For the Cats to win it all? Is it possible or have we reached the pinnacle of what Stoops can do?
What will it take?
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No way we have reached the pinnacle.
I believe NY6 bowls are the next hurdle and then sneaking into the FF with an 11-1 season with the lone L being to Georgia who wins the SEC.
From there maybe UGA loses in the semis and we pull a rabbit out of our hat and beat the team that beat Georgia in the finals?
I just want to start beating Tennessee regularly
Who knows..... If the question were, will we ever be as talented as Bama or UGA, my answered would be no. Can Stoops add a few difference makers to a veteran team and go on a run, my answer to that would be maybe, depends how good the other two are that year.
If we can have about 5-6 impact Transfers/Freshman from this historic UK class to fill holes in the O Line, D Line, WR and Secondary, with who we have comin back and who we may still have coming back we will have an outside shot at 11-1 next yr with the lone L coming to you know who.
If you doubt me go look at the schedule.
8 of 12 at home for starters which includes no Bama and a rebuilding Florida.
Make no mistake about it, if we can win at Ole Miss and at UT we can go 11-1, if the 5-6 impact Freshman and transfers come to fruition.
I don’t think we will ever be able to recruit the way the Georgia’s or Alabama’s of the world do, but the transfer portal changes things. If Stoops and Company can recruit at a top 15 level like they showed they could this year, and they additionally get some stud transfers on a year where it all comes together, I think they could challenge for an SEC championship and win the East.
Once you make it that far the Playoff becomes a real possibility. If the Playoff expands then I think it becomes a serious aspiration. One step at a time though. Would love to see next year’s team have a Sugar Bowl level season. With our returnees so far, I think they have the potential to take that next step.
Once you make it that far the Playoff becomes a real possibility. If the Playoff expands then I think it becomes a serious aspiration. One step at a time though. Would love to see next year’s team have a Sugar Bowl level season. With our returnees so far, I think they have the potential to take that next step.
It is not possible. This place will never be able to get on the same level as traditional powerhouses.
The absolute best we can hope for is seasons like this year. That’s our max. Maybe one day we can luck into a NY6 bowl but we are never winning an SEC championship or a national championship.
You’re a real bundle of joy.
Honestly we would have to get extremely lucky. We'd have to find a way to beat Georgia and avoid any mid season losses to Miss State or Tennessee. Then in that same year Alabama would have to lose some fluke games so we get a reasonable opponent in a hypothetical SEC championship game. Needless to say this is all unlikely. Stoops has majorly upgraded the program but we're not 5 stars out the ying yang like Bama and Georgia.
Still not gonna stop me from predicting 13-0 though
Still not gonna stop me from predicting 13-0 though
1 year ago i would have said that was as good as it will get
but with the change in offense i think we can get to atlanta
with better depth.
We will never have the personnel those guys have unless they go through a coaching change and have a jacked up hire somehow. We celebrated getting a highly ranked transfer that only got a handful of snaps at osu but he was highly ranked and we should be happy…but my point is this guy didn’t seem to be standing out at osu even though he is young and most on here would say osu doesn’t have enough sec upper crust players.
our dline has gotten reasonably stout but it doesn’t sniff the speed of these teams
our dline has gotten reasonably stout but it doesn’t sniff the speed of these teams
I’m never going to say never tho. A lot of people thought 10 win seasons were never going to happen here and we’ve had 2 in the last 4 years.
It’s called being a realist. Too much delusion. We can finally be competitive and that’s awesome especially considering where this program has been traditionally and not too long ago. But we are lightyears from being on a national level of recruiting and competing like Bama or Georgia or the other big boys. Look at our recruiting classes compared to everyone else’s in the conference.
Yeah that seemed like a pipe dream but when you think about it. We have four OOC cupcakes a year. That will start you off with four automatic wins right there normally. Then we have Vandy so that puts you halfway there. Then you’ve got SC and Missouri who are mediocre at best most years.
That’s a pretty good boost. We have to consistently beat Florida and Tennessee for things to get real interesting, and then maybe catch Georgia on an off year some day.
That is a HUGE step. I always say that the step from average to good is tough, but the step from good to great is almost impossible. I truly believe we can make the SEC title game (I can’t even believe I’m typing that). It would take a special season and for UGA to take a little step backwards, but it can happen.
Our best bet is to hope the playoffs moves to 12 teams like is talked about. I feel like we could make the playoffs at some point if that is the case.
