Well, Chris Fallica from College GameDay picks UK to win

[Rhavicc]

Lets be real here you can't compare players according to the numbers they put up in the first game. UK played Louisiana Lafayette South Carolina Played UNC. Those teams are not comparable in terms of talent. UNC has Gene Chizik as there D Coordinator. He seems to have South Carolina's number every time they play. Stats mean nothing unless you understand the circumstance they are in. Looking at the stat sheet I can say that Jalen Nixon was the best QB on the field between UK Vs UFL. He completed 100% of his passes. He has a 99.8 QBR rating not bad sounds like they have you guys beat at QB right. Nope. Lets play the game before you say who has the best RB/QB/WR. Good luck to both sides. This will be a fun game to watch.

I'm basing it on their careers, not one game. Connor Mitch, numbers-wise, is the hardest to read, but when you see him on the field, you really get an idea of how bad of a passer he actually is. I'm also very confident that Boom is the best RB in this game. It's hard to go against a RB that averages 7.39 ypc on his career (Boom), while Wilds averages 4.92 ypc on his career, and has as many 100 yard games as Brandon Wilds in nearly a 3rd of the carries.
That said, Brandon Wilds is a really good RB. I'm a fan.

 

[footballfanatic77]

LOL. You never know what's gonna happen in a football game, but I'm a little surprised more UK fans aren't more optimistic about this game. How many times has UK gone down to Columbia with the better QB, better group of WR's, and probably better RB's? And adding to those advantages, SC has a really young QB, less than mediocre defense, and a young/banged up group of wide receivers.

As long as the turnover difference doesn't become a negative for UK, I love their chances.

GBB!!!

Agree with a lot of this, but I don't know if I would say USC's defense is "less than mediocre" yet. I thought they looked much improved over last season, and definitely better than UK's defense. This should be a good matchup though and I like UK's chances. Assuming you are right and the USC defense has not progressed as much as I think, I would expect this to turn into an offensive battle where whoever scores the most points wins. Their offense doesn't look good at all right now.

 

[UKat1]

Kentucky has the better team this year. We'll see if its enough to get the win on the road.

And sir, how do you know we have the better team this year?? By watching us barely beat an mid-major and USCe barely beating a power 5 team? I think I'd reserve judgement on who has the better team until after the game......making that judgement after only one game this season is a bit premature in my humble opinion. The jury is truly out on that...at this moment, I pray you are correct and we do have the better team....the potential is there, but at this time is unproven

 

[GoBigBlue37]

Actually that team played very well, but one part malfunctioned. At a critical 2nd half juncture Little fumbled the ball three times-----on three consecutive touches, each on the first series of UK's possession, each on first down, and each a loss of possession. A real anomaly, at the time it was feared he had become fumble prone, but he had a great career in every respect except for that game and actually he still gained 135 yards in that game.

It seemed to be a continuation of several consecutive games where Brooks should have beat USC but they always pulled out the win.

Your thinking of the 2005 game, actually we turned it over 5 times in a row, the three u mentioned, Woodson threw a int and we went for it on fourth down which we didn't make. 2007 Little did drop a punt but it was Woodson who fumbled twice when sacked that were returned for TDs that killed us that night. I was there for both games, still shaking my head on those losses lol.

 

[hmt5000]

Vegas doesn't believe so.

Vegas puts it's lines out to achieve an even split among the gambling public. They don't pick a winner and don't care either way they get paid.

 

[RoosterBooster1]

Vegas puts it's lines out to achieve an even split among the gambling public. They don't pick a winner and don't care either way they get paid.

That is correct reference Vegas odds, they are setting a line to get even money bet on each side, that is their goal. What the spread is a reflection of is what bettors across the nation are doing with their money. Right now, Vegas has to give the Cats team a 7 point cushion to get even money. So, most bettors believe SC has the best chance to win, we will see.

 

[Rhavicc]

And sir, how do you know we have the better team this year?? By watching us barely beat an mid-major and USCe barely beating a power 5 team? I think I'd reserve judgement on who has the better team until after the game......making that judgement after only one game this season is a bit premature in my humble opinion. The jury is truly out on that...at this moment, I pray you are correct and we do have the better team....the potential is there, but at this time is unproven

I've gotten so disgusted with your posts. They scored 20 points on a North Carolina defense that was easily the worst in the power 5 conferences last season, and among the worst in the entire FBS.
How does that equate to South Carolina being world beaters? More importantly, do you plan on ever saying one positive thing on this forum?

