Uavel fans in a lather over the "new" freedom of movement rules
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"This way of calling the game will benefit teams with more talent and negates good defensive coaching. It is ridiculous."
Because when you are ALWAYS one of the teams with less talent, it's important to be able to foul at will to even up the odds. Let's call that "coaching" and proclaim Pitino to be one of the best at it.
Because when you are ALWAYS one of the teams with less talent, it's important to be able to foul at will to even up the odds. Let's call that "coaching" and proclaim Pitino to be one of the best at it.
It will make the game more fun and will let more skilled players thrive as well as the more talented ones. Maybe if ul recruited either skill or talent then they could benefit from fouls being called fouls.
They are torn up, because what success they have had, such as against Duke and Michigan, in their championship year, was solely because their karate defense allowed them to do what they wanted. They call it defense offsetting more talent. I call it hacking a better team, without getting half of them called, and winning undeservedly. They are upset because they know that Rick is not going to recruit the talent needed to win, under the current rules. Let them cry, while they become insignificant, under the shadow of the scandal.
They are mad because they are a hack and grab team, you saw how the new rules affected Duke, UL lives by this and they don't know how to play legit defense.
The hack, hold, grab, flop, invisible haymaker and hoe days are over Tards.
What kind of wuss fakes a blow to the head that missed by 2 feet? Only a Tard.
Has Wuss Jones jaw been unwired yet Tards?
What kind of wuss fakes a blow to the head that missed by 2 feet? Only a Tard.
Has Wuss Jones jaw been unwired yet Tards?
Wondered when it would dawn on them that the new rules might be a problem,if they ever play anyone who can play a lick they may not have enough players to finish the game
Look at Montrezzell in that gif. He flops too and he's 3 feet from the play.The hack, hold, grab, flop, invisible haymaker and hoe days are over Tards.
What kind of wuss fakes a blow to the head that missed by 2 feet? Only a Tard.
Has Wuss Jones jaw been unwired yet Tards?
Did Chris Jones ever fully recover? I'm still praying for him.
Haha! According to these UofL fans, "Good defensive coaching" = holding, grabbing, slapping, hacking, and fouling on every possession, knowing that the refs can't and won't call them all.
And it's no wonder these people are upset. They know the ONLY way the Cards have even HALF a chance to keep the game respectable in Rupp this year is if they're able use that same scorched earth approach to defense. Otherwise, the game is over before halftime.
Lil Brother stole a championship from Michigan with their karate defense.
Wait, is this a joke? Is it serious? I think youre serious but well, I....just...but...is it....Oh, schite. I give up. Not even going to try and figure this out anymore.
Jk, couldn't resist. Good post
Pitino a washed up ,syphilis infected,has been without his Hack Attack,he has not changed since the 90's with his game plan,with his lack of recruiting even with Whores for Recruits,and his inability to change with the times,much like Tubby Smith,the only way he can look successful is to beat up on far inferior teams.
You Reap What You Sow Cheating Little Brothel Fans,It's all coming back around.
You Reap What You Sow Cheating Little Brothel Fans,It's all coming back around.
Many of us have been saying this for years, usually in threads that come about around the middle to the end of the season because we get progressively tired of seeing it happen as the year goes on. Every bit of it is true. It's why they changed the rules ("or"tweaked" the rules, however you want to put it, since they really didn't "change" a single rule, just in saying it is now a "mandate for officials" to call it as it used to be...)
I've been mildly surprised they made this a reality, and many of us love that fact they did it. Perhaps younger college fans don't remember, but the game was still VERY physical years ago, but had this element of "freedom of movement" as well. Just go back and look at some games in the eighties (or before) and early nineties, you'll see what I mean. IMHO, it all started to change in the mid nineties and went on a steep decline after the turn of the century. The last 10-15 years has been a ghost-shell of the college basketball game that used to be so entertaining.
They will allow for physical contact on rebounds, where the players SHOULD be allowed to muscle and bump each other to get a free ball, they SHOULD allow that for all issues where free balls are concerned. What we have pointed out for YEARS was the hacking. grabbing, and slapping, once the player has established he has the ball as being AGAINST THE RULES. It always WAS against the rules, they just didn't call it. They're looking out for that as a part of freedom of movement, even though the real emphasis is when the offensive player has the ball (usually out on point, but whenever he has the ball and is making a movement with it, in regards to offense being run).
At any rate, I HOPE they will keep it up, and will make the call when the rebounding player has the ball and the hacking, grabbing, slapping player doesn't make a clean swipe of the ball and they call him for a foul. That's the way it SHOULD be called. Sure, the defensive player can attempt to make a play on the ball once the other player possesses it, but if one (or two or more) defensive players crowd him, and create too much (or make illegal contact, usually by creating contact with his arm(s) to force the ball away) contact, then blow the damn whistle and call the foul.
Sure, I'll be the first to say that some fans are going to be biased and see things the way they want to see them (i.e. - putting their own team in a positive light / positive spin) and will never change the way they view things. Although, that's not cool in my book (pathetic homer types) for those of us that truly love the sport, we rejoice at the promise of a much improved sport, where pure basketball talent is valued over vastly inferior basketball talent, and is allowed to be put on display.
