UK just derailed the Harbaugh train before it even got started.
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Not having to fight Marrow and Harbaugh in Ohio for the same recruits is a headache I'm thankful we won't have to suffer. UM might find something close to VM, but I'm glad we have him working for us and not vice versa.
I am sure Michigan will be just fine without Marrow. They are one of the elites in college football and they have the hottest name in college football right now as their coach. Harbaugh will be able to build a terrific staff.
That said, this is a really big deal for us. We don't have the tradition and history that Michigan have. We would have had a much tougher time trying to find a replacement on the level of Marrow. By him staying, we keep our ace recruiter, we won't have him at Michigan recruiting against us in an area we highly value and it will send a really strong message that UK is committed to succeeding in football.
In short, had he gone to Michigan this would have been a very good hire for them. But UK getting him to stay is absolutely critical for us. That one man is responsible for more than HALF of the 4 star guys that have come here since Stoops took over. Michigan will be able to make due with someone else because they have always recruited well. I don't think it would have been as easy for us to make due without Marrow. Keeping him here a few more years while we continue to build and improve is crucial. Maybe he'll someday get a look at OC if and when Dawson leaves. Or maybe he'll get a good job offer somewhere else. But right now we need him here doing exactly what he has been doing. After a few more years and when the winning seasons start coming, then we'll be in a better position to recruit than we are currently.
This is just an incredibly big deal with huge implications. I don't think a lot of UK fans truly realize how important Marrow is to UK's building efforts.
That said, this is a really big deal for us. We don't have the tradition and history that Michigan have. We would have had a much tougher time trying to find a replacement on the level of Marrow. By him staying, we keep our ace recruiter, we won't have him at Michigan recruiting against us in an area we highly value and it will send a really strong message that UK is committed to succeeding in football.
In short, had he gone to Michigan this would have been a very good hire for them. But UK getting him to stay is absolutely critical for us. That one man is responsible for more than HALF of the 4 star guys that have come here since Stoops took over. Michigan will be able to make due with someone else because they have always recruited well. I don't think it would have been as easy for us to make due without Marrow. Keeping him here a few more years while we continue to build and improve is crucial. Maybe he'll someday get a look at OC if and when Dawson leaves. Or maybe he'll get a good job offer somewhere else. But right now we need him here doing exactly what he has been doing. After a few more years and when the winning seasons start coming, then we'll be in a better position to recruit than we are currently.
This is just an incredibly big deal with huge implications. I don't think a lot of UK fans truly realize how important Marrow is to UK's building efforts.
I am a UK football fan first and foremost. This is awesome and I couldn't be happier. We are at a pivotal time. We have just started to get this thing rolling and we can't afford to lose our best recruiter. The nature of coaching is that guys change jobs a lot........a lot. Often for promotion. It is likely that we will lose Marrow at some point.......since it is unlikely that we will promote him to OC in the future.......but I would prefer to really get this program further along.
With UM being a lower level, secondary team of mine, I'm not really bothered. UM is so large and elite that they'll just go out and find another top recruiter.
With UM being a lower level, secondary team of mine, I'm not really bothered. UM is so large and elite that they'll just go out and find another top recruiter.
Michigan had the #5 ranked recruiting class 2 years ago. I'm guessing Harbaugh will get back there quickly (recruiting) but now they will be developed and coached at a high level.
Rivals 2013 recruiting rankings
Rivals 2013 recruiting rankings
In regards to Michigan being so large and elite, Not to necessarily disagree, but, they are on their third coach in what, 5-6 years? And yes, I know, we are too...just saying that it might not be as easy for MI as everyone seems to think. They have along way to go and many B1G teams have passed them by.
Meh, bluebloods recover well. They said the same stuff about Bama after they went thru 6 coaches in 7 years. The right hire at the right school with the right tradition can trump a lot of woes in a hurry.
Nice win for UK to hang on to Marrow because he is more important to them than MIch. With that said you sure never derailed the Harbaugh train. His name and experience carry much more clout than Stoops or Marrow as does the Michigan program. This year they are getting a late start on the Ohio kids but next year of Michigan does after them it will tougher for Marrow to work his magic.
There is truth in this. With Harbaugh and Michigan in the picture with Ohio now, next year is a huge year for UK on the field. Let's finish out this class strong. Hopefully we pick up commitments from Damien Harris and Marcus Lewis especially. They're two very important targets for the program.
Kentucky needs to win a very good sum of games next season. Michigan has its own struggles to overcome, so I expect somewhat of an underwhelming season for Michigan, they'll be pretty hot on the recruiting trail though. Marrow and Stoops will need to his Ohio hard, and go after every big-time recruit there. Try to pressure the likes of Michigan and Ohio State as much as possible.
