What are you doing Oldham County?

[KAB Cats]

There is a proposed 6 billion dollar investment into a data center in Oldham County, setting the area up perfectly for high paying tehcnical jobs and Ai investment. Yet and a loud group of residents trying to prevent it. I’m not overlooking that some people will be annoyed by change, but this is everything that is outraging about Kentucky politics. Our state’s economic growth shouldn’t be hinged on people who opposed change because they like staring at farms. It’s ass backwards.

Thank you.

Oldham County residents oppose data center being built, $6 billion project now on hold

The $6 billion data center project on the county's rural land is application is under a 'private utility,' according opposing residents.

www.whas11.com

 

[Tannerdad]

It was down the street from my daughter’s horse in a residential neighborhood. Bad spot. They are now going to put it where it needs to be. It will be in the bypass with other businesses and a better route. Unfortunately, they are going in where the drive in currently is and the drive in will relocate.

 

[KAB Cats]

It was down the street from my daughter’s horse in a residential neighborhood. Bad spot. They are now going to put it where it needs to be. It will be in the bypass with other businesses and a better route. Unfortunately, they are going in where the drive in currently is and the drive in will relocate.

Pretty key detail being left out here, which is that the new location means scaled back investment. Inexcusable.

We are talking about a project that is about 1.5% of Kentucky’s GDP. You could build 7 Yum! Centers with 6 billion dollars. Jobs lost for decades. Hostile corporate environment. Yet again we lose because of catering to people who can’t see the forest beyond the trees.

 

[JSgorocks]

It was down the street from my daughter’s horse in a residential neighborhood. Bad spot. They are now going to put it where it needs to be. It will be in the bypass with other businesses and a better route. Unfortunately, they are going in where the drive in currently is and the drive in will relocate.

Have a friend of mine that lives close to the proposed space too. I get why he was up in arms about it too.

 

[KAB Cats]

Have a friend of mine that lives close to the proposed space too. I get why he was up in arms about it too.

Is your friend against his real estate growing in value?

 

[TexasTimCat]

Just because it makes $$$ does not mean it is good.

I live in rural Shelby County, have worked in high tech my whole career. I would lose my mind if they built that near me.

I bought my property and built my house on land in the country because that is the lifestyle I sought. I fully understand their angst.

 

[Kybluedude]

Does it have to be in Oldham?

Plenty of other Ky counties with available land and space.

 

[KAB Cats]

Does it have to be in Oldham?

Plenty of other Ky counties with available land and space.

Good question. I have no answers. Assume part of draw of Oldham is a good education system with a high amount of educated upper middle class. To some degree they are denying the inevitable because OC isn’t turning back the clock on Louisville urban sprawl. Better to benefit from it than fight it. I don’t get it.

Transparently I’m in the tech field and live in Louisville, which makes it that much more infuriating.

 

[JSgorocks]

Is your friend against his real estate growing in value?

Hes a smart dude that owns a manufacturing company. If he’s against it then there’s reasons that I’m sure make good sense

 

[noncomposmentis]

When I first heard about this, I thought it was typical “not in my back yard” stuff. But it doesn’t take much reading to see it was a bad deal.

• Was to be a 600 mega watt center, the second biggest in the world. The biggest (at 650) sits on over 2000 acres. This one would be shoehorned into 260 acres
• It’s in the middle of horse farms, and it would not raise property values - to the contrary, would lower them drastically. Local realtors said by half, but who knows.
• Would consist of 8 buildings, each with more than 5 acres of interior space and 75 feet tall
• The data center would use enough electricity to power over 490,000 homes.
• The data center would consume over 1.5 million gallons of water daily
• It would burn over 1 million gallons of diesel every 24 hours
• I’m not - at all - an environmentalist, but these things really do pollute air and water in a significant way. Light and noise pollution are also significant
• The thing supposedly would generate over $51 million in taxes for the county annually - but the tax breaks given mean those monies won’t be paid for (I think) 25 years
• Local job impact is negligible - 175 jobs when fully operational
• Etc.

Needs to be out away from residential areas. And especially not in the midst of horse farms

 

[TucsonCat]

It's unAmerican to just rollover and let business build monstrosities wherever they want in your country and/or neighborhood. Good on Oldham County residents for demanding some planning on how their community is developed.

OP is a corporate bootlicker.

