Vince Marrow plea to fans

[BLUEDOUG46]

I understand why Vince would want the fans to not give up on the team. These are young Men , and I will always root for these guys, and root for my team. However, it is evident to just about anyone who watches a lot of football that this team is poorly coached. I have done alot of basketball coaching and refereeing, and everyone has a time period where they are relevant. Everyone has an expirations date to when they just need to give it up. I certainly was not at the High D1 level, but in coaching and refereeing I knew when it was time to give it up. The time when I had been passed by with new terminology and a new style of play etc. I believe that time has come with Stoops , the difference is he makes 9 mil a year and there is a whole lot more on the line and a whole lot more ego.

Vince is going to stick up for his buddy, and I respect that. Vince has seemingly done his job. We look like an SEC football team in size and speed. Where we dont is in scheme and positioning. Stoops blamed it on "we are just banged up". Well so is everyone else, and they look a hellava lot better than we do. I dont like when our fans use terms like "Stoopid" for Stoops or Cow for Cal. I think that is just immature and ridiculous. The truth is Coach Stoops has forgotten more football than 90% of the fans will ever know and I include myself in that. I have really appreciated him, I think he brought stability in continuance with what Coach Brooks started. I have enjoyed hearing his shows, and he seems to be a good guy you'd like to set down with and talk to. I can only control what I can control. I make a pretty darn good living, but im not spending $300 plus dollars anymore to go to games and watch this gosh awful product that he is putting on the field. No one should be asked in this economy we have seen the past few years to do that. to watch a piss poor Auburn team just steam roll us and to watch half the guys lay down during the game ,this is on the coaching staff.

so Vince good on your for sticking up for your buddy I applaud that but you guys have let us down. Its time to understand that maybe you dont have what it takes to win at this level anymore. It doesn't mean you're bad folks, just means maybe the game has passed you by. Work a deal, leave at the end of the year, and let us bring Sumrall in before he gets snatched up by someone else ( and I fear he will)

 

[Rockfly78]

Anytime coaches try to steady the waters and rally the fans or players people get pissy over it. What is he supposed to say? "Sorry, we all suck. Either fire us or kill us"
You wonder why coaches resort to coach speak so often? It's because their audience laps it up.

 

[College#19]

Marrow can suck it. He proving to be someone that misses more than he hits.

 

[Deeeefense]

I understand why Vince would want the fans to not give up on the team. These are young Men , and I will always root for these guys, and root for my team. However, it is evident to just about anyone who watches a lot of football that this team is poorly coached. I have done alot of basketball coaching and refereeing, and everyone has a time period where they are relevant. Everyone has an expirations date to when they just need to give it up. I certainly was not at the High D1 level, but in coaching and refereeing I knew when it was time to give it up. The time when I had been passed by with new terminology and a new style of play etc. I believe that time has come with Stoops , the difference is he makes 9 mil a year and there is a whole lot more on the line and a whole lot more ego.

Vince is going to stick up for his buddy, and I respect that. Vince has seemingly done his job. We look like an SEC football team in size and speed. Where we dont is in scheme and positioning. Stoops blamed it on "we are just banged up". Well so is everyone else, and they look a hellava lot better than we do. I dont like when our fans use terms like "Stoopid" for Stoops or Cow for Cal. I think that is just immature and ridiculous. The truth is Coach Stoops has forgotten more football than 90% of the fans will ever know and I include myself in that. I have really appreciated him, I think he brought stability in continuance with what Coach Brooks started. I have enjoyed hearing his shows, and he seems to be a good guy you'd like to set down with and talk to. I can only control what I can control. I make a pretty darn good living, but im not spending $300 plus dollars anymore to go to games and watch this gosh awful product that he is putting on the field. No one should be asked in this economy we have seen the past few years to do that. to watch a piss poor Auburn team just steam roll us and to watch half the guys lay down during the game ,this is on the coaching staff.

so Vince good on your for sticking up for your buddy I applaud that but you guys have let us down. Its time to understand that maybe you dont have what it takes to win at this level anymore. It doesn't mean you're bad folks, just means maybe the game has passed you by. Work a deal, leave at the end of the year, and let us bring Sumrall in before he gets snatched up by someone else ( and I fear he will)

My hunch is this opinion is largely shared by a good bit of the fan base. Sadly season ticket holders will have gone the entire season without seeing one SEC win. The talent on this roster is there and was evident in games against Ole Miss and UGA but the other SEC games have been for the large part unmitigated disasters, that reflects squarely on the coaching, not on the players.