If Kentucky can win 8 games before bowl season, we should be exceptionally hot on the recruiting trail, especially with 3 early commits from 4-star players, two of which being o-linemen (encouraging for any offensive player, especially encouraging for the program). The class of 2016's current recruits seem bent on the idea of making 2016 the best class to come to UK, which is a great mentality for them to have. That in itself will help on the trail.
I feel like next season will need to be a widely-regarded success, not a success in the eyes of the fans. Most kids coming to this program will make objective choices in their recruitment to decide what program best suits them and their interest. Many big time recruits won't see success in the same light that we see it (as a rebuilding program).
I think it's important that we have an explosive and exciting, yet balanced offense. I think Stoops needs to do what he's always done with his defenses by year 3 under him.
I'm encouraged, I don't know how many of you all see it, but I see Kentucky getting onto a roll, and I love it!
If we want to really open up the game in Ohio, and other surrounding areas, against programs like Ohio State and Michigan, next year is the most important year that Kentucky will have, and finishing out the recruiting class strong this season will play a key cog in doing just that.
#RantOverFolks.
Obviously those things were said tongue-in-cheek.Originally posted by ville 77:
Nice win for UK to hang on to Marrow because he is more important to them than MIch. With that said you sure never derailed the Harbaugh train. His name and experience carry much more clout than Stoops or Marrow as does the Michigan program[/URL]. This year they are getting a late start on the Ohio kids but next year of Michigan does after them it will tougher for Marrow to work his magic.
Michigan has always been a big player in Ohio for football recruits. Until Rich Rod and Hoke about 1/3 of their roster was from Ohio.
Ohio State basically gets who they want in the state.
Kentucky is a new player in Ohio and doing quite well, holding on to Marrow is definitely a very big deal for UK.
Remember these kids grow up being told how great the Big10 is and they believe it......changing that mindset is no easy task. Slowly our Ohio connections are changing that!!!!
RE: "BIG teams passing them by"...
Who? There simply aren't that many good teams in the Big 10. MSU has passed them. OSU had already passed them. Otherwise, Michigan is fine. PSU is still down (though rising). Indiana, Purdue, NW, Illinois, and Rutgers all suck. Michigan is still ahead of Iowa and Mary. They're not far behind Wisco and Nebraska. They'll be fine.
This is why I argued that Les Miles should jump at the Michigan job if he got the chance. He is going to have a hell of a time fighting past saban, Malzahn, Sumlin, Freeze, and Bielema. Would be much easier to get Michigan back to the top.
I will always maintain that Harbough was much more motivated by NOT having to recruit agains Marrow then having Marrow recruit for them. Harris was once all in for Michigan, now he is likly headed to UK - I think that, in part anyway, raised concerns that lead to their decision to attempt to poach Marrow.
Vince has a long way to go before he's ready for an OC job at the FBS level anyway. He's only been a position coach for a couple of years, and a rather ordinary one at that, from what I can see. Recruiting is obviously his strength, and he has the gifts and work ethic to be highly successful at it. He will be rewarded well for that as long as he remains at UK.
Yeah, I know Deee. I was just saying that we would only be able to promote him "so" many times before he'd have to go elsewhere. Just the nature of the beast when it comes to coaching.
Suit yourself, but they lost to Maryland and Minnesota AT HOME and also to Rutgers and only beat NW 10-9 this year.....I guess it depends on your definition of "passed them by"......but IMO there is a lot more parity in the Big Ten since the last time Michigan was REALLY RELEVANT and they have a long way to go to turn it around.....if they win 9-10 games in 2015 than you can put Harbaugh in the same strata as Saban. Michigan will likely challenge for the top of the Big Ten but to say it will happen fast....right now, I just have my doubts.....and Michigan fans have shown they have little patience.
Grog, you have to do some more research before making a judgment. Michigan won a NC in the late 90's, then won 9-11 games/yr under an aging coach in Carr who was past his prime. They did this for about 6-7 yrs. Carr retired leaving the roster with "on paper" top 10-15 talent......pro-style schemed talent.
They hired Rich Rod who had to revamp the roster completely. Even at an elite program with the best recruiters it takes 2-3 yrs at least to completely turnover a roster. Due to idiocy on the side of UM and Rich, they cut him loose before he could get things cranking. It was a poor hire from the start. Rich is a fantastic coach and would've won big at UM, but due to his style of play there was too much roster turnover that needed to be made.
They then hired Hoke who had the same problem that Rich had. Had to completely turn the roster back over. But he left the roster with "on paper" top 10-15 talent......pro-style.