 

[bbnkat02]

There is a proposed 6 billion dollar investment into a data center in Oldham County, setting the area up perfectly for high paying tehcnical jobs and Ai investment. Yet and a loud group of residents trying to prevent it. I’m not overlooking that some people will be annoyed by change, but this is everything that is outraging about Kentucky politics. Our state’s economic growth shouldn’t be hinged on people who opposed change because they like staring at farms. It’s ass backwards.

Thank you.

Oldham County residents oppose data center being built, $6 billion project now on hold

The $6 billion data center project on the county's rural land is application is under a 'private utility,' according opposing residents.

www.whas11.com

Hopeful high paying technical jobs. Tech salaries took a bit of a hit last year; not a huge one mind you- but a bit- depending on specialization. And it inges on a lot of other things too. Hopkinsville was supposed to have a lithium battery plant take up shop. That was years ago. That's still in courts due to myriad factors.

And like it or not, people do get a right to say what comes into their town, even if it's against their best interests.

When I first heard about this, I thought it was typical “not in my back yard” stuff. But it doesn’t take much reading to see it was a bad deal.

• It would burn over 1 million gallons of diesel every 24 hours

That right there is my reason to say no. The pollution from that would be quite mesurable. And crammed in 270 acres?

Noooope. Nightmare waiting to happen for less than 200 jobs.

 

[KAB Cats]

When I first heard about this, I thought it was typical “not in my back yard” stuff. But it doesn’t take much reading to see it was a bad deal.

• Was to be a 600 mega watt center, the second biggest in the world. The biggest (at 650) sits on over 2000 acres. This one would be shoehorned into 260 acres
• It’s in the middle of horse farms, and it would not raise property values - to the contrary, would lower them drastically. Local realtors said by half, but who knows.
• Would consist of 8 buildings, each with more than 5 acres of interior space and 75 feet tall
• The data center would use enough electricity to power over 490,000 homes.
• The data center would consume over 1.5 million gallons of water daily
• It would burn over 1 million gallons of diesel every 24 hours
• I’m not - at all - an environmentalist, but these things really do pollute air and water in a significant way. Light and noise pollution are also significant
• The thing supposedly would generate over $51 million in taxes for the county annually - but the tax breaks given mean those monies won’t be paid for (I think) 25 years
• Local job impact is negligible - 175 jobs when fully operational
• Etc.

Needs to be out away from residential areas. And especially not in the midst of horse farms

Created thread for response like this as it is informative at least to what the opponents are arguing. Still want to verify. I shall research. Where did you get this information?

 

[BankerCat12]

There is a proposed 6 billion dollar investment into a data center in Oldham County, setting the area up perfectly for high paying tehcnical jobs and Ai investment. Yet and a loud group of residents trying to prevent it. I’m not overlooking that some people will be annoyed by change, but this is everything that is outraging about Kentucky politics. Our state’s economic growth shouldn’t be hinged on people who opposed change because they like staring at farms. It’s ass backwards.

Thank you.

Oldham County residents oppose data center being built, $6 billion project now on hold

The $6 billion data center project on the county's rural land is application is under a 'private utility,' according opposing residents.

www.whas11.com

Not sure you got the responses you were looking for with the title of this thread. You don't build this in one of the fastest growing residential counties in the state. You build this along I 64/65 or further up 71. I agree the state is backwards in its economic growth but this does not make sense.

 

[KAB Cats]

Not sure you got the responses you were looking for with the title of this thread. You don't build this in one of the fastest growing residential counties in the state. You build this along I 64/65 or further up 71. I agree the state is backwards in its economic growth but this does not make sense.

I did get the responses I was expecting. I disagree whole heartedly and I’m very dubious of the arguments against. There are several instances in Kentucky’s history, particularly in Louisville metro, where handwringing in the face of growth has led Louisville to lag from its neighbors and this kind of mentality is actually why. Thats not to say all claims are with our merit, but I will research.

 

[BankerCat12]

I did get the responses I was expecting. I disagree whole heartedly and I’m very dubious of the arguments against. There are several instances in Kentucky’s history, particularly in Louisville metro, where handwringing in the face of growth has led Louisville to lag from its neighbors and this kind of mentality is actually why. Thats not to say all claims are with our merit, but I will research.

Why do you disagree so much that this should be built in Oldham and not along a major interstate like Indiana and Ohio do? You dont build this in a growing residential area, especially around horse farms.