The ship must be righted somehow.

 

[FirewithFire]

Can't blame the guy. He knows he has a good thing going and doesn't want to see it end. Hell, the guy makes as much as some D1 coaches per year. It's almost laughable really. He is the TEs coach and we don't even use TEs.

Whoever takes the program over would probably keep him employed considering that he is thought of as one of the top ten recruiters in the nation. Might take a bit of a pay hit but if he likes it here so much then it might be worth it to him.

If not then he can join Stoops in kicking rocks. Time for a change.

 

[Pelosigalore]

Marrow can suck it. He proving to be someone that misses more than he hits.

I tend to agree. I like Vince and I think he’s the best recruiter UK has ever had, but that’s a low bar. He’s not the only guy on staff that recruits, but he is the recruiting coordinator and he has struck out a lot on a ton of dudes. Especially on offense. The OL is awful and are we ever gonna develop a QB that is recruited out of high school., doubtful. And don’t get me started on the TE position. They can’t block or catch consistently.

 

[catlogic15]

Marrow will get a 3 star that Ohio St, Michigan, and Penn St didn’t want and consider it a recruiting coup.

 

[Rockfly78]

Marrow can suck it. He proving to be someone that misses more than he hits.

I wish there was a dislike button. Anyone who’s been worth a crap for us in the last decade or so was brought here by Vince. Including a 5 start basketball player. I think you’re just complaining to complain

 

[Edgarman]

Can't blame the guy. He knows he has a good thing going and doesn't want to see it end. Hell, the guy makes as much as some D1 coaches per year. It's almost laughable really. He is the TEs coach and we don't even use TEs.

Whoever takes the program over would probably keep him employed considering that he is thought of as one of the top ten recruiters in the nation. Might take a bit of a pay hit but if he likes it here so much then it might be worth it to him.

If not then he can join Stoops in kicking rocks. Time for a change.

New coaches usually do not want any connection to previous staff on his staff. That is just how it is. We need 100% clean break from the current staff.

 

[Deeeefense]

Marrow is one of the top 5 recruiting coordinators in the country. It's up to a hypothetical new head coach as to who, if anyone to keep, and it's true most coaches want to bring in their own team. Still a guy like Marrow would be a guy that any new coach should seriously think about retaining if at all possible. Of course if Stoops is forced out you can forget about keeping Vince. Those two are joined at the hip.

 

[College#19]

I wish there was a dislike button. Anyone who’s been worth a crap for us in the last decade or so was brought here by Vince. Including a 5 start basketball player. I think you’re just complaining to complain

Time for him to go. He is overpaid and is not a good position coach. There are plenty of guys that can recruit. Never ever be in fear of losing someone and I think UK and Stoops have given him one too many raises.

 

[Rockfly78]

Time for him to go. He is overpaid and is not a good position coach. There are plenty of guys that can recruit. Never ever be in fear of losing someone and I think UK and Stoops have given him one too many raises.

This is stupid.

First off, who gives a shit about the tight ends? The tight ends are not hurting us. We don’t even notice them and bush certainly isn’t throwing to them. He is an elite recruiter, the best we’ve ever had. Kentucky pays him a lot because that’s what it took to keep bigger schools from taking him as a recruiter and he could also be a head coach somewhere. He’s worth every penny and you are clueless about Kentucky football

 

[Dddjdd]

Marrow is always trying to sell something

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

New coaches usually do not want any connection to previous staff on his staff. That is just how it is. We need 100% clean break from the current staff.

