UNC academic scandal leaves university in peril beyond athletics

[*Bleedingblue*]

Didn't know if this CBS article had been posted here or not.

One particular stain in the North Carolina scandal won't go away.

No matter how many passes the NCAA takes on what still has to be labeled the largest academic fraud scandal in major-college history; no matter how many coaches and championships are walled off in denial of a history of paper classes that went back 18 years, North Carolina's reputation as a highly-regarded top-level research school -- not just the athletic department -- is being questioned by a higher power.

Belle Wheelan can tell you. The president of the regional accrediting agency charged with approving North Carolina's academic credentials remains troubled.

In her 11 years as head of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission, she has never seen anything like it -- a school this prominent being put on probation by her organization.

"It was devastating, it really was," Wheelan said. "Everybody keeps saying this is an athletic issue. This is much more than an athletic issue.".....


While the NCAA hasn't come close to putting the words "academic" and "fraud" in the same sentence, for the commission, there was no tip-toeing around the issue. The school could lose federal funding because that's what accrediting agencies do........

The school's current probation is considered the "most serious sanction" short of being kicked out by the commission.

The SACSCOC and Higher Learning Commission are the two largest regional accrediting agencies in the country. The two entities oversee a combined 30 states and tens of thousands of schools.

Wheelan said her knowledge goes back 11 years. For the Higher Learning Commission, there is no such case similar to North Carolina's in the last 40 years. That's as far as the commission's records reach according to a spokesman.



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...scandal-leaves-professors-university-in-peril

 

[wild mandu]

They sacrificed their entire university for the athletic department, specifically men's basketball.

UNC isn't a school anymore. If I was a student or alum, I would be pissed off, but we all know that's not how they think. And if I was an employer and a potential employee had a degree from North Carolina, I would just laugh in their face.

 

[the stat man]

Well she must be mistaken !! Because we know the NCAA and UHCheat its self would want this cleaned up and taken care of the right way if there any real issues here !! Maybe she should send UNCheat and ammended notice and say it was all a mistake !

 

[Smashcat]

 

[hotelblue]

They sacrificed their entire university for the athletic department, specifically men's basketball.

UNC isn't a school anymore. If I was a student or alum, I would be pissed off, but we all know that's not how they think. And if I was an employer and a potential employee had a degree from North Carolina, I would just laugh in their face.

this is one of my posts from 5 years ago lol. they didn't hesitate and sold their souls. the profs knew then and some of them were vocal if i recall. all for sports.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

I bet their plan is for the state to bail them out.

 

[Cat78Scot]

You know that lawsuit that was just thrown out concerning the UofL students (idiots) suing Katina for diminishing the value of their degrees? I would think UNC graduates would have a stronger case for taking their alma mater to court over this!

 

[westerncat]

People are beating a dead horse over UNC*** cheaters. Enough money will make this go away. How long has this investigation been going on and still nothing. Very little will be done to UNC***.

 

[JDHoss]

I have to wonder how many of their grads are like my Dr. who said he stopped donations last year, and will not donate until they admit guilt and take their punishment.

 

[catdance]

I have to wonder how many of their grads are like my Dr. who said he stopped donations last year, and will not donate until they admit guilt and take their punishment.

Is he a real doctor?

 

[JDHoss]

Is he a real doctor?

Yep...the guy pretty much saved my life about 25 years ago.

 

[catdance]

Yep...the guy pretty much saved my life about 25 years ago.

Well I guess if he didn't play basketball, they made sure he learned something.

 

[Bkocats]

People are beating a dead horse over UNC*** cheaters. Enough money will make this go away. How long has this investigation been going on and still nothing. Very little will be done to UNC***.

^^ this
as nice as articles like these sound, nothing will happen. It's all been decided, and probably was well before the ANOA. Heck, probably before any investigation.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

^^ this
as nice as articles like these sound, nothing will happen. It's all been decided, and probably was well before the ANOA. Heck, probably before any investigation.

As I said in another thread a while back UNC is too big to fail. Their crime is so huge that nothing will happen.

It's like the banks that caused the last crises and will cause the next one. How many went to jail? Nobody

Unc's cheating was so massive and occurred over decades that all they will get is a clean up your act.

The punishment would of been more than likely the death penalty for several years. All wins forfeited that played a player who had taken a fake class. That means all those banners coming down and the money paid back that was brought in as revenue during that time. Your talking millions and millions of dollars.

