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Trilly Donovan doxxed

Here's my take. For whatever it's worth. Background. I never LOVED Pope as a player. Never loved him as a coach. As a HS coach, I've LOVED his offenses and tried to use those concepts for 5+ years now. I'm not some fanboy, but I think the dude can really coach, especially offenses.

I don't think anyone could truly "hate" Pope. I think, on the surface, Pope seems like a very likeable guy. But I can totally see, if you get past the surface level stuff, the fake/two-faced/petty mentioned above. Why? Couple reasons. Not EVERYTHING is "super" or "awesome" or "wonderful" or whatever adjective he uses to describe literally everything. It becomes white noise after a while and seems extremely disingenuous. Secondly, there's a reason he and Pitino are so tight. And I know Rick's got that UK Grandpa thing going on now and we seem to have welcomed him back with open arms, but Rick Pitino is all of those things Mega mentioned in the above post. And much, much more. He's also one of my favorite coaches of all time, so this isn't some personal gripe. He's a snake, and we all know it. Does that mean I think Pope is a snake? Of course not, but I can see some of those qualities.

The "hate" probably exists from some of the paragraph above and a lot of thinking Pope wasn't winning enough. He won zero conference titles (regular season or tournament) and zero NCAAT games in five years there. BYU is accustomed to more than that. His replacement did more in one year than Pope did there in five.
I appreciate your sentiments, as mine are similar. It seems impossible to me NOT to "like" Mark Pope, but I agree he is very hyperbolic and effusive in his discussion about everything associated with the Kentucky basketball program. It may not be over the top, but it's close. As far as being a coach, he is certainly capable, but time will tell if he is a great coach here at Kentucky. I think he certainly can be, but do not know whether it will happen, especially in the current landscape of college basketball. It is a very difficult job, to say the least.

I will just say if you triple my salary and I follow a guy who became very unpopular, it would make sense to say all the right things. Stoops did it, when he first came to Kentucky, as an example. a new broom always sweeps clean and new coaches are happy for the opportunity and the money ... always saying the right things when hired on. But, much of what Pope says, just like it is for EVERY OTHER NEW COACH who takes a job, is expected and exaggerated. Here is a short piece on Pope when he took the BYU job. As expected, as all of us would do, he said all the right things.

It is hard to know how any coach REALLY feels about his situation, deep down. No doubt, Pope's excited to be the coach here.
 
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He won zero conference titles (regular season or tournament) and zero NCAAT games in five years there. BYU is accustomed to more than that. His replacement did more in one year than Pope did there in five.
BYU would win the conference when they were in the MWC, but they weren't winning the conference in the WCC with Gonzaga or St. Mary's or the Big 12. Sounds a little disingenuous to say Pope didn't win enough conference titles when he only coached them in the WCC and Big 12.

And I dont know how much they're really accustomed to winning NCAA tournament games. They've won a grand total of seven since 1990 before this year.
 
BYU would win the conference when they were in the MWC, but they weren't winning the conference in the WCC with Gonzaga or St. Mary's or the Big 12. Sounds a little disingenuous to say Pope didn't win enough conference titles when he only coached them in the WCC and Big 12.

And I dont know how much they're really accustomed to winning NCAA tournament games. They've won a grand total of seven since 1990 before this year.
I walked that back and said it was unfair, about the accustomed to part. The fact remains about titles and NCAAT wins. I'm not crapping on Pope or the job he did, merely offering what I think could easily be a line of thinking from their fanbase. And honestly, I think there's some fairness to them potentially wanting more. Like what was said earlier in the thread, I think all three teams are better in their current situations.

Those are, however, the same things I've said about Pope. Especially when we hired him. He squashed that doubt this year.
 
I appreciate your sentiments, as mine are similar. It seems impossible to me not to "like" Mark Pope, but I agree he is very hyperbolic and effusive in his discussion about everything associated with the Kentucky basketball program. It may not be over the top, but it's close.
As far as a coach, he is certainly a capable coach, but time will tell if he is a great coach here at Kentucky. I think he certainly can be, but do not know whether it will happen, especially in the current landscape of college basketball. It is a very difficult job, to say the least.