That's just not true, they may not retain many but they want some connection to the players. Bama's new coach retained one, Kirby retained one when he took over for Richt, Elko retained one at ATM. It's much rarer when someone isn't retained and usually there is some issue, but even Chumlee retained coaches that were named in their scandal.

 

[gamalielkid]

New coaches usually do not want any connection to previous staff on his staff. That is just how it is. We need 100% clean break from the current staff.

But if the new coach is Sumrall - I think they are on friendly terms and they coached several years on the same staff here. In many, many cases the new coach will keep one or even two of the previous staff. If they are on good terms - Vince could be a very good transistion coach for Sumral.

Go Big Blue!

 

[satcheluk]

New coaches usually do not want any connection to previous staff on his staff. That is just how it is. We need 100% clean break from the current staff.

If I'm Mitch, I would ask every candidate if they were open to retaining Vince Marrow as Recruiting coordinator/TE coach an dif they said no, I'd mark them off the list for being a moron.

 

[satcheluk]

That's just not true, they may not retain many but they want some connection to the players. Bama's new coach retained one, Kirby retained one when he took over for Richt, Elko retained one at ATM. It's much rarer when someone isn't retained and usually there is some issue, but even Chumlee retained coaches that were named in their scandal.

A lot of people on the UK football message boards comment on things they have little to no knowledge about. I'm sure it may happen some at other schools, but it's astonishing how often it happens here. I may be wrong, but they may be UK basketball fans, who have picked up football recently, due to Stoops' success. I will add that the UK basketball fan knowledge seems quite the opposite, I suspect due to the generations of success and devoted following from childhood.

Anyone who knows anything about college football knows that this is quite common. FSU has 2-3 coaches who are now on their 2nd or 3rd coach and Odell Haggins has been on the coaching staff since 1994, so from Bobby Bowden. If there is enough talent on th eold team, the incoming staff will look to find a coach or two that will help retain those players they think can help the team from being a total rebuild.

 

[RunninRichie]

No offense, but I'm ready for every coach on the staff to hit the road. And that includes "big dog". He's not the only coach who can recruit the midwest.

 

[Edgarman]

If I'm Mitch, I would ask every candidate if they were open to retaining Vince Marrow as Recruiting coordinator/TE coach an dif they said no, I'd mark them off the list for being a moron.

You are an idiot to even think a highly rated coach is going to listen very long to an AD that is trying to pick his staff. The coach if worth a shvt would hang up after he told our AD to kiss his ass. If it is a coach just happy to get a job, he might listen. Vince Morrow has done jack squat with our TEs. There are great recruiters on most coaching staffs. We need coaches who can develop talent. That is what kids commit to, somewhere they are going to be developed. Who has VM developed as a TE. I'll hang up and listen!

 

[Crystalglass]

Give me some names we can reasonably get to replace VM at recruiting coordinator that are obvious upgrades?

 

[YaketySax]

Give me some names we can reasonably get to replace VM at recruiting coordinator that are obvious upgrades?

I’m sure there are dozens who can RC our way to Top 25-35 signing classes, win in state recruiting, and do it for $900k a year. They’d also be a better position coach. We ain’t ADs. We aren’t going to have a binder of names.

Vince is getting long in the tooth. He can’t sleep well without a CPAP machine. Crooting is a young man’s game.

 

[Crystalglass]

There are currently 2 dozen (+1) RCs who will haul in a top 25 class. Now factor in how many of those are at schools that essentially recruit themselves and have rich local talent pools and you’re certainly not left (at least on paper), with a huge number of people who have proven they can do what VM does.

Not saying they’re not out there, but to act like he’s going to be easy to replace is just not reality.

 

[Girthang]

My hunch is this opinion is largely shared by a good bit of the fan base. Sadly season ticket holders will have gone the entire season without seeing one SEC win. The talent on this roster is there and was evident in games against Ole Miss and UGA but the other SEC games have been for the large part unmitigated disasters, that reflects squarely on the coaching, not on the players.

