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If you honestly think Cal made a decision about a $80 million offer without having a pretty damn good idea about who would/would not be on the roster, then you're in the same boat as Tubby.
It wasn't official, but Cal knew there was a great chance that LeBron would be back at Cleveland. He knows too many people and is connected in the same circle as Lebron. That's not a decision you make without knowing everything there is to know.
Bottom line is, Cleveland, nor any other NBA job, offers Cal the fuel that drives him at this point in his career, which is getting his kids drafted and helping change the financial landscape of the families along the way.
Now, will that be what continues to drive him until he's done with coaching? Only Cal and his family will know that down the road, but it's what drives him in 2015 and has since the night 6 of his guys went pro in 2010.
Not Rick Pitino, which was Tubby's original absurd point. Now Tubby is trying to veer off topic and claim that those who disagree that Cal won't ever turn pro or doesn't try to beat his collegiate competition out of ego, which was not his original point, are inferior to him intellectually, but the bottom line is, Rick Pitino leaving Louisville would not spell the end of Cal's collegiate career at Kentucky.
I'm basing what I said on what was said on here and on talk radio. Which, come to think about it, is probably not a fair consensus by any means.
I always maintain the message board platform is especially bad at context. Words on paper or a screen are taken so literal, and it effects the direction of the conversation.
For example, you might not actually mean "Cal moves as Pitino moves" but if you read what you wrote, it reads that way. I can look past it and just take it as an observation of yours and actually try at understanding your overall point (which I basically took as Cal enjoys the CAL/PITINO "situation". < I think. Ive had knock-down drag outs on this board over things UK fans in person actually agree with. I try to remember that.
I don't actually believe you think Cal "happens" as coach Pee does. But others will use whatever they can against you, and if the words are there, that's what they will pound. No one gives the benifit of the doubt around here, and (almost) no one tries to understand context.
I believe that If LeBron was in Cleveland at the time Cal was offerd he would be gozo! Just my opinion. I know he is connected, but not even Cal new if LeBron was going home. Too big of a gamble too give up Kentucky for a Lebronless Cleveland. I'm sorry but Winning NBA Championship's is greater than NCAA Championships. Im a hudge Cat fan, REALITY is what it is. I'm not knocking your opinion, I happen to believe Cal loves helping these young men, but the players that go in the 1st round were already projected to go there. Now that's not to say Cal put them in position to showcase there tallent. He doesn't run a system he adapts to his tallent. A Lot of coaches hurt there players draft stock by running such "systems".
This is where you went off the rails, and from this point it predictably wouldn't go well. You fell victim to one of the classic internet blunders. Never fight a land war in Asia is of course the most famous. But next is "false bravado trying to save face in the aftermath of an error filled post". The way you take the starch right out of this situation is to post, right here, in your follow up, "sorry about that guys, had some things wrong in my head and it led to a bad post." Resist at all cost the urge to Defend The Larger Point, and for Heavens sake do not go on the offensive. ..
Why would someone believe Cal wasn't heavily informed about the potential of Lebron returning? Hell, cal and Lebron aren't too many phone calls away from each other anyway.
I think Cal isn't going to move his family around and at this point the college game is quicker, has way less traveling, and his rosters are put together far easier than others. The one reason some college coaches love the NBA is the hate of recruiting. We all know Cal isn't discontinuing his UK career due to a hate of recruiting
I did not mean that Cal is a puppet and Pitino is the puppet master. I meant that Cal spent much of his career trying to escape his rival's shadow and prove himself as an equal. Thank you for understanding.
Not sure if there was a majority, mainly the same whiners who post the same things in every thread after a loss.
Why did you quote my post twice?
Anyway, I'm not really a grammar nazi. The way you spelled doubt was just funny to me. It's hard to mangle words that much. Unless English isn't your first language. If that's the case, I apologize. Sort of.
My point was that I don't agree with you. Phrases like "no doubt" and "done deal" typically signal a flimsy argument.
No doubt
And I think your post was clear. The use of doubt was pretty funny indeed. That's summ back brakin thair.
The majority of the ignorant which tend to be the most vocal especially on UK sport's talk radio. I think most of those shows screen to allow those folks on the air. The ones on this board that I saw attacking Cal have other issues with him. They got a boost with that season.
1. The home schedule with a lack of premier games
2. The One and done
Every team has a down year that is just the way it is and some just can't except it. The championship and the final fours speak volumes and most of the attackers stay silent until Cal there is a word in a Cal interview they don't like.
Boy it sure seemed that way. A lot of people rallied around Cal when Forde attacked him, but as Forde said he had a lot of support from UK fans when he wrote it.
There was a segment of the fan base that felt if Cal was going to preach draft night, change the whole system, and not be able to maintain excellence with it, then something needed to change. What happened was cal went to back to back final fours, silencing any doubt that his way is the right way.
But I don't think he was ever in any sort of immediate danger unless he went to, say, back to back NIT's.
