To make it worse, now it is not even the gather step if the ball is still spinning in your hand. So you can take a couple steps with the ball spinning, another as you gather, and then 2-3 more. It's crazy to me.
Was this a travel?
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I would not consider that a deflection. Flagg intercepted the ball cleanly, meaning, he really never lost control of it. Double dribble in my opinion.
We see passes all the time that are fumbled or mishandled by the offensive player, then they possess the ball with two hands, then they start dribbling again. Refs are refusing to call this a DD anymore and it pisses me off. You are rewarding the offense there and penalizing the defense when the offense mishandled the ball.
We see passes all the time that are fumbled or mishandled by the offensive player, then they possess the ball with two hands, then they start dribbling again. Refs are refusing to call this a DD anymore and it pisses me off. You are rewarding the offense there and penalizing the defense when the offense mishandled the ball.
For sure by rule it is becaue after you pick the ball up you get the step that your taking as you're picking it up and another one to plant from after that. If you put the foot back down where you picked the ball up a second time then its traveling. This guy took about three of them.
What has made that harder to tell in todays game is the way guys extend the process of "picking up the ball" Most can get two full steps on the "Pickup" by taking a big dribble and letting the ball hover in one hand or cupping it, making it hard for the official to tell when it was actually secured or picked up and thats why they let so much go anymore as far as steps is concerned IMO. And these athletes today can cover a lot of ground in two big strides.
Thank you, it was making me dizzy reading these recliner refs explanation of why it was not a travel.
No worries. I thought I had replied to the wrong poster for a minute.
Flagg deflects the ball which hits the ground , then he grabs it with both hands as loose ball, after he legally dribbles , correctly gathers takes the steps and dunks it. No issue there.
On State similar, you don’t count the steps while the player is dribbling. You start the count of the two steps for the layup after the dribble stop( he grabs the ball with 2 hands). From the video is hard to see if he takes on the layup the legal 2 steps or 3 steps( which will be travel) . If you cannot see from the video clearly, imagine in real game situation as the referee is also running is even harder to see. Referee are humans and do mistake. Who doesn’t?
Yes. I slowed it down and counted 4 steps. Geez!!!
Not really...this time it is following the rule to the letter. You cannot dribble the ball without possessing it. Therefore, if a player is fumbling the ball, he doesn't really have possession.
Using your same standard, wouldn't it be a travel anytime a player is going for a rebound and tips it, and after landing, has to jump/move positions to gather possession of the ball? That scenario happens all the time, and although you cannot pass to yourself, but it isn't a travel b/c the player must gain possession for that to be a travel.
Yep, I guess the ref's can't count. But then again they could call carrying the ball all night long on every team.
I wouldn’t call that a travel, no. Never has been called that way. However, it used to be that if you used your hand to “control” the ball by bouncing it once and catching it, you couldn’t dribble again. Like if you threw me a pass, I didn’t catch it cleanly, ball hits the floor and then I reached out with my hand and dribbled it once to gain control…I’ve used up my dribble. At least, that’s the way they used to call it
edit: the nail beat me to it. They are nerds. And they would likely embrace being called nerds. Don't be so sensitive.
I feel like I see more travels called on head fakes when the player doesn’t take any steps than situations like this when they take 4.
I thought he was calling me a nerd for calling out the travel. Simple mistake that I apologized for. He was cool about it. Not sure why your even mentioning it. But you do you hero.
To clarify, the way I was taught when I was officiating KY middle and high school games in the late 90s was there is some discretion.
If a player fumbles or taps the ball to then gain possession, it is not a dribble. In some cases (as you describe), if the player exhibits clear control with a single handed catch and dribble motion, then that is a dribble. So, if the player in that scenario stops dribbling and restarts, it is a double dribble.
In that clip, I would've given Flagg the benefit of the doubt and called that a deflection and no dribble. I really hate it b/c I would rather it be that any Duke player is screwing up.
Regardless, it is fun to actually chat/engage about calls, etc., so I appreciate the fact that we could do so without so much of the nastiness that is often on this board...so, kudos to you.
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