The ship must be righted somehow.

I get that people are raw about the season. I get that people want to throw everyone under the bus because we've had a bad year. I'm pretty pissed about the coaching nistakes, too, but it's a combination of things, and you can't control WHEN they happen.

1- first year coordinator
2- first year starter at QB
3- line rebuilding, injuries
4- 3-4 DL consistently injured on the 2 deep
5- transition to new offensive scheme that is undeniably pass centered and uptempo
6- inability to go uptempo because of depth issues on D
7- impatience
8- improved SEC

Add in losses in the secondary due to injury and we're hemorrhaging on both sides

This o line is currently more run centered, not pass centered. It has consistent discipline issues in crucial situations. We've got one more year and a good class lined up, as well as guys developing in the weight room now. We've got a QB learning on the fly In a new system at a new program.

Short term-
Having a down year sucks. No doubt about it. Seeing the potential of this team but not have the results on the field sucks. Seeing the coaching mistakes, some of them the same sht different day mistakes, is really frustrating.

Big picture-
The difference between building here and building at Georgia, Florida, even A&M is night and day. With Vandy and USC improving, it's not going to get easier. Tearing this program apart right now is not the answer. It just isn't. The fruits of the most recent top 25 recruiting classes will not take shape until next year at the earliest, but likely the year following.

WE ARE JUST NOW SEEING in recruiting the fruits of kids growing up watching us BEAT UF and other SEC schools, and compete with the best of our conference consistently, and win bowl games. It's been a long process.

Would I love to see Sumrall be our next coach? Absolutely. Is he going to be hired by someone in the P5 soon? Most likely. But throwing away what's building to start over is a big gamble that hasn't paid off for UK Football in the past, and NOBODY HERE is willing to sit through more of the 2-10 seasons we've seen with rebuilding.

IF THIS JOB is the DREAM DESTINATION so many here think it is, IF WE CAN GET ANYONE we want to coach here, and it's such a great opportunity, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE Jon Sumrall regardless of who hires him next. So wtf is anyone here worried about "someone snatching him up before we do"...? That makes ZERO fkng sense.

This isn't UK Basketball. It's UK Football. And right now it's the house that Stoops and Marrow built whether people want to admit or not.

You don't prove yourself worthy of a Kirby Smart or Nick Saban type dynasty if you whine about NIL funding, bitch about paying the winningest coach that's also put UK on the recruiting map like it's never consistently been before, and throw the baby out with the bath water when you have potentially the first back to back to back top 25 recruiting classes in program history (when you include transfers).

HOWEVER, if you're the UK Football of old, as everyone here claims we are, you JUST FKN GIVE UP IN MIDSEASON when TIMES GET TOUGH.

This is possibly the first shtty year in the last 8 or 9. It sucks, and I want better coaching, better discipline by the staff and on the field, but it isnt worth taking a giant step back to where we were before Stoops & Marrow got here, and waiting another 3 years to get back to where WE ARE only to see our next coach hired away to a storied football program.

 

[Girthang]

But if the new coach is Sumrall - I think they are on friendly terms and they coached several years on the same staff here. In many, many cases the new coach will keep one or even two of the previous staff. If they are on good terms - Vince could be a very good transistion coach for Sumral.

Go Big Blue!

Vince is likely going to go if Stoops were to be fired. Just understand that. I don't see him staying if Mark Stoops isn't here. If he was going to strike out on his own, he'd have done before now, AND IF STOOPS WERE FIRED Vince would have his pick of top tier football schools at which he could be RC and likely for better pay

 

[Girthang]

I wish there was a dislike button. Anyone who’s been worth a crap for us in the last decade or so was brought here by Vince. Including a 5 start basketball player. I think you’re just complaining to complain

Exactly. Let of long term basketball only or fans of other schools' trolls coming out from under the bridge these days.

 

[YardCat]

No offense, but I'm ready for every coach on the staff to hit the road. And that includes "big dog". He's not the only coach who can recruit the midwest.

