Trevon Duval

[Crankdatmustard]

Watched an entire game on youtube of his team vs Shai Alexander's. Duval will fit in perfect and Duke. Has no idea how to play defense.

Watched ball handlers just drive by him at will with no attempt to stay in front of them or even give the notion that he wanted to try.

 

[BostonCat2001]

it will be another typical duke team. very poor defensively. allen, duval, trent, carter are all poor defenders. bolden i'll bet is foul prone. and no bench really.

 

[Deli owl]

Sounds like another one of Lavar Ball's kids.

 

[BlueBomb]

Yeah, but can he slap the floor? I mean sometimes when people slap the floor really hard and trash talk a bit it can be intimidating. Then if they push you down or trip you, it can be just as effective as "good defense."

So this is a complicated issue.

 

[jarms24]

Does he have flopping potential?

 

[wromanp7]

Yeah, but can he slap the floor? I mean sometimes when people slap the floor really hard and trash talk a bit it can be intimidating. Then if they push you down or trip you, it can be just as effective as "good defense."

So this is a complicated issue.

Please provide examples of what one may suspect the content of this trash talking to be.

 

[BostonCat2001]

i predict lots of back pain this year for coach k resulting in missed games

 

[Smashcat]

Yeah, but can he slap the floor?

 

[BlueBlood66]

Watched an entire game on youtube of his team vs Shai Alexander's. Duval will fit in perfect and Duke. Has no idea how to play defense.

Watched ball handlers just drive by him at will with no attempt to stay in front of them or even give the notion that he wanted to try.

Link?

 

[Cefiro]

It's a good thing he went to Duke......no way he would have qualified had he come to UK. He'll get the Duke treatment from the NCAA clearinghouse.

 

[GonzoCat90]

I think he'll end up a good defender. His issue in high school was his attitude and effort. It wasn't that he *couldn't* stay in front of those guys, it's that he didn't want to commit to doing so.

That said, the soap opera between he and Gracie will be fantastic to watch unfold. Frank Jackson might be the smartest kid in America.

 

[BBUK]

Please provide examples of what one may suspect the content of this trash talking to be.

"Look scuzz, get out of my face or I'll get the tripper to trip you or pecker check ur arse..."

(I know you didn't ask me but those came to mind...)

 

[BlueBomb]

Please provide examples of what one may suspect the content of this trash talking to be.

Dukie: "Yo mama is so poor, I saw her kickin' a can down the street, and I said what'cha doin? And she said, "Movin!"

Opponents: "Hey, don't talk about my mama."

Dukie: "That's what's knows as a burn on you, pal!"

 

[madison1329]

Watched an entire game on youtube of his team vs Shai Alexander's. Duval will fit in perfect and Duke. Has no idea how to play defense.

Watched ball handlers just drive by him at will with no attempt to stay in front of them or even give the notion that he wanted to try.

Congrats on watching one game. I watched Kevin Knox in the hoop Summit and he was terrible. I guess he sucks too since we put so much stock into 1 game. You rival @caneintally for the award of biggest homer on this board.

 

[Elijah55]

I think he'll end up a good defender. His issue in high school was his attitude and effort. It wasn't that he *couldn't* stay in front of those guys, it's that he didn't want to commit to doing so.

That said, the soap opera between he and Gracie will be fantastic to watch unfold. Frank Jackson might be the smartest kid in America.

If he is he must have grown a full brain since last year.

 

[DevilFan1989]

it will be another typical duke team. very poor defensively. allen, duval, trent, carter are all poor defenders. bolden i'll bet is foul prone. and no bench really.

Duke has more DPOYs than any college in history. What in the world are you talking about?

Tommy Amaker
Billy King
Grant Hill
Shane Battier
WoJo
Shelden Williams

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

I think he'll end up a good defender. His issue in high school was his attitude and effort. It wasn't that he *couldn't* stay in front of those guys, it's that he didn't want to commit to doing so.

That said, the soap opera between he and Gracie will be fantastic to watch unfold. Frank Jackson might be the smartest kid in America.

So, what makes you think he will improve that much at Duke? Didn't see much growth in Kennard or Allen in that area.