I will just say if you triple my salary and I follow a guy who became very unpopular, it would make sense to say all the right things. Stoops did it, when he first came to Kentucky, as an example. a new broom always sweeps clean and new coaches are happy for the opportunity and the money ... always saying the right things when hired on. But, much of what Pope says, just like it is for EVERY OTHER NEW COACH who takes a job, is expected and exxaggerated. Here is a short piece on Pope when he took the BYU job. As expected, as all of us would do, he said all the right things.
It is hard to know how any coach REALLY feels about his situation, deep down. No doubt, Pope is excited to be the coach here.
My sense is that for Pope, all of the effusive talk, all of the positivity, it's not just coach speak (as it would be, for example, coming from someone like Pitino). I believe Pope is committed by priniciple to gratitude and humility. He believes that those attributes are essential to happiness, and part of his being a Mormon, person, coach, and dad is to make those attributes his daily practice. I can see how the constant positivity might rub some people the wrong way or strike others as insincere. And I bet deep down, Pope has a very competitive spirit that he keeps under tight cork. (It may be that the committment to positivity is a compensation.) But there's a difference between just spouting what the media wants to hear and actually committing to your positivity because that's the person you want to be or become.

If Pope had tensions at BYU, I suspect it had little to do with his positivity and much more to do with the politics of running a program, but that's a WAG.

Whatever the case, I think it's bush league of Trilly to drag that dirty laundry out into the open. I haven't tracked down his comments, but I can't think of a good reason for him to do so. (Of course, there's always the possibility that our fanbase had a DefCon reaction to a pea-shot.)
 
My sense is that for Pope, all of the effusive talk, all of the positivity, it's not just coach speak (as it would be, for example, coming from someone like Pitino). I believe Pope is committed by priniciple to gratitude and humility. He believes that those attributes are essential to happiness, and part of his being a Mormon, person, coach, and dad is to make those attributes his daily practice. I can see how the constant positivity might rub some people the wrong way or strike others as insincere. And I bet deep down, Pope has a very competitive spirit that he keeps under tight cork. (It may be that the committment to positivity is a compensation.) But there's a difference between just spouting what the media wants to hear and actually committing to your positivity because that's the person you want to be or become.

If Pope had tensions at BYU, I suspect it had little to do with his positivity and much more to do with the politics of running a program, but that's a WAG.

Whatever the case, I think it's bush league of Trilly to drag that dirty laundry out into the open. I haven't tracked down his comments, but I can't think of a good reason for him to do so. (Of course, there's always the possibility that our fanbase had a DefCon reaction to a pea-shot.)

Trilly has come off as a clown from day 1. LOL at people actually paying for his info.
 
I’ve never cared much one way or the other about “Trilly”. I have no interest in paying money to read the basketball equivalent of a gossip rag, but if other people enjoy it, then fine.

However, I can’t imagine this is going to portray us in a positive light that our fans and apparently reporters too are actually trying to disrupt his life (assuming they do have the right person at all) just because one of his gossips was negative about our coach. That’s the kind of behavior that gives the rest of the country justification when they assume we’re all unhinged as a collective fanbase.
 
Yikes, man. Don't you ever call anybody a stalker after what you are doing here. smh

You don't know for sure that he's the same person and you and others are putting that real person in harms way. Despicable.
Yeah, that’s a bit dramatic. It’s been known and posted all over the Internet for months. This is not new news
 
BBN has two sides. The first one is the side that is extremely loyal and supportive. This is the BBN that shows up in Maui or some far flung NCAA tournament site and takes over. The other side is not good, and in fact worse than not good, and makes "ordinary" Kentucky fans look bad. And it was this side that tried to break the news of Trilly's real name (only to find out it was old news and previously debunked), which led to a presumably innocent bystander getting bombed - and harassed - on social media. Which was stupid.
 
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BYU is just pissed he left and took 2 players and the staff.

Also, billionaire Ryan Smith and Danny Ainge promised to fund whatever is needed if BYU hired pro asst Kevin Miller. Anything any amount.

Much more in the way of resources than Pope had as coach
 
I actually totally agree with all of this. I almost included in my post that I think all three programs are better off, in the weirdest way possible.

You're misinterpreting what I said. That was said completely in reference to the "fake" comments. That's all. I agree, it has nothing or next to nothing to do with winning actual games. I do, however, see where it can wear super (pun completely intended) thin for some folks. There's a big, big difference in "being positive" and being disingenuous. I'm not saying that is Pope, but I can completely see where some could draw that conclusion, especially after numerous years of the same type of thing.
Good points but not sure disengenious is the right take. There is a difference between faking positivty to be fake and using persistent positivity as a discipline to build a positive atmosphere in his program. Thats what I see him doing. He knows everything isnt always rosie and rainbows and isnt doing it to make you think more of him, he's doing it to build a positive atmosphere in the program and in his players I believe.
 
