So proud of Tubby.A good Christian man..Congratulations Coach Smith..Will be Presented in Los Angeles in April..
Tubby Smith honored with Wooden Legends in Coaching Award
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At some point we need to bring Tubby back and honor him. That is something we need to have closure on. To put things right. Especially in light of what Pitino has descended into. We should be proud of Tubby.
"At some point we need to bring Tubby back and honor him. That is something we need to have closure on. To put things right. Especially in light of what Pitino has descended into. We should be proud of Tubby."
It would only cast kentucky in a negative light, that's what those advocating for a jersey in the rafters want. The whole country turned on us after uk fans expected more out of tubby, it was a good story for the egg suckin dogs at espn. It was pc junk, but it is what it is.
It would only cast kentucky in a negative light, that's what those advocating for a jersey in the rafters want. The whole country turned on us after uk fans expected more out of tubby, it was a good story for the egg suckin dogs at espn. It was pc junk, but it is what it is.
Tubby hung a banner and kept us out of trouble. The optics of him in front of a full house cheering him lustily would be great PR and heal a few wounds. Particularly since we want something to take the attention off Pitino's name up there. Needs to be when Tubby is retired, though. Not while he is an active coach somewhere.
I'll Always respect and be somewhat of a fan of Tubby for winning a title. I do agree with him Needing to move on When He did. The man just couldn't recruit the way you have to recruit to be Kentucky's coach. I know from talking with a lot of Kentucky fans Bringing up Tubby Smith is never a smooth conversation. Non UK fans will cry racist, but that just wasn't the case. It's all about the wins/losses, not color. When you know you can do better, you go out and you do better. That is the reason our basketball program is as great as it is.
"would be great PR"
would be GREAT pr alright! Kentucky fans would be admitting to racism, and tubby's poor player management(transfer,transfer, transfer,transfer,transfer, transfer,transfer,transfer,transfer,transfer,transfer!!! are one in the same with poor player development, poor graduation rates, for four year players!, poor strategic coaching( except that 1st year when he didn't call a timeout because the other coach didn't have one, GENIUS! The absolote stuff of LEGEND!!!! One final four in all his years of coaching. Is that " with pitino's experienced players" that you make fun of ever going to sink in you self righteous ignorant wannabe heroes, losers and TRUE racists.
That crap is why Billy G is in or headed to a mental institution, and why cal has aged 20 years in 5.
would be GREAT pr alright! Kentucky fans would be admitting to racism, and tubby's poor player management(transfer,transfer, transfer,transfer,transfer, transfer,transfer,transfer,transfer,transfer,transfer!!! are one in the same with poor player development, poor graduation rates, for four year players!, poor strategic coaching( except that 1st year when he didn't call a timeout because the other coach didn't have one, GENIUS! The absolote stuff of LEGEND!!!! One final four in all his years of coaching. Is that " with pitino's experienced players" that you make fun of ever going to sink in you self righteous ignorant wannabe heroes, losers and TRUE racists.
That crap is why Billy G is in or headed to a mental institution, and why cal has aged 20 years in 5.
From 98 through 05 Tubby did a good job. His tournament seeding and win percentage back that up.
He wasn't made for this position, but he wasn't the failure some pretend he was.
He deserves to be in the rafters and it would be nice if we'd show the class that he always has, and please save me the played out bullet points.
He wasn't made for this position, but he wasn't the failure some pretend he was.
He deserves to be in the rafters and it would be nice if we'd show the class that he always has, and please save me the played out bullet points.
Congrats to Tubby on the award. I supported the hell out of him and his teams while he was here. I also felt relief for him and the fanbase when he left. It was clearly time for a change.
I look at the Tubby in the Rafter question in a pretty straightforward way: Rupp, Hall and Pitino are up there. They guided a team to the championship. Tubby guided a team to a championship. He belongs for that reason alone. Cal deserves to be up there when he is done for the same reason.
Hell, if you asked Mr. Keightley if Tubby should be up there, I'm real damn confident that his response would be to laugh and say "Well he deserves to be up there a hell of a lot more than I do!" Who am I to argue with Mr. Wildcat?!?
I look at the Tubby in the Rafter question in a pretty straightforward way: Rupp, Hall and Pitino are up there. They guided a team to the championship. Tubby guided a team to a championship. He belongs for that reason alone. Cal deserves to be up there when he is done for the same reason.
Hell, if you asked Mr. Keightley if Tubby should be up there, I'm real damn confident that his response would be to laugh and say "Well he deserves to be up there a hell of a lot more than I do!" Who am I to argue with Mr. Wildcat?!?
Mox, thanks. You've convinced me. Tubby must go into the rafters. It's an imperative! Not because of any achievement as a basketball coach, many as those might be. He must go there because it would piss you off so bad that yourself and a few others would keep the rest of us entertained for at least a decade. No matter how bad things got with the cats, we could just create a thread with 'ubby' in the title for comic relief. The T would be optional. Then endless pages of dull thudding horse beating would commence. There is entertainment value in watching someone beat the horse and then whine about the flies. If the Louisvile thread stalls out before 100 pages, the statement 'Tubby didn't hire hookers' will do the trick.