Our best bet is to hope the playoffs moves to 12 teams like is talked about. I feel like we could make the playoffs at some point if that is the case.
I may be drinking too much gin tonight, but after all of the announcements of who is returning and the transfer from Ohio State, along with the recruiting class we just had and our schedule next year, we could strike lightning in a bottle and win the east. If that happens, its one game to have a shot at the playoff. I'm going to be 86 before our next football season happens (god willing and if the creek don't rise) and I'd love to see it before I find Glory.
These posts about Stoops hitting his ceiling have been going on since he "peaked" at 5 wins, 7 wins, and so on. It's ridiculous.
We have to keep upgrading talent level through recruiting and the portal.
Stoops continues to improve the talent level, and keeps beating teams with higher ranked classes.
There's no reason to think we'll stop the upward trajectory.
No one is going to win without top level recruiting, but unlike the past isn't limited to HS kids. Bama and UGA both recruit very well, but also hit the portal. And recruiting isn't everything, as Bennet showed.
In that scenario we would end up being the #4 most ways you slice it as a 1 loss non-divison champion so a Georgia that wins the SEC would be almost assured of being our 1st round matchup. And now that I think of it getting into the playoffs like that would be tough and would take a year like this where that 4 spot if really weak. Doesnt help how teams such as UF and others look to be alot weaker now so it will be harder to pick up signature wins outside of UGA
Auburn won the title in 2010. Their talent and coaching were not too dissimilar to ours. I don’t think they had too many top 10 recruiting classes before they won.
2009 - #19
2008 - #20
2007 - #7
2006 - #10
What they had was Cam Newton and luck.
Jimbo and FSU won it in 2013. They did play 5 ranked opponents but play in the ACC….an arguably easier road. I think Jimbo pulled in some upper ranked classes but am not totally sure. (after double checking he mainly had top 10 classes, but nothing what Bama/Clemson/OSU classes have been looking like)
What they had was Jameis Winston and Luck.
So, I don’t think it’s impossible for us to win a NC…..but obviously it’s unlikely. But like others have said, it’s several large steps ahead. Need to focus on the next step.
2009 - #19
2008 - #20
2007 - #7
2006 - #10
What they had was Cam Newton and luck.
Jimbo and FSU won it in 2013. They did play 5 ranked opponents but play in the ACC….an arguably easier road. I think Jimbo pulled in some upper ranked classes but am not totally sure. (after double checking he mainly had top 10 classes, but nothing what Bama/Clemson/OSU classes have been looking like)
What they had was Jameis Winston and Luck.
So, I don’t think it’s impossible for us to win a NC…..but obviously it’s unlikely. But like others have said, it’s several large steps ahead. Need to focus on the next step.
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We played the national champions on their home field this year, both teams undefeated, the SEC East on the line, and we we’re only down 14-7 at the half. We left points on the field and we totally missed the chance to recover a fumble. The final drive of the game they couldn’t stop us with their first team D. We are closer than a lot of people think.
Eh in today’s landscape with as much money that’s being thrown around i disagree. Particularly if Kentucky can get an Elite QB with the way we recruit now.
What will it take?
All of these things should keep us on the track of incremental improvement in quantity-of-wins year-over-year until we're a 1 or two loss team after which we.........win the East, Win the Conference, Win the NC.
GBB!
- Continued movement to a modern offense that eventually nets us 35+ PPG.
- Leverage the better offense to attract skill players (especially QBs that can "win games for us" rather than "manage games for us").
- Maintain the meat and potatoes of good OL/DL talent, depth, and execution as the foundation for our success.
- Continued progression in recruiting inside the top 10....Keep Marrow at all costs.
- Maintain historic practice of good retention and development of recruited players....continue to put multiple players in "the league" each year.
- Continued smart use of the transfer portal for high quality/high character gap-fills.
- Keep up the Schlarman-Doctrine/UK Depth Factory of getting masses of players reps and sets in live games to keep them focused, reward hard work, and to start each new season with a host of "returning lettermen" if not "returning starters."
- A by-product of our recent success is that our coordinators and assistants will be poached.....keep up the great coaching staff hiring practices to reload our sidelines with top shelf technicians, teachers, and recruiters.
- Tier Coach Stoops' incentives toward 10+ - win seasons. Increase his buyout.
- Year in & Year out: Beat who we're supposed to beat, and take down one or maybe two opponents we're not supposed to beat.
All of these things should keep us on the track of incremental improvement in quantity-of-wins year-over-year until we're a 1 or two loss team after which we.........win the East, Win the Conference, Win the NC.