And if he is such a good recruiter, have him find us Offensive Lineman that are worth a nickel. Who cares about him recruiting TE’s. We only use them as blockers, so let Vince take over the recruitment of the line. Can’t be any worse than what we have right now. He can stay, but he will leave when Stoops finally leaves. IMO
And I know Marrow brings in other players other than TE’s before someone points it out.

 

[RunninRichie]

I get that people are raw about the season. I get that people want to throw everyone under the bus because we've had a bad year. I'm pretty pissed about the coaching nistakes, too, but it's a combination of things, and you can't control WHEN they happen.

1- first year coordinator
2- first year starter at QB
3- line rebuilding, injuries
4- 3-4 DL consistently injured on the 2 deep
5- transition to new offensive scheme that is undeniably pass centered and uptempo
6- inability to go uptempo because of depth issues on D
7- impatience
8- improved SEC

Add in losses in the secondary due to injury and we're hemorrhaging on both sides

This o line is currently more run centered, not pass centered. It has consistent discipline issues in crucial situations. We've got one more year and a good class lined up, as well as guys developing in the weight room now. We've got a QB learning on the fly In a new system at a new program.

Short term-
Having a down year sucks. No doubt about it. Seeing the potential of this team but not have the results on the field sucks. Seeing the coaching mistakes, some of them the same sht different day mistakes, is really frustrating.

Big picture-
The difference between building here and building at Georgia, Florida, even A&M is night and day. With Vandy and USC improving, it's not going to get easier. Tearing this program apart right now is not the answer. It just isn't. The fruits of the most recent top 25 recruiting classes will not take shape until next year at the earliest, but likely the year following.

WE ARE JUST NOW SEEING in recruiting the fruits of kids growing up watching us BEAT UF and other SEC schools, and compete with the best of our conference consistently, and win bowl games. It's been a long process.

Would I love to see Sumrall be our next coach? Absolutely. Is he going to be hired by someone in the P5 soon? Most likely. But throwing away what's building to start over is a big gamble that hasn't paid off for UK Football in the past, and NOBODY HERE is willing to sit through more of the 2-10 seasons we've seen with rebuilding.

IF THIS JOB is the DREAM DESTINATION so many here think it is, IF WE CAN GET ANYONE we want to coach here, and it's such a great opportunity, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE Jon Sumrall regardless of who hires him next. So wtf is anyone here worried about "someone snatching him up before we do"...? That makes ZERO fkng sense.

This isn't UK Basketball. It's UK Football. And right now it's the house that Stoops and Marrow built whether people want to admit or not.

You don't prove yourself worthy of a Kirby Smart or Nick Saban type dynasty if you whine about NIL funding, bitch about paying the winningest coach that's also put UK on the recruiting map like it's never consistently been before, and throw the baby out with the bath water when you have potentially the first back to back to back top 25 recruiting classes in program history (when you include transfers).

HOWEVER, if you're the UK Football of old, as everyone here claims we are, you JUST FKN GIVE UP IN MIDSEASON when TIMES GET TOUGH.

This is possibly the first shtty year in the last 8 or 9. It sucks, and I want better coaching, better discipline by the staff and on the field, but it isnt worth taking a giant step back to where we were before Stoops & Marrow got here, and waiting another 3 years to get back to where WE ARE only to see our next coach hired away to a storied football program.

Still bottom 3rd in the SEC.

 

[Deeeefense]

Exactly. Let of long term basketball only or fans of other schools' trolls coming out from under the bridge these days.

I've gotten rid of several of these, but feel free to report anything you think is trolling and I'll deal with it.

 

[Girthang]

I've gotten rid of several of these, but feel free to report anything you think is trolling and I'll deal with it.

Yall have done a great job of it. Seem to be doing just that before I ever know they're there.

 

[Rockfly78]

Exactly. Let of long term basketball only or fans of other schools' trolls coming out from under the bridge these days.

Let’s say we had a coaching change tomorrow and a brand new guy comes in. One of his very firsts tasks will be to find a way to retain marrow.