 

[drainthatub]

UNCheat is about as smooth as ulismyman's butter

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

The entire institution in and around UNC basketball is just one mindless booster club that is willing to let that entire state rot into the swamp if it means a few more basketball wins. There comes a time when honorable people are supposed to intervene when things need to be put back into their proper perspective. Apparently there are none in North Carolina that are powerful enough or care enough about UNC as an academic institution of higher learning to save them from themselves.

Sadly enough, all the institutions like SACS and especially the NCAA that are supposed to step in and intervene when a school like UNC needs an intervention have failed miserably to right the ship at UNC.

The one single thing we know FOR SURE that will result because of this mess is that UNC will only be emboldened to continue and even expand their cheating schemes rather than be shocked back into realizing they need major complete systemic changes at every level of their University and sporting programs to put them back into their proper perspectives.

 

[Xception]

UNC is not too big to fail , they just have people in places to help . The NCAA panders to the ACC in basketball , they love the idea of a avademically string conference that also wins and they go out of their way to look the other way . This is a very simple situation that has a perfect solution , take away the wins and titles . If you don't want to punish the innocent then don't , let them keep playing without restriction but take away what they stole from college bb .

 

[hotelblue]

People are beating a dead horse over UNC*** cheaters. Enough money will make this go away. How long has this investigation been going on and still nothing. Very little will be done to UNC***.

"very little" is the outcome no matter what. even if punished severely.

 

[Clive Gollings]

"very little" is the outcome no matter what. even if punished severely.

THis guy gets it.

 

[Cat78Scot]

Regardless of any lack of punishment, which is disappointing to say the least and hugely hypocritical as we all know what would happen to UK had this been us, they will forever be tainted. The Carolina Way has been exposed as a complete sham and everyone knows it.

 

[TankedCat]

probation- big freaking deal.

what does probation mean to a school as it relates to academics? "If you get caught again we'll pull your credentials?"

that means nothing to UNC. They've already cleaned house academically . They know they are under the microscope. Probation from their accreditor means nothing.

Have some balls and pull their accreditation until they provide restitution to every student they've defrauded over the past 20 years. Then I'll be impressed.

 

[Chuckinden]

If I was a UNCheat alumnus, I would be ashamed that my school has fought so hard at every turn and spent so much money to cover this up. The NCAA is showing what a joke they are by not punishing UNCheat for making a way for athletes in every sport to eligible without having to do the work. Member schools should protest vehemently that nothing is being done to UNCheat.

 

[the stat man]

The delay in sending the new NOA was most likely just the amount of time it took the NCAA to figure out how not to punish Ole honest Roy and the rest of UNCheat. They never intended to punish them, just figure out how to make it go away, and then just act like business as usual.

 

[Jkwo]

Watch ole miss become a smoldering crater for giving an old lady in the hood 300 bucks for her water bill while UNC can loudly state that they can't be touched for decades of fraudulent classes, and the NCAA doesn't have the balls to disagree with them.

I'd say Jay Bilas's libertarian argument about sticking with the rules and not allowing overreach by the governing body makes sense, except they've already vastly overreached their rulebook when it suited them (Penn St), so clearly they're just playing favorites.

And what kind of idiot organization wouldn't have thought of this massive loophole in their own rules anyways? They expect coaches to follow the bull crap in some article on the five billionth of their rule book about what kind of toppings recruits can have on their bagels, but yet, they don't have a way to deal with athletes participating in academic fraud if it's *too* widespread?

Get out of here, you idiots.

 

[hotelblue]

The delay in sending the new NOA was most likely just the amount of time it took the NCAA to figure out how not to punish Ole honest Roy and the rest of UNCheat. They never intended to punish them, just figure out how to make it go away, and then just act like business as usual.

no one really mentions this. people have been restless this last year (imo because unc had a good team), but honestly, if we wanted the ncaa to do their actual job that investigation would take years. no one likes to mention that because if there is a slap on the wrist, it would be a major disappointment. we all know the ncaa's hand was basically forced by public knowledge/opinion, so they look bad as usual no matter what. however i never took issue with how long the investigation would take.

my thing is they should have put them on loic immediately (including postseason ban) pending final/specific sanctions, because they were already on probation with investigators already there cleaning up the football/athletic dept. mess. talk about red flags and violation of probation. but the ncaa didn't do anything. only after unc self investigated did emmert mention the scandal, referencing what was being uncovered as "disturbing". and it was a while after that iirc until the ncaa officials reopened the investigation (they were at unc but done investigating football apparently, which shows how big a mess they were already in). it's in this light that you clearly see how they actually deserve the "death penalty".