 

[KAB Cats]

Why do you disagree so much that this should be built in Oldham and not along a major interstate like Indiana and Ohio do? You dont build this in a growing residential area, especially around horse farms.

Your first question is absolutely enraging. Let me ask why you think jobs should be shifted to Indiana or Ohio? That’s exactly my point. I want to break my phone just reading that. If we can’t agree that jobs and growth are good, we can’t have this conversation. Will never agree on anything.

 

[BankerCat12]

Your first question is absolutely enraging. Let me ask why you think jobs should be shifted to Indiana or Ohio? That’s exactly my point. I want to break my phone just reading that. If we can’t agree that jobs and growth are good, we can’t have this conversation. Will never agree on anything.

Your comprehension is absolutely enraging. Ready my last two posts and concentrate on my last one. I have said why not along 64/65 or further up 71 and put along an interstate like Indiana and Ohio DO. Never once did I say move it to Indiana or Ohio. Read better.

 

[KAB Cats]

Your comprehension is absolutely enraging. Ready my last two posts and concentrate on my last one. I have said why not along 64/65 or further up 71 and put along an interstate like Indiana and Ohio DO. Never once did I say move it to Indiana or Ohio. Read better.

That's fair.

 

[KAB Cats]

Your comprehension is absolutely enraging. Ready my last two posts and concentrate on my last one. I have said why not along 64/65 or further up 71 and put along an interstate like Indiana and Ohio DO. Never once did I say move it to Indiana or Ohio. Read better.

Yea, apologies. I am ranting maniacally in between meetings. You are not as enraging now as you were. Still slightly enraging.... I have done a bit of research that i think is fair. I will post in bit.

 

[noncomposmentis]

Created thread for response like this as it is informative at least to what the opponents are arguing. Still want to verify. I shall research. Where did you get this information?

It has been covered pretty extensively in local news. There is a website - weareoldhamcounty.com - and (if you can stomach it) a Facebook page with the same sort of info. The Facebook page in particular is testament to human nature, I guess. All pitchforks, all the time. It's not enough to say "we don't want this in our neighborhood", they have to go beyond that and swear with absolute certainty that everyone involved with the thing is an absolute crook. Insert eyeroll. It's hard for me to believe that a magistrate in Lagrange KY, for example, is willing to go to jail by taking dollars under the table from the backers of this data center, but the folks in that group will swear they all have.

Agree with your larger point. When I moved to Louisville from Nashville close to 30 years ago, the difference in "vibe" was unmistakable. Nashville simply felt like a place that wanted to grow, and Louisville simple felt like a place that did not. The powers that be, the movers and shakers, the people generally, just liked being a mid-size town and wanted to stay that way and not have the problems that come with growing. Which explains this: in the 1950 census, Louisville was the #25 metro area, Indy was #29, Nashville #60. And now of course we are way behind those cities. Some will point to problems like traffic and housing costs and say that's a good outcome (and I couldn't live in Nashville today I don't think), others will point to jobs leaving (or never coming) and stagnation generally and say you get what you ask for.....

 

[PopesReignOverCardinals]

Who currently owns the land? Is it being sold to the company, or is it one of those lease deals where the current owner gets paid millions of dollars annually in rent? I don't understand why this specific property has been chosen unless the land owner has an existing "in" with the company. Clearly, the land owner won't be living there, so they don't care about their neighbors having to deal with it.

 

[KAB Cats]

It has been covered pretty extensively in local news. There is a website - weareoldhamcounty.com - and (if you can stomach it) a Facebook page with the same sort of info. The Facebook page in particular is testament to human nature, I guess. All pitchforks, all the time. It's not enough to say "we don't want this in our neighborhood", they have to go beyond that and swear with absolute certainty that everyone involved with the thing is an absolute crook. Insert eyeroll. It's hard for me to believe that a magistrate in Lagrange KY, for example, is willing to go to jail by taking dollars under the table from the backers of this data center, but the folks in that group will swear they all have.

Agree with your larger point. When I moved to Louisville from Nashville close to 30 years ago, the difference in "vibe" was unmistakable. Nashville simply felt like a place that wanted to grow, and Louisville simple felt like a place that did not. The powers that be, the movers and shakers, the people generally, just liked being a mid-size town and wanted to stay that way and not have the problems that come with growing. Which explains this: in the 1950 census, Louisville was the #25 metro area, Indy was #29, Nashville #60. And now of course we are way behind those cities. Some will point to problems like traffic and housing costs and say that's a good outcome (and I couldn't live in Nashville today I don't think), others will point to jobs leaving (or never coming) and stagnation generally and say you get what you ask for.....

