Cutnets, if you're not the same person, would be perfect for eachother.
 
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No but he did have Tyler keep taking it out which was dumb as hell. That was the sole reason for not being able to get it in. They had no trouble getting it in and down the floor when Tyler was receiving the inbounds pass.

Be honest, Cal has screwed up more late game situations than he's done something good in. It's been that way since year 1 with Cal and will obviously continue to be that way.

Yeah I'm glad he's here but he has a ton to improve on during the last 5 minutes of a close game or playing with a lead. It doesn't hurt as much during the season but in the tournament when we play great teams late in the tournament it kills us. Cost us a title last year.
Cal has done more to screw up late in games than to do something good? Bullshit. You only remember the losses apparently.
 
"Homer" answers, which is fine, after all it's a message board for fans so it's certainly expected...but

it was easy to see when we struggled getting it inbounds on the press...Tyler was taking it out & Murray &'Hawkins had trouble getting open

In how many of those close games did we have easily the most talent on the floor? somewhere near 100%
Easily? Well no, not near 100% - unless you use that silly Louisville fan logic that more AAs over 7 years = more talent... completely disregarding departures (versus retention for other schools) and youth which often keeps talent from manifesting fully.

We basically never have "easily" more talent than Kansas, Duke, or UNC. At worst, they'll have one less blue chip kid than us. And Cal has a winning record vs Roy and Self. Duke has had just as many per year, and they're coached by the GOAT, and Cal does just fine against him, too.

How many five stars do we need to stop feeling bad for Donovan, Matta, Barnes, Miller etc. 4 or 5 on the roster isn't enough?

Besides all that, the other guy said that Cal screws up more than performs well in late game situations... Well, when Cal has won like 85% of single digit games, whatever the explanation, that claim seems to be highly questionable.
 
I have seen a lot of idiocy and total conjecture in this thread. For those of you who think Calipari is a bad in-game coach, did you know:

  • Tyler Ulis played almost the entire game so...
  • Tyler Ulis was cramping up for the last several minutes
  • Jamal Murray had 7 turnovers
  • Briscoe was out just prior to the game (hence the other primary PG was removed from the game plan)
  • Marcus Lee and Charles Matthews had 4 fouls
  • Labissiere was missing on both offense and defense again
So that is why Ulis was inbounding the ball so he didn't have to expend the energy fighting to get free from a double team. That is also why we slowed down the game at the end. We had defensive troubles without Poythress and Lee on the court. They also did not get much rest. If we run more plays and get Lee fouled out, you get Labissiere defending down low. Murray almost turned it over several more times even with Ulis out there. I'm not at all sure why so many of you are sure that you are a better coach than Calipari because you do not, apparently, know the above facts. Otherwise, you would clearly understand (since you are such outstanding coaches) that Calipari made very logical choices given the game situation.
 
How many times in those close wins did we have as much experience as the other team. Somewhere near 0%.

I love how you were nowhere to be found last year, or after ripping the team all season in 2014 you disappeared when we went on our run to the title game only to show up after the loss to UConn, and now have only returned after our 2nd loss to spew more garbage. So cool you are 3rex. Always ready to try and discredit Cal. You and Cutnets, if you're not the same person, would be perfect for eachother.

Talent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience

not even close....not even an argument
 
When cal's teams have the lead in the last 10 minutes, the guost of tubby smith takes over cals body, and he says to himself "lets play plowball!"

Of course I'm being sarcastic, but with the new shot clock, you might as well try to get the best shot possible, cause
by the time you run a few seconds off, youre stuck with a saul smith heave with 1 or 2 seconds to go.
 
When we get back to the Final Four, I'm giving Cal the benefit of the doubt & believing that our strategy if ahead in the final minutes will not be to pound the ball into the floor while the shot clock runs down, or out, each time down the floor.
 
My opinion is shaded because of the huge failure in the NCAA last year, almost blowing it today and the memory of other close games that he made even closer.
Are you kidding? A Final Four, even here at Kentucky where expectations are more unreasonable than anywhere in the country, is NEVER a failure. Was it a disappointment...yes, but to say that it was a failure is ignorant and shows your huge lack of perspective.
 
Are you kidding? A Final Four, even here at Kentucky where expectations are more unreasonable than anywhere in the country, is NEVER a failure. Was it a disappointment...yes, but to say that it was a failure is ignorant and shows your huge lack of perspective.
When you have a team that the whole country is talking about going 40 and 0, have 7 players
drafted or signed to contracts and then blow the game by trying to sit on too small of a lead with too much time, that's failure.
 
Cal slows the ball down. He believes if he limits teams possessions they won't have enough time to come back. Sometimes that theory gets too close for comfort; and sometimes we lose (not often). Sometimes I wish he'd call a timeout wirh bigger leads and tell the team the "game is tied". I bet it would work on younger guys like he has.

My issue is when we've got smaller leads and he tries to do this. It's like he closes his eyes with 5 minutes to go, up by 6, and wishes the game was over. And cal did cost the Wisconsin game on that . I can't believe we've got posters that Still defend him about it and throw the Harrison's under the bus. One more time for the challenged:

Cal is the head coach. It's a final four game, and he allowed 3 straight shot clock violations without correcting the mess on the court. It's completely on him and no one else. You don't have to like it, but try and deal with it.

Having said that, can someone imagine for a moment cal letting his teams play loose and fast at the end of games? All we'd hear is "Cals teams play out of control late" and some of you know it. "It's that AAU ball crap again". I can hear it now.

There's something about Calipari, and there always has been, that makes for a lose/lose situation every time lol. Maybe it's his look.
 
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