 

[hotelblue]

the reason the ncaa should be involved is because it's in their jurisdiction. just like probable cause & motive...who benefits from the fake classes at unc? did regular students benefit from accreditation probation? there is only one answer: athletes. athletes got to a) stay enrolled, b) stay eligible to play sports and c) have more time to practice having thin work loads. regular students got a few units and a tarnished degree. the athletes got to play on a big stage in the acc and didn't deserve that opportunity. or maybe they did in some forum outside the ncaa. that is another argument. the point is the scandal being majorly against the rules that we have.

it use to be my biggest concern that they robbed mostly young black men and women of a quality education. and this IS supremely sad. but for those players that such a scandal was instituted for (bball/football), i think they wanted no part of school coming in and were probably grateful to the system.

this imo is seriously why those 70's-90's x-heel bball players talk about smith as a father figure. he certainly taught them about life...but he definitely cheated them in life by being their sugar daddy. what damage he could have really done had the whole of unc not networked itself to have former players taken care of (i have less problem with this as many schools have this going on...kid doesn't go nba but gets a sweet job locally etc.). if you were one of the players you'd probably feel the same way about him. but you are knowingly cheating on the whole notion of amateurism and collegiate sports (student athletes) as well just completely flipping the ncaa and every other complying institution the bird. but like i said, if going to school is not in anyway the reason to attend, then this is just consistent with the narrative. the kind of players they offered had by in large little to no intent in attending college to learn anything in depth.

think of the recruits we missed while tubby was here for starters. ones that chose unc over us. a few pf's to be sure. you ever realize that losing them to unc (in hindsight) probably meant that they (one example is hansbrough) most probably desired handouts and rick/tubby etc couldn't match it. and that unc was playing ball with easy degrees and god know's what else...

 

[O'boro Cat]

UNC and its fans don't care as long as the basketball banners stay.

 

[FilsonCat]

Maybe Julius Peppers will write a tell all book. You know, with that incredible education he received. He MUST be a proficient writer, with all of those papers he wrote.

Roy will even help him pick out the pictures for each page.

 

[hotelblue]

fact: the "carolina way" will never live again so long as the rivals exist. this story that is unc's cheating culture will be handed down from one generation to the next. as part of college basketball's iliad.

 

[Xception]

The eligibility scam was first uncovered by rival fans , that demonstrates the NCAAs willfull incompetence . The NCAA investigated UNC football and didn't find the eligibility scandal or did they and ignored it . Either way it was never going to be exposed by the governing body , why ? Why was a UNC alumn sent to warn UNC about the classes being exposed and to shut them down , why does the NCAA assist UNC in covering this up ?

 

[ColonelCat]

Didn't know if this CBS article had been posted here or not.

One particular stain in the North Carolina scandal won't go away.

No matter how many passes the NCAA takes on what still has to be labeled the largest academic fraud scandal in major-college history; no matter how many coaches and championships are walled off in denial of a history of paper classes that went back 18 years, North Carolina's reputation as a highly-regarded top-level research school -- not just the athletic department -- is being questioned by a higher power.

Belle Wheelan can tell you. The president of the regional accrediting agency charged with approving North Carolina's academic credentials remains troubled.

In her 11 years as head of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission, she has never seen anything like it -- a school this prominent being put on probation by her organization.

"It was devastating, it really was," Wheelan said. "Everybody keeps saying this is an athletic issue. This is much more than an athletic issue.".....


While the NCAA hasn't come close to putting the words "academic" and "fraud" in the same sentence, for the commission, there was no tip-toeing around the issue. The school could lose federal funding because that's what accrediting agencies do........

The school's current probation is considered the "most serious sanction" short of being kicked out by the commission.

The SACSCOC and Higher Learning Commission are the two largest regional accrediting agencies in the country. The two entities oversee a combined 30 states and tens of thousands of schools.

Wheelan said her knowledge goes back 11 years. For the Higher Learning Commission, there is no such case similar to North Carolina's in the last 40 years. That's as far as the commission's records reach according to a spokesman.