 

[RoosterBooster1]

The one aspect of this game I see repeatedly mentioned on this site is that UK fans have a very low opinion of the SC D and of the SC QB. Maybe too low IMO. The SC D may actually be pretty good, I believe it is. Opening against a Power5 opponent on a neutral field, and a great Offensive unit at that, I'm not sure much more could have been expected of that unit. They held a 36 ppg offense to 13 points, again in the first game and on a neutral field. Registered 4 sacks and 3 picks. Not bad in hindsight. Now they get to play at home after a long week to prep. As for the QB position, Mitch is far from the trash this site makes him out to be, highly rated QB in his first start on the road.....sure, he looked less than great but got better as the game wore on and had a TD pass, 44 yards rushing and zero turnovers. He will grow. Maybe not nearly as bad as many on here believe. Maybe ends up being really good.

 

[UKat1]

I've gotten so disgusted with your posts. They scored 20 points on a North Carolina defense that was easily the worst in the power 5 conferences last season, and among the worst in the entire FBS.
How does that equate to South Carolina being world beaters? More importantly, do you plan on ever saying one positive thing on this forum?

You know, I really don't care if your disgusted....grow up and get over it. We are discussing Football.....not how to save the world, it's an 'OPEN' forum for people to discuss and give their 'OPINIONS' whether we agree or not. You can simply skip past my posts and read on to the next one, you have that privilege on this board to do just that. I'm a UK football fan and have been for many years, I also am a realist, by my saying that it is far to early to say whether we or USCe has the better team is truly premature. Neither team is overly impressive at this point and time, 5-6 games down the road I believe we'll have a much better feel for who has the better team.

Bottom line is this sir, I have my opinions and you have yours. I think we have the potential to have a good football team and in a year or so a very good team. I don't blindly accept that just because the talent level is better that that automatically make us better. That talent has to be coached/ developed (I believe this staff is doing that), but as Mizzou has proven, you can be a very competitive football team with mainly 3* talent that has been very well coached and developed for their offensive and defensive philosophies.

Lastly where in this thread did I say SC were 'world beaters'???? I didn't....I also did say that our team has the potential if you read my reply again. If I weren't positive I certainly wouldn't say the potential is there, I'd say we suck and there is no chance for improvement. You need to quit getting your panties in a wad/ feelings hurt because someone may not agree with you.....on the flip side you never want to discuss or see the weaknesses that may or may not be present on our team, always being positive. You know, it never hurts to see the reality in some things and not always just see rainbows and unicorns. I pray you have a great day and that we're able to come on here tomorrow night after the game celebrating a win.

 

[uofkFTW18]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if UK won. I'm not necessarily predicting it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

UK's WRs undoubtedly have the advantage over SCAR's DBs, even more so with Chris Lammons(starting CB) likely out. Johnson, Baker, Bone, Badet, etc. should have big games against their secondary. If Towles plays like he did in the first half against ULL then UK's offense will put up points on SCAR's defense.

On top of that, I'm still not convinced SCAR's run defense is all that good. UNC ran the ball well against them last week, and I wouldn't be surprised if UK did this week as well. Boom and Horton have proven to be very, very capable at RB, and nobody other than Skai Moore(who is an elite LB) scares me much on SCAR's D.

Where things start to get sketchy is our defense. I actually like our secondary(first time I've said that in years), but our front 7 is highly questionable, even more so with Flannigan likely out Saturday night. Outside of Forrest and Lewis, our front 7 is either incredibly young or not very skilled. Jordan Jones/Denzel Ware/Nico Firios all had moments where their youth exposed them, and that worries me a ton against Spurrier who does a fantastic job at creating mismatches with an opponent's LBs.

Also, Jabari Johnson is not an every down LB; he's solid against the run, but he lacks the athleticism necessary to rush the passer effectively. Huguenin at DE is also in the same boat as Johnson; decent against the run, not so good against the pass. Cory Johnson is easily our best interior pass rusher, so hopefully his return helps us put pressure on the QB during passing downs(IF we're able to get SCAR in passing downs to begin with; have to contain their running game and Wildcat on first/second down).