 

[~Keyser Soze~]

It's a good thing he went to Duke......no way he would have qualified had he come to UK. He'll get the Duke treatment from the NCAA clearinghouse.

Ive seen a lot of people talk about his academics but him getting eligible doesnt seem to be a concern for anyone at Duke or in the media. Where does this come from, why do you guys say he would struggle to get eligible?

 

[DevilFan1989]

Watched an entire game on youtube of his team vs Shai Alexander's. Duval will fit in perfect and Duke. Has no idea how to play defense.

Watched ball handlers just drive by him at will with no attempt to stay in front of them or even give the notion that he wanted to try.

I"ll trust Jonathon Givony's evaluation of Duval's defense more than your couch eye test thank you very much.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trevon-Duval-81776/
"-Outstanding potential defensively. Gets low, moves his feet and puts great pressure on the ball with his size, length and strength. Very impressive when he's focused, competing and working to lock down the opponent - " Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trevon-Duval-81776/ ©DraftExpress

Sounds like sometime he takes possessions off defensively but that's a focus issue and HOF coaches like K and Cal will correct that very quickly.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Duke has more DPOYs than any college in history. What in the world are you talking about?

Tommy Amaker
Billy King
Grant Hill
Shane Battier
WoJo
Shelden Williams

Going back a ways aren't you? In the last decade, Duke hasn't exactly been a defensive juggernaut.

 

[DevilFan1989]

it will be another typical duke team. very poor defensively. allen, duval, trent, carter are all poor defenders. bolden i'll bet is foul prone. and no bench really.

Carter is known to be a good defender in HS.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wendell-Carter-83183/
-Competitive and instinctual defensively. Gets in passing lanes, has timing for blocks. Covers ground. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wendell-Carter-83183/ ©DraftExpress

 

[BBUK]

I"ll trust Jonathon Givony's evaluation of Duval's defense more than your couch eye test thank you very much.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trevon-Duval-81776/
"-Outstanding potential defensively. Gets low, moves his feet and puts great pressure on the ball with his size, length and strength. Very impressive when he's focused, competing and working to lock down the opponent - " Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Trevon-Duval-81776/ ©DraftExpress

Sounds like sometime he takes possessions off defensively but that's a focus issue and HOF coaches like K and Cal will correct that very quickly.

Was that evaluation before or after he committed to Duke?

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Before. A month and a half ago, but he was considered a lock by then.

 

[DevilFan1989]

Going back a ways aren't you? In the last decade, Duke hasn't exactly been a defensive juggernaut.

KenPom Defensive Ranking
Duke 2007: #5
Duke 2008: #7
Duke 2010: #5
Duke 2011: #10
Duke 2015: #12

Duke's had a very good defensive team in about half of the years in the past decade.

It's tough to consistently elite defensively when you recruit so many OADs unless they have a special proclivity to playing great D due to their athleticism: MKG, Winslow, Davis, etc.

It takes a few years, especially for big men, to master defensive fundamentals and compete on that end of the floor.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Duke has more DPOYs than any college in history. What in the world are you talking about?

Tommy Amaker
Billy King
Grant Hill
Shane Battier
WoJo
Shelden Williams

You lost the argument when you listed Wojo.

The people who give out these awards must be morons.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Diary]

Watched an entire game on youtube of his team vs Shai Alexander's. Duval will fit in perfect and Duke. Has no idea how to play defense.

Watched ball handlers just drive by him at will with no attempt to stay in front of them or even give the notion that he wanted to try.

He will be the National Defensive Player of the Year then. It worked out that way for Wojo anyway.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

KenPom Defensive Ranking
Duke 2007: #5
Duke 2008: #7
Duke 2010: #5
Duke 2011: #10
Duke 2015: #12

Duke's had a very good defensive team in about half of the years in the past decade.

It's tough to consistently elite defensively when you recruit so many OADs unless they have a special proclivity to playing great D due to their athleticism: MKG, Winslow, Davis, etc.

It takes a few years, especially for big men, to master defensive fundamentals and compete on that end of the floor.

So, 4 yrs out of the last 10, they have been good. That's still more often than not, they aren't. They were 47th this past season. They let a team in the 90s offensively put up 88 on them.