He is, as of today 318 for 329 on commitment predictions. The history is posted, updated daily, for anyone to see. I'll give you a hint: 318/329 is not "about half".
I’ll bet a number of those were changed last minute when the word was officially out before it was official. I know he has sources obviously but none of those guys are that percentage of their first predictions.
 
Every part of this sounds really dumb (a grown man hiding "insider info" behind an alias, KSR guys acting like 15 year old edgelords and using his real name/what they think is his real name, BYU being butthurt that Pope left for the only job he would've left them for, and even some of the replies in this thread conveniently leaving out that Pope left some good talent behind that Kevin Young benefited from in his first season while Pope's predecessor at UK only left him Travis Perry and he had to build an almost entirely new roster from scratch).
 
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Dumb move by Pilgrim. If trilly goes away, Pilgrim wont have anyone left to steal info from.
Whoever the KSR guys are getting their info from, they need new sources. They’ve basically become the guys from the old message boards who just say we’re in great shape, likely to get whomever we’re after, the. After someone else breaks that we won’t be getting them, say recruiting is fluid and no one can guess what these kids are thinking. Then when they’re right (which is easy when you know who we’re recruiting) and say we’re going to get everyone, stick there chest out. They’re hit rate over there is about 20%. I cancelled my membership because it’s obviously a scam like Maggard at this point.
 
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Good points but not sure disengenious is the right take. There is a difference between faking positivty to be fake and using persistent positivity as a discipline to build a positive atmosphere in his program. Thats what I see him doing. He knows everything isnt always rosie and rainbows and isnt doing it to make you think more of him, he's doing it to build a positive atmosphere in the program and in his players I believe.
I honestly don’t see the difference in “persistent” positivity and being disingenuous. Not EVERYTHING is super or awesome or whatever. You can speak positively and act positively without the superlatives. Again, I couldn’t care any less and it affects my view of Pope none. I just roll my eyes and chalk it up to that’s how he rolls. But I can see how it wears thin on some (BYU fan base), which was the point of the discussion. Personally, I have no issue with it. I just think it’s kinda funny really.
 
He is, as of today 318 for 329 on commitment predictions. The history is posted, updated daily, for anyone to see. I'll give you a hint: 318/329 is not "about half".

That seems anecdotally higher than anticipated. The random nil accounts are basically 100%.

I dont dispute trilly hears things. I just point put it isn't always accurate or long standing.
 
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I honestly don’t see the difference in “persistent” positivity and being disingenuous. Not EVERYTHING is super or awesome or whatever. You can speak positively and act positively without the superlatives. Again, I couldn’t care any less and it affects my view of Pope none. I just roll my eyes and chalk it up to that’s how he rolls. But I can see how it wears thin on some (BYU fan base), which was the point of the discussion. Personally, I have no issue with it. I just think it’s kinda funny really.
Think of it like this ….. Pete Rose was my favorite baseball player and he hustled all the time and even ran out his walks. That rubbed a lot of people the wrong way who thought he was just trying to get attention but Pete didn’t do it for that reason, he did it because that was his way of disciplining himself to go all out all the time. That’s not “disingenuous”, that’s a mindset. Disingenuous implies he’s doing it to deceive or for an illicit reason. I’m sure he has to work at keeping up that attitude when he doesn’t feel it himself but that’s not fake that’s a discipline to maintain that mindset not just for himself but to motivate others.
 
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Think of it like this ….. Pete Rose was my favorite baseball player and he hustled all the time and even ran out his walks. That rubbed a lot of people the wrong way who thought he was just trying to get attention but Pete didn’t do it for that reason, he did it because that was his way of disciplining himself to go all out all the time. That’s not “disingenuous”, that’s a mindset. Disingenuous implies he’s doing it to deceive or for an illicit reason. I’m sure he has to work at keeping up that attitude when he doesn’t feel it himself but that’s not fake that’s a discipline to maintain that mindset not just for himself but to motivate others.
There won’t ever be another one like Pete it’s a crying damn shame they didn’t let that man in the hall of fame before he passed! His baseball accomplishments no one will ever sniff!
 
Good points but not sure disengenious is the right take. There is a difference between faking positivty to be fake and using persistent positivity as a discipline to build a positive atmosphere in his program. Thats what I see him doing. He knows everything isnt always rosie and rainbows and isnt doing it to make you think more of him, he's doing it to build a positive atmosphere in the program and in his players I believe.

In an interview he said there’s been countless studies showing positivity results in a different part of the brain being turned on which results in players playing better during tense game situations. He’s literally doing it because he thinks it will cause us to win more.
 
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