Overall, I expect a high scoring game unless either defense improves greatly.

 

[TheKentuckyKid]

Vegas doesn't believe so.

I don't care what Vegas says, Vegas isn't perfect.

 

[Rhavicc]

You know, I really don't care if your disgusted....grow up and get over it. We are discussing Football.....not how to save the world, it's an 'OPEN' forum for people to discuss and give their 'OPINIONS' whether we agree or not. You can simply skip past my posts and read on to the next one, you have that privilege on this board to do just that. I'm a UK football fan and have been for many years, I also am a realist, by my saying that it is far to early to say whether we or USCe has the better team is truly premature. Neither team is overly impressive at this point and time, 5-6 games down the road I believe we'll have a much better feel for who has the better team.

Bottom line is this sir, I have my opinions and you have yours. I think we have the potential to have a good football team and in a year or so a very good team. I don't blindly accept that just because the talent level is better that that automatically make us better. That talent has to be coached/ developed (I believe this staff is doing that), but as Mizzou has proven, you can be a very competitive football team with mainly 3* talent that has been very well coached and developed for their offensive and defensive philosophies.

Lastly where in this thread did I say SC were 'world beaters'???? I didn't....I also did say that our team has the potential if you read my reply again. If I weren't positive I certainly wouldn't say the potential is there, I'd say we suck and there is no chance for improvement. You need to quit getting your panties in a wad/ feelings hurt because someone may not agree with you.....on the flip side you never want to discuss or see the weaknesses that may or may not be present on our team, always being positive. You know, it never hurts to see the reality in some things and not always just see rainbows and unicorns. I pray you have a great day and that we're able to come on here tomorrow night after the game celebrating a win.

A realist? Pffffft. You've yet to base any of your whiny posts on anything of significance. In one other thread, you were saying something to the effect of "we make all average QB's look like Heisman contenders", up until I named off several instances where we played better pass defense than most teams did last year.
You say you have "nightmares of Pharoh Cooper running the wildcat", but you fail to realize that teams can focus on the run a lot more when a QB (like Connor Mitch) can hardly throw the football to save his life.
I expect their offense to be like Louisville's with Bonnafon, that we seen at the end of last year. That's all that South Carolina has shown to be capable of offensively. Speaking of their offense, weren't you the one that predicted them to score like 57 on UK on Saturday, and predicted UK to only score 24 or something? I'm pretty sure you're that guy. If you are, I beg you to show me anything that makes you think that South Carolina is capable of scoring that many points on offense. They didn't even score half as many against a defense that was far and away worse than Kentucky's last season, so I want to see the reasoning to why somebody would believe that South Carolina could put up those points against UK.

 

[GoBigBlue37]

A realist? Pffffft. You've yet to base any of your whiny posts on anything of significance. In one other thread, you were saying something to the effect of "we make all average QB's look like Heisman contenders", up until I named off several instances where we played better pass defense than most teams did last year.
You say you have "nightmares of Pharoh Cooper running the wildcat", but you fail to realize that teams can focus on the run a lot more when a QB (like Connor Mitch) can hardly throw the football to save his life.
I expect their offense to be like Louisville's with Bonnafon, that we seen at the end of last year. That's all that South Carolina has shown to be capable of offensively. Speaking of their offense, weren't you the one that predicted them to score like 57 on UK on Saturday, and predicted UK to only score 24 or something? I'm pretty sure you're that guy. If you are, I beg you to show me anything that makes you think that South Carolina is capable of scoring that many points on offense. They didn't even score half as many against a defense that was far and away worse than Kentucky's last season, so I want to see the reasoning to why somebody would believe that South Carolina could put up those points against UK.

Sorry have some what agree with UKat, over the years we have made so many Qbs look like Heisman winners. You keep bring up Bonnafon from last year but then neglect to state what happened when the Lexington RS freshman replaced him who hadn't played a down, he went off on us, sure he made a couple mistakes but we couldn't stop Loserville after that!