"It was devastating, it really was," Wheelan said. "Everybody keeps saying this is an athletic issue. This is much more than an athletic issue.".....{{The NCAA said is was an academic issue, not an athletic issue}} which is it? I guess whichever gets them off with the least amount of penalty.

 

[docholiday51]

The eligibility scam was first uncovered by rival fans , that demonstrates the NCAAs willfull incompetence . The NCAA investigated UNC football and didn't find the eligibility scandal or did they and ignored it . Either way it was never going to be exposed by the governing body , why ? Why was a UNC alumn sent to warn UNC about the classes being exposed and to shut them down , why does the NCAA assist UNC in covering this up ?

Good questions,since the NCAA refuses to act in this matter it is up to individual schools to take a stand.Cancel scheduled games,refuse to schedule them for a period of time,have enough nerve to do the right thing

 

[struggler]

The school to take the lead in dropping UNC is Duke - If Duke hates UNC as much as I think they do - then do it! I know huge ripple effect for their state - but if Duke dropped UNC - then others would follow, and ESPN would have to decide which whore to stay in bed with, UNC or Duke. THIS would be epic. It would take a big name to drop them - but you have to know many would love to follow suit. Years of pompous, arrogant UNC "Carolina Way" from a self-righteous fan base, combined with schools that have suffered harsh penalties from the NCAA would yield a good crop of schools that would welcome dropping UNC. If not Duke - UL needs to join forces with NC State to bring tangible punishment to UNC - the biggest fraud in the ACC (and that is saying a lot).

 

[Bkocats]

The school to take the lead in dropping UNC is Duke - If Duke hates UNC as much as I think they do - then do it! I know huge ripple effect for their state - but if Duke dropped UNC - then others would follow, and ESPN would have to decide which whore to stay in bed with, UNC or Duke. THIS would be epic. It would take a big name to drop them - but you have to know many would love to follow suit. Years of pompous, arrogant UNC "Carolina Way" from a self-righteous fan base, combined with schools that have suffered harsh penalties from the NCAA would yield a good crop of schools that would welcome dropping UNC. If not Duke - UL needs to join forces with NC State to bring tangible punishment to UNC - the biggest fraud in the ACC (and that is saying a lot).

Forgive me if I misread this, I believe you're talking about playing them? If so, I don't think they can drop them- they're in the same conference. Duke would have to leave the ACC to avoid the games. Not to mention the revenue is pretty huge - would Duke be willing to give that up? I think not because money is a large part of the reason the ncaa** won't do anything.
However, if you meant something else, I apologize - maybe have Duke lead the charge in denouncing unc**? Would they do that?

 

[WettCat]

fact: the "carolina way" will never live again so long as the rivals exist..

I disagree, I think it will go forward but with an entirely different connotation. It now means, blind arrogance in the presence of abhorrent behavior.

 

[catdance]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...olds-yard-sale-old-athletic-apparel-equipment
I wonder if the customers searched the pockets for weed? There had to be some old useless diplomas on the ephemera table.

 

[Estil]

I know many of us are just itching for heavy sanctions and banners coming down and so on (especially considering our own little "Kentucky's Shame" incident), UNC is, in the famous words of Donner, gonna lose something much more than those put together, self respect!!

 

[martinsm30]

Forgive me if I misread this, I believe you're talking about playing them? If so, I don't think they can drop them- they're in the same conference. Duke would have to leave the ACC to avoid the games. Not to mention the revenue is pretty huge - would Duke be willing to give that up? I think not because money is a large part of the reason the ncaa** won't do anything.
However, if you meant something else, I apologize - maybe have Duke lead the charge in denouncing unc**? Would they do that?

These are school administrators at a major University participating in for profit sports. There isn't much difference between them and CEOs of major corporations. It is all about the Benjamins. They are not going to impact their bottom line or their position of "power". Unless there is something that threatens to destroy their hypocritical ivory tower they're sticking with the status quo.

 

[Bkocats]

These are school administrators at a major University participating in for profit sports. There isn't much difference between them and CEOs of major corporations. It is all about the Benjamins. They are not going to impact their bottom line or their position of "power". Unless there is something that threatens to destroy their hypocritical ivory tower they're sticking with the status quo.

that's what my thought was - you stated it much more succinctly

 

[drawing_dead]

let's not forget:

guns
weed
shoes
rental cars
Fats
mouth guards
free houses on Roy's dime