But I don't think he was ever in any sort of immediate danger unless he went to, say, back to back NIT's.
It didn't seem that way at all.
Climb up out of the hole you dug. Fill it in. And walk away.
Unless, of course, your whole mission here is to cause trouble.
+1. This is some of the dumbest stuff I have ever read on this board. One thing to make a post with a ton of mistakes and another to keep posting and making it worse. Sheesh.
Did it take you 6 hours to come up with that or did you google it?
Really, you are making a fool of yourself.
You said something stupid. When called on it, you said more stupid stuff. And then some more.
Just stop. Stop talking. I don't want to insult you. I just want you to quit acting like an idiot.
Can you please back away from the keyboard for the good of everyone?
When your words are all childish insults, what do you expect? Am I supposed to just let you get in one last juvenile shot?
What is your deal? What are you trying to accomplish here?
I had to snicker when I read this thread. IF Calipari has a chip on his shoulder, it's the same chip every coach since Hall has carried. This is Kentucky. We had this coach named Rupp. . .
No coach has emerged from that shadow.
Also, any coach that has enjoyed any success will tell you that their favorite part of the job is the kids they work with. The reward is watching their players develop to be the best they can. If you have a problem with that, then I'd suggest you've lost touch with what athletics is about.
No coach has emerged from that shadow.
Also, any coach that has enjoyed any success will tell you that their favorite part of the job is the kids they work with. The reward is watching their players develop to be the best they can. If you have a problem with that, then I'd suggest you've lost touch with what athletics is about.
Tubby's Tabbys. First off you didn't mean the Knicks job in the initial post you meant the Celtics job. Rick and Cal had nothing in common other than being Italian basketball coaches. It's not like Rick was his mentor and he the protege or something. Rick is a Boheim guy, Cal is a Larry Brown guy, and honestly learning from those 2 you can see you can see that effect, with Cal tiptoeing the edge of the rules all the time and Pitino being scum of the earth on the personal and ethical levls as well as circumventing rules when he could . As you mentioned in regards to Lou Carnessca and others mentioned regards to other things i.e. saying he got Cal UMass job and paid for it out of his own pocket(Completely False) it would seem as though Rick from day 1 was intimidated by what he saw as a possible younger, slicker, better, version of himself so he tried to stomp it out at every turn.
I loved Rick and his teams in the 90's and I love Cal and his teams now but what Cal did at UMass is the most impressive thing either of them has ever done coaching wise and Rick knows that and probably despised it. That UMass team beat arguably the best UK team in history once in 96 and would of gotten there twice if they didn't run into foul trouble against us. 10 pros vs. Marcus Camby and a bunch of nobody bums, think about that.
So don't say that people don't understand what you meant or you meant it this way or that way. I read your post and read your follow up posts. I know what you meant and I just totally disagree with your premise and theory 100%. Do I think Rick and Cal hate each other? Of course they do, do they want to beat each others brains out and make life a living hell for the other? Of course. Did Cal want to take the UK job and show Rick, K, Roy, Boheim, and any other person that tried to hold him down over the years what he could at a big boy job? You bet your sweet ass he did. I just don't think that is his main influence, just don't buy it. His family, money, his players, his player's families, personal pride, and then you could get me believe personal vengeance comes in after those things. Notice I didn't list love of UK or love of BBN. I'm not naive enough to believe that he loves the state, school, or it's people anymore than he would of if he got the KU, UNC, Duke, IU, Zona, UCLA, jobs cause he could of done the same thing he's doing here at any of those places and maybe a few others, I mean for God's sake he was doing it Memphis.
I loved Rick and his teams in the 90's and I love Cal and his teams now but what Cal did at UMass is the most impressive thing either of them has ever done coaching wise and Rick knows that and probably despised it. That UMass team beat arguably the best UK team in history once in 96 and would of gotten there twice if they didn't run into foul trouble against us. 10 pros vs. Marcus Camby and a bunch of nobody bums, think about that.
So don't say that people don't understand what you meant or you meant it this way or that way. I read your post and read your follow up posts. I know what you meant and I just totally disagree with your premise and theory 100%. Do I think Rick and Cal hate each other? Of course they do, do they want to beat each others brains out and make life a living hell for the other? Of course. Did Cal want to take the UK job and show Rick, K, Roy, Boheim, and any other person that tried to hold him down over the years what he could at a big boy job? You bet your sweet ass he did. I just don't think that is his main influence, just don't buy it. His family, money, his players, his player's families, personal pride, and then you could get me believe personal vengeance comes in after those things. Notice I didn't list love of UK or love of BBN. I'm not naive enough to believe that he loves the state, school, or it's people anymore than he would of if he got the KU, UNC, Duke, IU, Zona, UCLA, jobs cause he could of done the same thing he's doing here at any of those places and maybe a few others, I mean for God's sake he was doing it Memphis.
If you think that was the beginning of their feud your nuts . Pitino has always taken credit as to having a hand in Caliparis hiring at Umass but people involved say Pitino was backing someone else .
