Vegas, Refs

[oldsports_]

The national sports scene is buzzing the morning after about the referees in this years NCAA basketball season. Dozens of articles are popping up, and it is getting traction, do the refs have a hand it the games outcome?
What you won't find, is anyone with the balls to just flat out and say it, the refs are in Vegas's pocket. Is this possible? The Zags did little to help themselves late in the game, but when they did get the lead, here come the whistles again.

 

[letitrainuk]

It was that way with UK this year I noticed. We would get a good lead and their whistles started working again.

 

[oldsports_]

It was that way with UK this year I noticed. We would get a good lead and their whistles started working again.

It happens across the board, seems basketball is the worst of all

 

[TheDude73]

The national sports scene is buzzing the morning after about the referees in this years NCAA basketball season. Dozens of articles are popping up, and it is getting traction, do the refs have a hand it the games outcome?
What you won't find, is anyone with the balls to just flat out and say it, the refs are in Vegas's pocket. Is this possible? The Zags did little to help themselves late in the game, but when they did get the lead, here come the whistles again.

I'd not say they're in anyone's pocket as much as a few might be doing some anonymous online gambling of their own, on games they are calling.

I also believe there's more to the NCAA's involvement in funneling down "implied direction" on what teams should get what types of treatment in what types of games. It's all to strange that UNC won this thing while that investigation is still open and ongoing. And the push to get Puke from a 4 to a 1 seed - that was bizarre. Finally, Gonzaga ended up with what is now seen as the easiest path to the final game in the history of the 64 team field. Granted, that was supposed to be Puke's cakewalk, but still.

There is something amiss, however, in the game of college basketball. The wild variety of refereeing styles from league-to-league and into the NCAAT, coupled with odd coincidences and the gargantuan amount of cash flow that everyone except the players stand to gain from these games, is just becoming too common to simply rule out as "random events".

 

[stevo51]

Point spread and over/under betting is a huge potential problem. You gotta wonder if some refs aren't in the pockets of gamblers

 

[westerncat]

Maybe the Russians know something about this ?

 

[Dablueman]

I'd not say they're in anyone's pocket as much as a few might be doing some anonymous online gambling of their own, on games they are calling.

I also believe there's more to the NCAA's involvement in funneling down "implied direction" on what teams should get what types of treatment in what types of games. It's all to strange that UNC won this thing while that investigation is still open and ongoing. And the push to get Puke from a 4 to a 1 seed - that was bizarre. Finally, Gonzaga ended up with what is now seen as the easiest path to the final game in the history of the 64 team field. Granted, that was supposed to be Puke's cakewalk, but still.

There is something amiss, however, in the game of college basketball. The wild variety of refereeing styles from league-to-league and into the NCAAT, coupled with odd coincidences and the gargantuan amount of cash flow that everyone except the players stand to gain from these games, is just becoming too common to simply rule out as "random events".

As soon as the final four was set. One of the CBS announcers immediately said and I would just like to point out all four final four teams are led by upperclassmen. I'm like wow unscripted random thought! Yeah right no agenda at all. It drives them crazy what Cal can do with young players. K embraced one and done has seen how hard it is to win with them and now back to the can't win with younger player agenda

 

[Chief Paducah]

I think it could partly be Vegas. You know whether it comes straight from someone in power or not, they know the lines on the games. I also think they do it for TV. They can't keep every game close but they can do their best to make it that way to keep the audience attached to the TV screens. We all know viewership = money to advertisers.

 

[ganner918]

Just looking at Vegas Insider, 52% of against the spread bets and 64% of money line bets went to UNC. Wouldn't "Vegas" have been in favor of Gonzaga winning?

 

[docholiday51]

The NCAA and the networks want games to be close,how much they want it and to what extent they will go to make sure they are is the real question.I think you can make a pretty good case that the refs do their part to keep games close,There were many more close games in the tourney than there were blowouts,is there really that much parity? Parity is maybe a bit manufactured??

 

[TACcat7]

Just looking at Vegas Insider, 52% of against the spread bets and 64% of money line bets went to UNC. Wouldn't "Vegas" have been in favor of Gonzaga winning?

Vegas wins off taking the loser's juice. They set the line in the middle and win either way. The losing juice more than offsets the payouts. By far...

 

[ganner918]

Vegas wins off taking the loser's juice. They set the line in the middle and win either way. The losing juice more than offsets the payouts. By far...

With 64% of the money line on UNC and UNC at -130, Vegas paid out $49 for every $100 bet. Had Gonzaga won at +110 and 36% of the bets, Vegas would have paid out $40 for every $100 bet.

With 52% of the ATS bet on UNC, Vegas paid out just a bit more than they would have if Gonzaga had won.

And, anyway, if it doesn't matter who wins, what sense do conspiracy theories about Vegas "fixes" make?

 

[coolioo1]

The fact that 3 to 4 of UNC's wins in the tournament had too much influence by refs does cause people to talk. Yes, sometimes a super team pulls out a close win that had some questionable calls, but this was not a super team, average to bad National Chamionship team. In 2012, I cannot rememeber a game that even the refs could have stopped that team! Then again, against Wisconsin, UK plays that game one year later, Nigel's shot is reviewed and UK likely wins!!! OH MY.

I have no idea why Few didn't demand that they review that jump ball out of bounds call, it was reviewable.

 

[TexKat]

We need one of our own to go be an undercover NCAA ref. He could probably write a bestseller afterwards!

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

In 2015, it was obvious especially with late money on Wisconsin.

Another time I knew Vegas had influence was when we played Texas at home one year recently. We had the ball game won and the refs called some ticky tack foul on Texas 70 feet from the basket with one second left so they covered the spread.

 

[coolioo1]

I am not sure that 2015 the refs really cost us, but they should have seen the shot clock violation but the most frustrating thing is, the rules changed that the refs would have HAD to review that the following year!!! UGGHHHH.

 

[BigBlueCatNation]

The national sports scene is buzzing the morning after about the referees in this years NCAA basketball season. Dozens of articles are popping up, and it is getting traction, do the refs have a hand it the games outcome?
What you won't find, is anyone with the balls to just flat out and say it, the refs are in Vegas's pocket. Is this possible? The Zags did little to help themselves late in the game, but when they did get the lead, here come the whistles again.

I don't know the answer here, but if you don't have accountablity then you can get away with anything.

 

[Lumpy 2]

I don't think the threats against Higgins (if they really happened) should have ever been made, but at least they have helped shine a spotlight on the incompetent and corrupt officiating in college basketball. They now know they will be scrutinized more closely and the negative publicity the NCAA is getting from some in the national media can't make them feel too good. Hopefully, this will put enough pressure on them to make them hold the officials more accountable.

 

[JoeBeeHall]

it is caused by universal reciprocating prime force .

 

[Smashcat]

Just looking at Vegas Insider, 52% of against the spread bets and 64% of money line bets went to UNC. Wouldn't "Vegas" have been in favor of Gonzaga winning?

No.

 

[Rajon239]

Just looking at Vegas Insider, 52% of against the spread bets and 64% of money line bets went to UNC. Wouldn't "Vegas" have been in favor of Gonzaga winning?

Just because more of the public bet on UNC doesn't mean more money wasn't bet on Gonzaga.

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

Maybe we shouldn't be looking at "Vegas" per se. The over/under is easy for refs to manipulate and interested parties may have nothing whatsoever to do with Vegas.
Maybe there is something shady going on. But, maybe there are a lot of agendas and incompetence as well.

 

[LouievileKat]

Can I hold it longer daddy? I worked so hard.

 

[oldsports_]

Ncaa basketball=WrestleMania