Right, exactly. Sums it up pretty well. My perception is also that the vast majority of the time the concerns raised are not legitimate, which is why Im skeptical of even some of the points on your list.

A great example more recently in Louisville was the Top Golf saga, where the neighborhoods of Oxmoor Woods and Hustbourne waged war on Top Golf settling at Oxmoor Mall. Almost every argument they made has proven to be incorrect. The development drove higher investment in the area, increased desirability of those neighborhoods, light pollution was overstated and traffic remained largely the same. Ultimately, they ended up with about 5 new restaurants, a great amenity in a short drive or walking distance, rejuvenated Oxmoor Mall and it was a net positive for the area.

Another example was moving the Delta Hub to Louisville (although this hub has since closed in Cincy). People fought the expansion of an airport that would've verifiably and inarguably increased employment, company retention and drawn more companies due to logistics improvements.

There is another data center being planned in Southwest Louisville in addition to the one in Oldham. To me, we have to be ahead of the AI curve and computing revolution, or we are a victim of it.

 

[PopesReignOverCardinals]

Pretty key detail being left out here, which is that the new location means scaled back investment. Inexcusable.

We are talking about a project that is about 1.5% of Kentucky’s GDP. You could build 7 Yum! Centers with 6 billion dollars. Jobs lost for decades. Hostile corporate environment. Yet again we lose because of catering to people who can’t see the forest beyond the trees.

The flaw in your argument is that you are assuming that the $6 billion dollars is being entirely spent locally on materials and labor. If you are bringing in out of state materials and construction labor, then Kentucky isn't actually seeing the full benefit of that "investment."

 

[KAB Cats]

The flaw in your argument is that you are assuming that the $6 billion dollars is being entirely spent locally on materials and labor. If you are bringing in out of state materials and construction labor, then Kentucky isn't actually seeing the full benefit of that "investment."

That's fair, but then your argument undervalues the derivative value of the data center creating indirect jobs and attracting new businesses (a metric that is much harder to calculate), but such derivative growth is also a reasonable expectation in lieu of a more skilled workforce, synergies with the data center in SW Louisville, and other logistical overlap with shipping (UPS, Amazon).

With a continued trajectory, who is to say we can't lure an AWS data center or Microsoft data center? The economic impact of that would be massive.

And what about AI companies or high tech companies dependent on processing power relocating possibly leasing segments of the data center? The details of the data center in OC are a bit more murky concerning tenancy, but given the value of processing in AI, that would seem to be a legitimate possibility.

 

[PopesReignOverCardinals]

That's fair, but then your argument undervalues the derivative value of the data center creating indirect jobs and attracting new businesses (a metric that is much harder to calculate), but such derivative growth is also a reasonable expectation in lieu of a more skilled workforce, synergies with the data center in SW Louisville, and other logistical overlap with shipping (UPS, Amazon).

With a continued trajectory, who is to say we can't lure an AWS data center or Microsoft data center? The economic impact of that would be massive.

And what about AI companies or high tech companies dependent on processing power relocating possibly leasing segments of the data center? The details of the data center in OC are a bit more murky concerning tenancy, but given the value of processing in AI, that would seem to be a legitimate possibility.

No, I'm not. I'm not saying, "F this project entirely. Don't want it in Kentucky at all."

There are alternatives to the original proposal. You don't seem to be considering any possible alternatives regarding location at all.

 

[KAB Cats]

No, I'm not. I'm not saying, "F this project entirely. Don't want it in Kentucky at all."

There are alternatives to the original proposal. You don't seem to be considering any possible alternatives regarding location at all.

I mean, I don't have some hidden agenda. My view is that we want to maximize investment into Kentucky. The problem I have with the revised plan is that it inherently means scaled back investment. I don't really care where it is though so to speak.

I am inherently skeptical when a small part of the population dictates economic output in harm of the greater good. I don't think their concerns are necessarily even unfounded, but if it's good for the greater Kentucky and the area, it's bigger than a local conversation.

Arguments against it being against the greater good -- I think those have more merit (ie. environmental).

I didn't type my last post out of disagreement with you either per se, but honestly trying to assess the benefits of the project.