I'm sorry for a long post, I could go on and on, but this is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. I've been getting more and more apathetic about college basketball (UK hoops and CBB is my favorite sport of them all) and I was losing hope it would go back to being a better entertainment product to consume. (you all know what I mean?)
Also, good for a 30 second clock ( it looks about perfect to me) and I also like the slightly expanded circle in the paint, too. These "what needs to be changed in college basketball threads" always had these elements in them, and now that we get to see them implemented, isn't it interesting at how right we we were?
And I love there is at least one less timeout (if I'm not mistaken) and I think with all the TV timeouts, there still needs to be less game breaks. The game slows to a crawl at the end (still) and the overall pace needs to be more continuous for us to stay positively engaged (casual college basketball fans need this most of all).
Before I go, I'll just say this :
Hey, I had a heard time adapting to the new board format, but I'm cool with change, I eventually - always - make my way into seeing the better side of things. If you can't do that in life, you might as well hang it up now before you get too old and conservative in your ways to accept change.
Sometimes, change really can be a good thing!
I've been mildly surprised they made this a reality, and many of us love that fact they did it. Perhaps younger college fans don't remember, but the game was still VERY physical years ago, but had this element of "freedom of movement" as well. Just go back and look at some games in the eighties (or before) and early nineties, you'll see what I mean. IMHO, it all started to change in the mid nineties and went on a steep decline after the turn of the century. The last 10-15 years has been a ghost-shell of the college basketball game that used to be so entertaining.
They will allow for physical contact on rebounds, where the players SHOULD be allowed to muscle and bump each other to get a free ball, they SHOULD allow that for all issues where free balls are concerned. What we have pointed out for YEARS was the hacking. grabbing, and slapping, once the player has established he has the ball as being AGAINST THE RULES. It always WAS against the rules, they just didn't call it. They're looking out for that as a part of freedom of movement, even though the real emphasis is when the offensive player has the ball (usually out on point, but whenever he has the ball and is making a movement with it, in regards to offense being run).
At any rate, I HOPE they will keep it up, and will make the call when the rebounding player has the ball and the hacking, grabbing, slapping player doesn't make a clean swipe of the ball and they call him for a foul. That's the way it SHOULD be called. Sure, the defensive player can attempt to make a play on the ball once the other player possesses it, but if one (or two or more) defensive players crowd him, and create too much (or make illegal contact, usually by creating contact with his arm(s) to force the ball away) contact, then blow the damn whistle and call the foul.
Sure, I'll be the first to say that some fans are going to be biased and see things the way they want to see them (i.e. - putting their own team in a positive light / positive spin) and will never change the way they view things. Although, that's not cool in my book (pathetic homer types) for those of us that truly love the sport, we rejoice at the promise of a much improved sport, where pure basketball talent is valued over vastly inferior basketball talent, and is allowed to be put on display.
I'm sorry for a long post, I could go on and on, but this is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. I've been getting more and more apathetic about college basketball (UK hoops and CBB is my favorite sport of them all) and I was losing hope it would go back to being a better entertainment product to consume. (you all know what I mean?)
Also, good for a 30 second clock ( it looks about perfect to me) and I also like the slightly expanded circle in the paint, too. These "what needs to be changed in college basketball threads" always had these elements in them, and now that we get to see them implemented, isn't it interesting at how right we we were?
And I love there is at least one less timeout (if I'm not mistaken) and I think with all the TV timeouts, there still needs to be less game breaks. The game slows to a crawl at the end (still) and the overall pace needs to be more continuous for us to stay positively engaged (casual college basketball fans need this most of all).
Before I go, I'll just say this :
Hey, I had a heard time adapting to the new board format, but I'm cool with change, I eventually - always - make my way into seeing the better side of things. If you can't do that in life, you might as well hang it up now before you get too old and conservative in your ways to accept change.
Sometimes, change really can be a good thing!
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I was telling some young guys at work about the old unlv, oklahoma, and loyola Marymount teams of the 80's and 90s. They scored in 100s often and we're fun to watch.
Pitino at UK was avg high 80's or 90's and we played agressive defense but we avg something like 27 fouls a game. At ul they play more physical but less agressive and get called for half the fouls.
He's doing what you have to when you can't beat somebody straight up.
Pitino at UK was avg high 80's or 90's and we played agressive defense but we avg something like 27 fouls a game. At ul they play more physical but less agressive and get called for half the fouls.
He's doing what you have to when you can't beat somebody straight up.
totally agree and your second paragraph is spot on. the change will ultimately be a good thing, if, the refs continue to concentrate on the new rule, and do not gradually revert back like they have done in the past when enforcing new rules.
Pitino's biggest innovation was to jostle the dribbler with hips and legs while running alongside him. As near as I can see, that was it: the secret of his press. I imagine that UL's defense will continue that since the emphasis is on hands.
For the record, I hated it while he was here. It's Defense by Reputation. The same thing that has enabled the Duke Flop.
For the record, I hated it while he was here. It's Defense by Reputation. The same thing that has enabled the Duke Flop.
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