 

[RoosterBooster1]

Believe me, I was amazed too. Now it's to the point that it's really an irritation. Kentucky could win this game for sure if they played like they did in the first half of last game (which I think is closer to the real UK than what we seen in the 2nd half).
The reality is that this USC team has an offensive line that lacks experience, and imposing size, a QB that completes below 50% of his passes for his career, a bunch of wide receivers that have a hard time catching the ball (albeit, they're good blockers), and they have one real playmaker in Pharoh Cooper.
Their defense hasn't shown me anything to believe that they've changed.




Right, had Cooper wide open and threw it behind him 5 yards and into the dirt. One of those that hit the receivers in the hands, the receiver had to turn back and slide to even have a chance to get it. Reality is, they did not catch it, he does not average over 50% completion percentage on his career, and he has a lot of work to do, because so far, he is visibly a bad passer.

I'm not sorry that you don't like what I have to say, but to this point, you haven't proven that anything that I have said has been even slightly off base. I never said that UK was a juggernaut, I just believe they're better than USC this year, because UK is not the same team that is has been for the past 15 years, and USC is not the same team that it was as recently as 2, 3 years ago.

I'm also going to need some convincing that Boom Williams isn't going to be the best RB between Kentucky and South Carolina. Heck, several South Carolina fans came here trying to say that Elijah Hood was better, despite not matching Boom in any single statistical category. That said, I'm a big fan of Brandon Wilds, I think he's very good, I just don't think he's going to be the best RB there.

"The quarterback wasn't pretty. He looked a little out of it at times and not overly accurate with his throws. He had receivers drop a few and he also made a few decent throws, but, overall, we were hoping for a lot more production from the quarterback position. However, he didn't make a mistake that cost us the victory, and I think he will continue to get better as he plays more."

This sounds like a fair assessment of Connor Mitch, right? Well, it's not. It's actually what a local television personality said about Peyton Manning's first start versus Washington State in 1994. Manning went 7 of 14 for 79 yards and zero touchdowns.

 

[UKat1]

A realist? Pffffft. You've yet to base any of your whiny posts on anything of significance. In one other thread, you were saying something to the effect of "we make all average QB's look like Heisman contenders", up until I named off several instances where we played better pass defense than most teams did last year.
You say you have "nightmares of Pharoh Cooper running the wildcat", but you fail to realize that teams can focus on the run a lot more when a QB (like Connor Mitch) can hardly throw the football to save his life.
I expect their offense to be like Louisville's with Bonnafon, that we seen at the end of last year. That's all that South Carolina has shown to be capable of offensively. Speaking of their offense, weren't you the one that predicted them to score like 57 on UK on Saturday, and predicted UK to only score 24 or something? I'm pretty sure you're that guy. If you are, I beg you to show me anything that makes you think that South Carolina is capable of scoring that many points on offense. They didn't even score half as many against a defense that was far and away worse than Kentucky's last season, so I want to see the reasoning to why somebody would believe that South Carolina could put up those points against UK.

Uh, no I have not predicted any score or scoring margin......you may want to do a bit of post research before you go accusing someone of something..........if you might also notice, I've not make any smart remarks up till my last post about you or any of your posts....I have no problem with your posts as they are your OPINION and you're entitled to them, doesn't mean I have to agree and I sure don't mind debating them or mine, but I'd suggest you make sure of who made what comment before accusing anyone of such. So sir, you'd be totally wrong in accusing me of predicting a score.....and if your any kind of a gentleman, you'd take that back after perusing, in fact I think in this thread it was NCukat, not me....so no need for me to show you anything....your beef is with the the person that made that comment.

I for one don't believe SC will or could put up 50 pts, they could however put up 20-30 possibly...just as we could. I've said all along it will come down to who has the better overall defense and who can stop the run and in my opinion, SC may have the better D, but I don't know that for a fact. Like I said in a previous reply, we shall see tomorrow night and have a better handle on where this team is compared to last year. Are we better equipped on offense as far as weapons are concerned? I believe that we are, is the OL better? The jury is still out on that.....we will see in SEC play, I gauge our team's progress based on conference play more than anything, and that's a pretty darn good bar to measure our team against. Here are positives for you, I believe as I said in another thread, that we are vastly more talented across the board than in the past few years, but we've yet to translate that to a winning record on the field yet. That could happen this season....we will see and can be hopeful.