GBB!
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I agree ,,No one thought we could recruit at this level 5 years ago or win with less talent ! I'm stoked to see what this crew can do with the talent they have coming in ! Just think if we had a Class or two Like bama or UGA gets
That 2013 FSU team was loaded. Winston was great but they were a lot more than "just Winston." They had 25 NFL draft picks on that team, 5 guys who have won Super Bowls, and featured talent like Jalen Ramsey, Kelvin Benjamin, DeVonta Freeman, Lamarcus Joyner, Bryan Stork who played for the Pats, Tre Jackson, Ronald Darby, etc. They blew everyone out until the title game and that "easier road" included 11-2 Clemson who was on the cusp of a dynasty and then beating the SEC champ Auburn (I was there at the Rose Bowl) in a classic game.
Even though this pic is from 2015, it sheds a little more light on just how insanely good that FSU team was that year. That group only lost one game in two years. The 2014 team even had Dalvin Cook but the inner turmoil of that group took them down.
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That 2013 FSU team was loaded. Winston was great but they were a lot more than "just Winston." They had 25 NFL draft picks on that team, 5 guys who have won Super Bowls, and featured talent like Jalen Ramsey, Kelvin Benjamin, DeVonta Freeman, Lamarcus Joyner, Bryan Stork who played for the Pats, Tre Jackson, Ronald Darby, etc. They blew everyone out until the title game and that "easier road" included 11-2 Clemson who was on the cusp of a dynasty and then beating the SEC champ Auburn (I was there at the Rose Bowl) in a classic game.
Even though this pic is from 2015, it sheds a little more light on just how insanely good that FSU team was that year. That group only lost one game in two years. The 2014 team even had Dalvin Cook but the inner turmoil of that group took them down.
Ok, so maybe not the best comp. Thx.
I dunno, what's stopping
Miami
Michigan
Oklahoma
Texas
Oregon
Penn State
Tennessee
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Notre Dame
That's just 10 traditional historic winning programs off the top of my head that ain't any closer to winning it all than Kentucky is now.
Then you have some other teams who have won it all recently
Florida State
Florida
Southern Cal
LSU
I mean hell fire Ohio State has been a top 10, top 5 team year after year for 30+ years. 2 titles over that time.
It is damn hard to be the very best college football team in the country!! As others said the elements needed are (1)overwhelmingly talented QB (although Georgia overcame this) and (2)helluvalot of good luck.
I don't see it happening anytime soon. But I would argue that it will be easier for Stoops to get from where we are now , to that level. Than where we are now from where Stoops started.
Getting out of the cellar is by far the most difficult part.
Getting out of the cellar is by far the most difficult part.
1. Stoops need to keep Coen and build on a solid passing game we were able to develop. The potential of Barion Brown/Dane Key with elite WR play along with established OLine/rushing game is very intriguing.
2. I'd argue we are a bit away from edge pass rushers like elite teams have. Fearby/Wade have to hit for us to match edge rushing....in a new pass dominate world...you have to create pressure.
The rest of the part needs to maintain (and I think they will) is be hard to run the ball at us and be physical on the trenches.
2. I'd argue we are a bit away from edge pass rushers like elite teams have. Fearby/Wade have to hit for us to match edge rushing....in a new pass dominate world...you have to create pressure.
The rest of the part needs to maintain (and I think they will) is be hard to run the ball at us and be physical on the trenches.
Simple we will need to start spending $30 million each year on players. That's the only way we will be able to have the type of talent Bama and UGA have because we can't recruit at their level without "strong ass offers." We don't have the instate talent or the prestige as those types of teams.
We will never be consistently better than Georgia. Most years, probably not Florida, either. That's all I'm willing to concede in the east at this point. Tennessee has been rebuilding for 25 years it seems like. LOL @ USC, Vandy, and Missouri.
It would take a special season with a lot of help from the two teams I mentioned, but it can happen. ESPECIALLY if the playoffs go to 8 or 12 teams. Getting in is half the battle if not more.
It would take a special season with a lot of help from the two teams I mentioned, but it can happen. ESPECIALLY if the playoffs go to 8 or 12 teams. Getting in is half the battle if not more.
And not one team we are not capable of beating or have beaten in the past few years !
Can you in your wildest dreams see a CMS defense attack an offense like UGA did last night?
As opposed to bend don’t break.
As opposed to bend don’t break.
Depends. Have we seen personnel under Stoops that is remotely close to Georgia's this yr?
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