I can hear it now. Tubby loses another recruit to the Yum Center and Pitino's harlot emporium. What's that noise? Mox beating the dead horse or a Louisville recruit having desert. Hard to tell sometimes.
IMO Kentucky basketball is great because Cal came to Kentucky. Want does play a small part, but there are other factors. When Cal leaves we will once again be only as good as the coach who replaces him, nothing more. Four years of Sutton and twelve years of Tubby/Billy show that Kentucky is not always great. We will always have a good chance of being great because of the attractiveness of our tradition and our policy of paying top dollar, but factor in the person that makes the choice and it quickly becomes a gamble with dealer odds. And the dealer can lose. Kentucky is in one of it's greatest periods right now. Enjoy!
My opinion on Tubby is that he was a nice guy that thankfully walked out on us but wasn't a very good coach and we have no reason to bestow praise oh him. He's happy, we're happy and someone else is doing the praise. Let them do it.
Is Tubby the only coach who has won a title at UK and not be in the Rafters? Besides Calipari of course.
And Saul crosses half court with the ball and loses it, Gator get another easy lay up.. Almost caused me to stop watching basketball.....
Actually, Saul didn't turn the ball over very much. It was one thing you could say in his favor.
Of course, he really didn't do anything else with the ball besides not turning it over. But he was excellent at dribbling for 20 seconds while going nowhere, 40 feet away from the basket. That, and missing shots, as he has the worst career FG% of any UK player the last 50 years who played over 1000 minutes in his career.
Nice stat but not quite correct. Close though. Below are the lowest career FG% at UK with over 1000 minutes played.
Player Minutes FG%
Michael Porter 1427 34.76
Saul Smith 3106 35.92
Andrew Harrison 2261 37.19
Dale Brown 1494 37.64
Julius Mays 1090 37.65
J. P. Blevins 1333 37.7
John Adams 1087 38.81
Richie Farmer 2047 38.91
Michael Porter 1427 34.76
Saul Smith 3106 35.92
Andrew Harrison 2261 37.19
Dale Brown 1494 37.64
Julius Mays 1090 37.65
J. P. Blevins 1333 37.7
John Adams 1087 38.81
Richie Farmer 2047 38.91
Some of these players (Brown, Mays, Farmer) were primarily 3-point shooters so that didn't help.
Get over it..Saul never missed a game due to injury..He ranks in Top 15 UK All Time Steals and Assists Let it go..
When Tubby took the job in '97 the sting of the NCAA sanctions in the late 80's still lingered. I for one always appreciated that he continued to keep the program in compliance. That should be expected of course, but at UK it's particularly important. You know Tubby still has at least 3 ex-UK guys in the NBA. Two of those guys, Prince and Hayes, I would count as 2 of the best ever at UK. Tubby recruited and coached them both. I wouldn't be surprised if Prince is the next player to get his jersey in Rupp. If/when that happens maybe that would be a good time to invite Tubby back.
Damn, forgot about Porter. I just remembered that stat from the time Saul's career ended.
You're right that it should be let go, but don't try to defend Saul's (lack of) ability by pointing to career totals. He played over 3106 minutes at UK, which is only 58 minutes less than Tony Delk. So of course he had some decent career total stats in a few categories.
Saul probably was good enough to play at UK- as a limited role bench player. He was not anywhere near good enough to justify 3106 minutes of playing time. In fact, I would argue that the only major conference school at which he would have received 3106 minutes of PT was UK. And we all know why.
But it was what it was. He tried hard, and it wasn't his decision to play himself 3106 minutes. I'm sorry he received some poor treatment, but it was a situation that never should have happened in the first place.
Tubby had success early with someone else's players. Couldn't recruit, couldn't coach after that.
I can't support putting Tubby in the rafters when he ended up practically ruining UK basketball and made many long time fans almost quit watching.
I can't support putting Tubby in the rafters when he ended up practically ruining UK basketball and made many long time fans almost quit watching.
Also , even though the " program " might not have got in trouble , there were TONS of off court incidents with the players. You alluded to all the transfers. Not only was tubby to lazy to recruit, but he was a TERRIBLE program manager .
LOL , yeah if he had been injured we would have had to play Cliff Hawkins! The Horror !
Tubby didn't like AAU ball..George Felton was the Coach with AAU connections and when he left Tubby's recruiting went South I agree I know every player on 1998 team and they all say that Pitino could not have won with that team..Facts are Facts..UK Will retire a jersey for him.It's already in the Works I'm on that committee..and He will make the Hall of Fame..So move on.
Good to know they allow people of your obvious intelligence level on a committee that decides things like that. It certainly adds an aura of credibility to the procedure.
Yeah I'm calling Bull$hit on your " Listen to me , I'm somebody! " claims. But anyway
What is your excuse for the tubster when he had teams with great talent . The Jason Parker , Prince , Bogans teams , the Rondo , Crawford , Morris. , Bradley teams ? When tubster had talent tubster had team turmoils. THAT is why he wouldn't try to recruit at a high level . Let this sink in , AFTER 1998 IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT, TUBBY NEVER WON A GAME AGAINST A TEAM WITH ABOVE A 5 SEED !
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