 

[Nubb16]

Wojo showed his defensive prowess for sure when Wayne turner torched his ass over and over in 98

 

[GonzoCat90]

So, what makes you think he will improve that much at Duke? Didn't see much growth in Kennard or Allen in that area.

Well Duval's a tremendous athlete with great strength for a guard and very good lateral quickness, combined with good length. Allen and Kennard don't have those physical gifts.

Basically, he can be as good as he makes his mind up to be, or as good as his coach motivates him to be. We'll see to what extent he decides on those things, but he has all the tools.

 

[GonzoCat90]

If he is he must have grown a full brain since last year.

He was smart enough to get away from that time bomb before he became a 4-year player with no NBA stock.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Ive seen a lot of people talk about his academics but him getting eligible doesnt seem to be a concern for anyone at Duke or in the media. Where does this come from, why do you guys say he would struggle to get eligible?

He's been to three high schools in three years and spent one season at Advanced Prep, which is a fake school, basically.

He went to IMG Academy in hopes that their reputation would save him, but there's a reason Duke wanted nothing to do with him until the last minute when everyone else spurned them and the other schools in play were Seton Hall and Arizona.

 

[BlueBlood66]

He's been to three high schools in three years and spent one season at Advanced Prep, which is a fake school, basically.

He went to IMG Academy in hopes that their reputation would save him, but there's a reason Duke wanted nothing to do with him until the last minute when everyone else spurned them and the other schools in play were Seton Hall and Arizona.

Duke got involved with Duval as soon as he announced he was transferring from API to IMG.

 

[GonzoCat90]

Duke got involved with Duval as soon as he announced he was transferring from API to IMG.

Cautiously.

Duke really got involved with Duval when Quade Green chose Kentucky, Matt Coleman went to Texas and Colin Sexton went to Alabama.

But I'm sure one year at IMG fixed everything. That's how academics work.

 

[Dablueman]

Duke has more DPOYs than any college in history. What in the world are you talking about?

Tommy Amaker
Billy King
Grant Hill
Shane Battier
WoJo
Shelden Williams

Omg wojo! The greatest flop artist in the history of flopping til he got his ankles broke by Wayne turner and couldn't get in front of him to flop. When was the last one?

 

[stoneycat_20]

Duke has more DPOYs than any college in history. What in the world are you talking about?

Tommy Amaker
Billy King
Grant Hill
Shane Battier
WoJo
Shelden Williams

WoJo,,player of the year.lmfao...Turner says hi

 

[BlueBlood66]

Cautiously.

Duke really got involved with Duval when Quade Green chose Kentucky, Matt Coleman went to Texas and Colin Sexton went to Alabama.

But I'm sure one year at IMG fixed everything. That's how academics work.

I'll 100% give you Green on that one. Duke was always recruiting Duval whether they landed Coleman or not. And I don't remember much about Duke being involved with Sexton.

 

[DevilFan1989]

Duke never recruited Sexton.

 

[jarms24]

So, 4 yrs out of the last 10, they have been good. That's still more often than not, they aren't. They were 47th this past season. They let a team in the 90s offensively put up 88 on them.

65 in one half

 

[Jakarii]

Yeah I'll go with Giovany on husband scouting report after many games over one game, anyone with a clue would

 

[bucsrule8872]

In all seriousness, Duke is usually a decent defensive team. Their numbers are inflated a little by a friendly whistle (especially in ACC play), IMHO.

K teaches them to take charges even if there are no charges, which helps their numbers when refs fall for it. K is brilliant, he knows exactly how to play the game. He knows that if his kids hit the floor it forces the ref to make a call and with all the "respect" (or fear) the refs have for the GOAT, they don't want to tick him off and have their names blasted all over ESPN for making "bad calls" against the "King of College Basketball."

Duke fans can deny it all they want, but K has a clear advantage over every coach he faces off against because of this perception of him being the best. He is the Godfather of the sport. You don't speak against him.

If I was a Duke fan, I would love it. It's helped ya'll to three titles, IMHO. No shame in your coach using ever "legal" advantage he has to win games. K is extremely intelligent and is extremely influential. He controls the games through intimidation and manipulation. Many great leaders throughout history have done the same. Other coaches in other eras have done this as well. Rupp was just like K in the 50's and 60's.