You need to lighten up, appreciate that everyone has an opinion whether right or wrong, enjoy debating them and leave it at that. If you get this bent out of shape over comments on this board, then I truly feel sorry for you as there are FAR more important things in this life aside from sports......like the economic condition of our nation and more importantly one's relationship with our Creator or lack thereof. I rarely ever post on this board for exactly this reason....the folks like you that run others off or resort to name calling because you don't agree with them. I happen to have the day off today and it's the main reason I even have time at this moment to post.

I challenge you to come and check out another message board for all SEC fans called SECtalk.com, I'm one of the moderators....it might do you some good to get to know several good fans from all of the other SEC schools that are members of that site and post and have good banter.

 

[CatDaddy4daWin]

"The quarterback wasn't pretty. He looked a little out of it at times and not overly accurate with his throws. He had receivers drop a few and he also made a few decent throws, but, overall, we were hoping for a lot more production from the quarterback position. However, he didn't make a mistake that cost us the victory, and I think he will continue to get better as he plays more."

This sounds like a fair assessment of Connor Mitch, right? Well, it's not. It's actually what a local television personality said about Peyton Manning's first start versus Washington State in 1994. Manning went 7 of 14 for 79 yards and zero touchdowns.

So he's the next Peyton Manning?

 

[Rhavicc]

"Derp derp derp Connor Mitch, derp derp derp derp Peyton Manning derp.

This is an accurate representation of what I saw when I seen you drawing any form of comparison between Connor Mitch and Peyton Manning.

Exhibit A: A Peyton Manning'esque throw into double-coverage. Sure, it was 7 yards ahead of the wide receiver, but that spiral...

Exhibit B: Yeah, hit the tight end in the numbers. Next time, Mitch should try hitting the TE in the numbers while the TE isn't on his back, and having to stop mid-route to come back for it.

Exhibit C: (immediately after nearly throwing a pick 6) "C'mon Pharoh, make a play on the ball, it was only 5 yards behind you!"

Yes, Peyton Manning is the first QB that comes to mind when this kid throws the ball, right....

 

[UKat1]

Here you go Rhavicc.....here is the guy that made the 50+point prediction.....apology accepted.




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I'm clearly on a different page. One which has us winning next week. Not this one though.

USC 52
UK 27
You seen something that suggests South Carolina is capable of scoring 52? Please show me, I haven't seen it yet.


Grumpyolddawg said: ↑
You do realize NT is probably the weakest position on UK's defense don't you? Both of those guys are overweight and slow, Elam pops straight up on the snap. If the play isn't right over an A gap there is no reason to double either. I can promise you neither strike fear in OC's around the conference who have to be schemed for. The DE's are much better, a little inexperienced and over aggressive which made the read option so effective against them.
I guess everybody has an opinion, staff sees them a lot more than either of us, and they feel like Melvin Lewis is one of the better players on the defense. Also not sure what standard of "overweight" you're using. Technically, yes. Most linemen at every level are overweight technically. For a nose tackle though, 330 is not at all uncommon.
There also is a logical reason behind them standing up. In a 2 gap technique, you make contact with an o-lineman, make a read, and wait for the play to come to you or pick a gap and hit it. In a 1 gap technique, you would shoot off the LOS directly at a gap (the play determines the gap you go for).

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[Anna Mule]

Oh, this is cute. Your 3rd and 4th posts are the same exact thing. This game isn't decided by Vegas.

Do my 3rd and 4th posts upset you?

 

[Anna Mule]

That is correct reference Vegas odds, they are setting a line to get even money bet on each side, that is their goal. What the spread is a reflection of is what bettors across the nation are doing with their money. Right now, Vegas has to give the Cats team a 7 point cushion to get even money. So, most bettors believe SC has the best chance to win, we will see.

I didn't think I had to explain that to them, Rooster.

 

[Anna Mule]

I don't care what Vegas says, Vegas isn't perfect.

Well, they aren't building all of those hotels/casinos with their own money.

 

[TheKentuckyKid]

Well, they aren't building all of those hotels/casinos with their own money.

What did Vegas say about the UL/UH game?

 

[BlueEmpire]

This weekend in South Carolina. Figured I would share that. Apparently he doesn't think UK will lose by 50 points to a South Carolina team than can only score 20, like some here believe.

For real, I mean its not like they hung half-a-hundred on UNC.

 

[Anna Mule]

What did Vegas say about the UL/UH game?

Don't know.