 

[PopesReignOverCardinals]

My view is that we want to maximize investment into Kentucky. The problem I have with the revised plan is that it inherently means scaled back investment.

Is there a source saying that the investment will be scaled back or are you making an assumption?

I need more information to understand exactly what "scaled back" means in this case. Like I mentioned before, the $6 billion figure is fake investment number if the materials and labor are not locally sourced. If the company spends $4 billion instead of $6 billion, but then hires the same number of people at the same average salaries, then the job impact is the same regardless of the upfront cost to build.

 

[KAB Cats]

Is there a source saying that the investment will be scaled back or are you making an assumption?

I need more information to understand exactly what "scaled back" means in this case. Like I mentioned before, the $6 billion figure is fake investment number if the materials and labor are not locally sourced. If the company spends $4 billion instead of $6 billion, but then hires the same number of people at the same average salaries, then the job impact is the same regardless of the upfront cost to build.

Obviously, if it's scaled back, it won't employ the same amount of people. You are correct that what is known is light on specifics, but the new site factually necessitates reduced investment in current proposal.

Group scraps Oldham County data center plan in favor of new site, smaller project

The Sauerbeck family drive-in theater property is the new proposed site of a data center planned for Oldham County

www.wdrb.com

 

[Hank Camacho]

OP thinks this thing is so awesome, we should be thrilled if they want to build it in the living room of the Governor's mansion, apparently.

We get it, you think anyone opposed is a dumb rube.

 

[KAB Cats]

OP thinks this thing is so awesome, we should be thrilled if they want to build it in the living room of the Governor's mansion, apparently.

We get it, you think anyone opposed is a dumb rube.

1. My guy @Hank Camacho begins his argument by telling me what I think about things
2. My guy @Hank Camacho, of all the locations in Kentucky, decided the Governor's Mansion living room is the most sanctimonious location (yes please put a data center in the Governor's livingroom)
3. My guy @Hank Camacho closes his straw-man riddled argument containing an abysmal analogy to a historic government property with a second strawman, indicating anyone opposed is a "dumb rube"
4. Finally, my guy @Hank Camacho makes this a personal back and forth game and never really makes an argument pro or against.

Given you have no interest in a sincere conversation, I shouldn't have even responded to that. But, Im a sucker for a good troll.

 

[JSgorocks]

Right, exactly. Sums it up pretty well. My perception is also that the vast majority of the time the concerns raised are not legitimate, which is why Im skeptical of even some of the points on your list.

A great example more recently in Louisville was the Top Golf saga, where the neighborhoods of Oxmoor Woods and Hustbourne waged war on Top Golf settling at Oxmoor Mall. Almost every argument they made has proven to be incorrect. The development drove higher investment in the area, increased desirability of those neighborhoods, light pollution was overstated and traffic remained largely the same. Ultimately, they ended up with about 5 new restaurants, a great amenity in a short drive or walking distance, rejuvenated Oxmoor Mall and it was a net positive for the area.

Another example was moving the Delta Hub to Louisville (although this hub has since closed in Cincy). People fought the expansion of an airport that would've verifiably and inarguably increased employment, company retention and drawn more companies due to logistics improvements.

There is another data center being planned in Southwest Louisville in addition to the one in Oldham. To me, we have to be ahead of the AI curve and computing revolution, or we are a victim of it.

A more recent example is the nuking of the tennis/pickleball center. Complete sham and idiotic.

 

[KAB Cats]

A more recent example is the nuking of the tennis/pickleball center. Complete sham and idiotic.

That's not the same though. Joe Creason Park itself is already a public amenity adding that adds to quality of life. Also, since it's funded by tax payers, ultimately they are direct stakeholders in what to do with the property. It's also peanuts on the scale of a data center.

 

[PopesReignOverCardinals]

AI Overview
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Western Hospitality Partners appears to be a new data center development company. They are currently proposing or building data center campuses in several locations, including Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and potentially other states. The company's headquarters and precise business model are not readily available in public information, but they are actively engaged in data center projects.
Here's a more detailed look:

• • Data Center Focus:
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  • Recent Projects:
    They are involved in proposed data center projects in areas like northeast Pennsylvania (1.6 million sq ft campus) and outside Louisville, Kentucky (8-building campus) according to Data Center Dynamics.
  • Limited Public Information:
    While they are actively developing projects, according to Data Center Dynamics, details about the company's ownership, management, or specific business strategy are not readily available online.
  • Shell Company Concerns:
    Some discussions online suggest that the company may be a shell company, potentially using a mailing address tied to a housewares company or a home address in New Jersey, according to a Reddit thread.
  • Confusion with other companies:
    There's also a Western Hospitality Group Inc which is a company focused on real estate and hospitality, and a West Hospitality Group which focuses on restaurant development and consulting. This can lead to confusion when searching for information about Western Hospitality Partners.