So Harbaugh has a top 10-15 roster that is in the style he needs. He will likely win 7-9 games in his first yr. He could easily be in double digits in yr 2 if he finds a QB. Not to mention he will likely recruit top 5-7 type classes.
For other programs in the BigTEN to "pass by" UM, they would have to surpass a century of elite tradition. If UM would've made a better (fit) hire instead of Rich Rod (or gave Rich another 1-2 yrs) they'd be top 10 ranked. Harbaugh will have them there really fast.
They hired Rich Rod who had to revamp the roster completely. Even at an elite program with the best recruiters it takes 2-3 yrs at least to completely turnover a roster. Due to idiocy on the side of UM and Rich, they cut him loose before he could get things cranking. It was a poor hire from the start. Rich is a fantastic coach and would've won big at UM, but due to his style of play there was too much roster turnover that needed to be made.
They then hired Hoke who had the same problem that Rich had. Had to completely turn the roster back over. But he left the roster with "on paper" top 10-15 talent......pro-style.
So Harbaugh has a top 10-15 roster that is in the style he needs. He will likely win 7-9 games in his first yr. He could easily be in double digits in yr 2 if he finds a QB. Not to mention he will likely recruit top 5-7 type classes.
For other programs in the BigTEN to "pass by" UM, they would have to surpass a century of elite tradition. If UM would've made a better (fit) hire instead of Rich Rod (or gave Rich another 1-2 yrs) they'd be top 10 ranked. Harbaugh will have them there really fast.
OK.....but at least for now, others APPEAR to have passed them by....at least to ME......time will tell!
I have said this in other places but IN the last 3 years several changes have happened in Ohio recruiting.
#1 OSU under Meyer has decided to recruit more speed from across the country and especially the South instead of loading up on Ohio kids. They still get most they want but are taking 10-12 per year now where in the past they took 16-18.
#2 Michigan has struggled to win games and has not had the appeal they once had.
#3 UK with team Morrow and Stoops really replaced Mich as the go to school for many Ohio kids not offered by OSU. They have done a great job at selling playing in the SEC and staying close to home.
The real question is what will JH do? Will he go after the Ohio kids or try to duplicate what Meyer is doing? I believe Mich will have a more difficult time recruiting the South. It is very cold up there and a long way from Florida.
#1 OSU under Meyer has decided to recruit more speed from across the country and especially the South instead of loading up on Ohio kids. They still get most they want but are taking 10-12 per year now where in the past they took 16-18.
#2 Michigan has struggled to win games and has not had the appeal they once had.
#3 UK with team Morrow and Stoops really replaced Mich as the go to school for many Ohio kids not offered by OSU. They have done a great job at selling playing in the SEC and staying close to home.
The real question is what will JH do? Will he go after the Ohio kids or try to duplicate what Meyer is doing? I believe Mich will have a more difficult time recruiting the South. It is very cold up there and a long way from Florida.
What will Harbaugh do? He doesn't have to change much. Michigan recruits about 1/2 to 2/3 of their players from the Midwest. A good portion of them are from Ohio. They'll recruit a good portion from out west.....they've always done well in states like California or Texas. Occasionally they'll dip into the South.
They do recruit nationally for sure but as you said mostly from the Midwest.....as far as CA and TX, on their 2014 roster, I counted one player from TX and two from CA.....maybe the others all graduated last year.....
UK on the other hand, had two from CA and 3 from TX......what were you saying about doing "more research?"
Just playing with you....couldn't resist.......
I just did a 2014 roster check Michigan football.... 10 players were on the roster from Detroit... I know nothing about the surrounding areas but would imagine there are plenty of other kids on the team from near Detroit... As we all know Detroit has taken a severe hit as a City due to its reliance on the automobile industry... They've lost money and have seen the population have to migrate to where the jobs are... The ship-rolls-downhill theory of economics has this effecting the State of Michigan as a whole... The drain on the population and financial health of the State I say has effected Michigan football... The arrival of Rich Rod. in 2008 coincided with the big bubble pop in the housing market... After 2008 Michigan football has been hurting big time and I think Harbaugh name will help kick start improvement at UM but there is no garantee he's the fix... He has many factors working against him and it looks like the UM nemisis, Ohio State is on the rise... I'd say that it very important to look at where and how UM has recruited since 2008 and for Harbaugh to... not go there again
Whatever they've been doing hasn't worked and I don't think it's been all about the coaching.... But as we see with Alabama the right guy at the right place at the right time, can make a BIG difference..... Maybe Harbaugh is that guy.... but maybe he ain't?
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