 

[Rockfly78]

I get that people are raw about the season. I get that people want to throw everyone under the bus because we've had a bad year. I'm pretty pissed about the coaching nistakes, too, but it's a combination of things, and you can't control WHEN they happen.

1- first year coordinator
2- first year starter at QB
3- line rebuilding, injuries
4- 3-4 DL consistently injured on the 2 deep
5- transition to new offensive scheme that is undeniably pass centered and uptempo
6- inability to go uptempo because of depth issues on D
7- impatience
8- improved SEC

Add in losses in the secondary due to injury and we're hemorrhaging on both sides

This o line is currently more run centered, not pass centered. It has consistent discipline issues in crucial situations. We've got one more year and a good class lined up, as well as guys developing in the weight room now. We've got a QB learning on the fly In a new system at a new program.

Short term-
Having a down year sucks. No doubt about it. Seeing the potential of this team but not have the results on the field sucks. Seeing the coaching mistakes, some of them the same sht different day mistakes, is really frustrating.

Big picture-
The difference between building here and building at Georgia, Florida, even A&M is night and day. With Vandy and USC improving, it's not going to get easier. Tearing this program apart right now is not the answer. It just isn't. The fruits of the most recent top 25 recruiting classes will not take shape until next year at the earliest, but likely the year following.

WE ARE JUST NOW SEEING in recruiting the fruits of kids growing up watching us BEAT UF and other SEC schools, and compete with the best of our conference consistently, and win bowl games. It's been a long process.

Would I love to see Sumrall be our next coach? Absolutely. Is he going to be hired by someone in the P5 soon? Most likely. But throwing away what's building to start over is a big gamble that hasn't paid off for UK Football in the past, and NOBODY HERE is willing to sit through more of the 2-10 seasons we've seen with rebuilding.

IF THIS JOB is the DREAM DESTINATION so many here think it is, IF WE CAN GET ANYONE we want to coach here, and it's such a great opportunity, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE Jon Sumrall regardless of who hires him next. So wtf is anyone here worried about "someone snatching him up before we do"...? That makes ZERO fkng sense.

This isn't UK Basketball. It's UK Football. And right now it's the house that Stoops and Marrow built whether people want to admit or not.

You don't prove yourself worthy of a Kirby Smart or Nick Saban type dynasty if you whine about NIL funding, bitch about paying the winningest coach that's also put UK on the recruiting map like it's never consistently been before, and throw the baby out with the bath water when you have potentially the first back to back to back top 25 recruiting classes in program history (when you include transfers).

HOWEVER, if you're the UK Football of old, as everyone here claims we are, you JUST FKN GIVE UP IN MIDSEASON when TIMES GET TOUGH.

This is possibly the first shtty year in the last 8 or 9. It sucks, and I want better coaching, better discipline by the staff and on the field, but it isnt worth taking a giant step back to where we were before Stoops & Marrow got here, and waiting another 3 years to get back to where WE ARE only to see our next coach hired away to a storied football program.

I’ve long said that our fans try to apply their basketball entitlement to the football program.

But here we are. Our people think that the answer is to boycott the football program and have the stadium less than half full on game days. Yeah boy, that’s gonna force a change and bring in the next Kirby smart. Smh. Oh wait….I must be accepting mediocrity again.

Your post is a good one. It won’t be well received naturally.

 

[Pelosigalore]

I’d say that almost all of the blame goes on Stoops, not Marrow.

 

[satcheluk]

You are an idiot to even think a highly rated coach is going to listen very long to an AD that is trying to pick his staff. The coach if worth a shvt would hang up after he told our AD to kiss his ass. If it is a coach just happy to get a job, he might listen. Vince Morrow has done jack squat with our TEs. There are great recruiters on most coaching staffs. We need coaches who can develop talent. That is what kids commit to, somewhere they are going to be developed. Who has VM developed as a TE. I'll hang up and listen!

You mad? Your ability to express and defend an argument with logic and facts, sans emotion needs work. Maybe dial it down and try again.