 

[PopesReignOverCardinals]

^Sounds like this company proposing the project isn't actually the tenant. It appears that they just build out the facility and then hope to sell it some other company. If nobody knows who the actual tenant will be, or if there even will be one, then how can you know how many actual jobs there will be?

What happens if they build half the facility and then declare bankruptcy? Something doesn't add up about this company. They don't seem to have any sort of reputation at all. That should be a major red flag. Who funds their projects?

 

[Someguywhodoesntlikeyou]

Investment in rural communities is good and should be encouraged.

But where do you draw the line between “growth” and “investment” and maintaining the fabric of these communities? Because I have witnessed firsthand the bad things about growth in rural communities and development.

My point I guess is if you start plunking down mixed use zoning into rural communities or rural areas of counties where you’re going to park Company A surrounded by residential it’s just not something anyone should be doing imho

 

[KAB Cats]

^Sounds like this company proposing the project isn't actually the tenant. It appears that they just build out the facility and then hope to sell it some other company. If nobody knows who the actual tenant will be, or if there even will be one, then how can you know how many actual jobs there will be?

What happens if they build half the facility and then declare bankruptcy? Something doesn't add up about this company. They don't seem to have any sort of reputation at all. That should be a major red flag. Who funds their projects?

I sat down to write what I found on that but accidentally refreshed and lost the post. I'm too lazy to type over.

I do agree the lack of transparency with that company naturally leads to questions / skepticism. It is by all indication a shell company trying to hide the actual stakeholders. The two logical reasons for that are: 1) To hide the investor business plan from competitors 2) To hide the identity of investors (perhaps foreign investment like Saudis).

I really don't know which or if that is even accurate. Since they are anonymous, it leaves room for anyone to insert their own conspiracy. Transparency would definitely help ease tension though.

To your other points, I don't see those things as much of a risk. This is a growth industry where demand is only going to increase. So, even if the initial company is out, the built infrastructure is ready for any other entity to come in. But, also, even if you took the worst case scenario and it's an outright collapse, the investment isn't coming from state funds. We don't really lose anything if it's unsuccessful. That's a good scenario to be in.

 

[JSgorocks]

That's not the same though. Joe Creason Park itself is already a public amenity adding that adds to quality of life. Also, since it's funded by tax payers, ultimately they are direct stakeholders in what to do with the property. It's also peanuts on the scale of a data center.

I never said it’s the same. I said it was a recent example (of residents attempting to nuke a project).

 

[Ron Mehico]

Data centers suck ass. Just disgusting giant warehouses that employ few people relative to scale while sucking resources. In 30 years those area will look like abandoned industrial wastelands.

 

[BankerCat12]

Louisville and Kentucky are stuck in the times and all the surrounding cities have taken off. I graduated HS in the late 90's and at that time, Louisville, Cincy, Indy and Nashville were all on the same playing field IMO. Now, all of those cities, especially Nashville and Indy) have taken off while Louisville is just stuck. Hell, Columbus OH is more attractive now that Louisville. The only buildings Louisville is building are hotels for conventions. That's it. There are no companies moving to Louisville that are expanding.

Top Golf was mentioned above and that was a cluster f*** held hostage by a few families. There is no reason that should have been stalled as Oxmoor Mall was on its last leg and who wants to live around there with a huge parking lot where all types of bad things happen.

East End bridge....State spent millions more than they should have by building the tunnel instead of going over all the land. Browns and Binghams were behind this.

Witherspoon next to Yum....2012 and maybe 2015 they shut the portion behind the bars and made it a beer garden that weekend that was really cool. They tried to get an Ordinance passed to do that maybe during the warmer months and was shot down. Imagine the cities above doing this.

I know there are a plethora of other instances but just a few off the top of my head in Louisville.

Back to Oldham Co though...this impacts me in no way but in the area they are talking about, it makes zero sense to move it to this area. This again should be along an interstate like the surrounding states do. Oldham Co is growing and will be expanding more in the coming years. You dont put this in a country area not along an interstate.