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Travis Perry

Well before that. Thats why they shifted Chandler, who has an awful handle, into the pg position.



Thats a very valid point. From where i sit, that's damning because Perry is billed as an elite shooter. So no one should be above him, let alone a fellow freshman who has so many extra attributes and values.

Perry and Noah both play for us right? Pretty sure they were the final 2 participants in the team three point contest all the way back in October.

Maybe they are both elite shooters, and that’s ok? Maybe we haven’t nearly seen the best from either yet, as they were both making adjustments to the college game?

“Damning.” Hilarious. Relax, my brother in blue.
 
It's essential for our program to recruit some solid homegrown guys bc it provides continuity and depth. Those guys can develop into productive players while not necessarily scaring off potential recruits.

If they're going to offer 15 roster spots, a program like UK absolutely needs guys like Perry and Noah. They know how important this is to BBN and they'll stick around for the long haul.
 
Every Perry lover on this page is saying they don't believe in meritocracy. What's important is where you're from and other homegrown traits.
 
I’d say Oweh got a way worse whistle considering he had way more rim fouls opportunities that didn’t get called even with blood on his face.
Yeah that’s a good point. Oweh got called for some cheap fouls and got abused without a whistle in some games. I still would say from a percentage of attempts near the basket it might be Perry. I felt like Perry basically quit trying to get to the rim because he could never get a foul call.
 
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Every Perry lover on this page is saying they don't believe in meritocracy. What's important is where you're from and other homegrown traits.
False. I don’t care where someone is born. I respect the players that want to be here over anywhere else. If Trent Noah was from Beijing and loved wearing Kentucky across his chest, it’d be no different to me. You keep talking about meritocracy as though being the best player right now is the only reason to respect a player. The problem with that is that teams must retain players to stay elite. That means development —- some guys who aren’t as good today will be better tomorrow.
 
Just a reminder that Travis Perry did flash in SEC games this season. People on this board love to write this kid off but he's going to be a contributor.

For Travis Perry to make a major contribution to the UK team. It's plain & simple what he has to do. He has got to knock down open 3s when he gets them. He's like Cameron Mills when he played here. Mills couldn't defend, he wasn't fast enough to blow by his man and get to the basket & score or drop off a pass to an open teammate under the basket. But when he got open he could shoot the lights out. Perry has got to do the same. I mean for him to contribute he needs to shoot at least in the mid 40's or better from 3 point range. If he does this he can really help.
 
I'm team Perry and Noah redshirt.
I just don’t think you can do that without them bolting. If they don’t play meaningful minutes next year, I could see both of them strongly considering moving on. With the transfer portal, I think the days of guys waiting 2 or 3 years to play significant minutes is a thing of the past.
 
I just don’t think you can do that without them bolting. If they don’t play meaningful minutes next year, I could see both of them strongly considering moving on. With the transfer portal, I think the days of guys waiting 2 or 3 years to play significant minutes is a thing of the past.
I hate to say it, but I think you're probably right.
 
Cal has brainwashed a lot of people here. Travis is not a one and done freshman obviously but he's comparable to a lot of other Freshman that need developed. He could turn into a Grady Dick from Kansas a few years ago, or some of those hated Duke ass hats over the years that light the nets on fire their junior, senior year.
 
Forgive me for being rude, but to the people complaining and wringing their hands about Perry's speed and defense STFU. He was the 12th man this year, is going into next year as the 13th man, and hit big shots in big moments *this* year.

But apparently since he's not shooting like '16 Steph and defending like '97 Payton he needs to give up and sell insurance. These are also the same posters upset at Coach Pope that we can't stack three all-americans at every position or pay for a $20 million roster.
 
Cal has brainwashed a lot of people here. Travis is not a one and done freshman obviously but he's comparable to a lot of other Freshman that need developed. He could turn into a Grady Dick from Kansas a few years ago, or some of those hated Duke ass hats over the years that light the nets on fire their junior, senior year.
Yeah Cal didn't just ruin our standing in basketball he also ruined our fan base unfortunately.
 
I just don’t think you can do that without them bolting. If they don’t play meaningful minutes next year, I could see both of them strongly considering moving on. With the transfer portal, I think the days of guys waiting 2 or 3 years to play significant minutes is a thing of the past.
They know they are the 12th and 13th man on this team with very little playing time and they are staying. Its not going to be hard to convince die hard UK fans to redshirt so they get another year later where they can actually be in the rotation with a year of improvement especially when they are getting NIL to redshirt and probably more NIL than another team would offer them.
 
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Perry fan, but do we need another post boasting our 12th ish player bc hes from kentucky? He was our BIGGEST negative on the plus minus on the year by quite a bit actually, but other than that I do think he will improve, but he should not see the light of day off the bench for another year if we are being honest
 
I agree, but the hard part is that it might not come this year, and we really need to have another backup PG because I don't think we can roll with Perry (if Lowe gets injured) and expect to compete for a Final 4.

But I do agree, he has a bright future. And I expect some great performances.
To be fair, any team that loses their starting PG will have a hard time competing for a final four. Winning a title is always a combination of luck and skill, the luck first and foremost to avoid significant injuries.
 
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Cal has brainwashed a lot of people here. Travis is not a one and done freshman obviously but he's comparable to a lot of other Freshman that need developed. He could turn into a Grady Dick from Kansas a few years ago
This is such a bizarre comparison. Grady Dick was a one and done lottery pick who was excellent from his very first day at Kansas. He was not a player who “developed” over time there. And he was blessed with immensely greater physical gifts ..in terms of both athleticism and size …than Perry.

Other than the fact that both have white skin, I can’t imagine what made you think he was an apt comparative for Perry.
 
This is such a bizarre comparison. Grady Dick was a one and done lottery pick who was excellent from his very first day at Kansas. He was not a player who “developed” over time there. And he was blessed with immensely greater physical gifts ..in terms of both athleticism and size …than Perry.

Other than the fact that both have white skin, I can’t imagine what made you think he was an apt comparative for Perry.
Steven Ashworth is an apt comparison. No reason Perry can’t eventually be that good down the road imo.
 
To be fair, any team that loses their starting PG will have a hard time competing for a final four. Winning a title is always a combination of luck and skill, the luck first and foremost to avoid significant injuries.

Sure, but the difference is we actually lost TWO PGs with Kerr as well. So I guess what I really mean is, we can't have Perry be the backup. Now granted, maybe JJ can be our point. But we really dont know. Id really like to have a combo guard who can play the point in a pinch if we need.
 
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This is such a bizarre comparison. Grady Dick was a one and done lottery pick who was excellent from his very first day at Kansas. He was not a player who “developed” over time there. And he was blessed with immensely greater physical gifts ..in terms of both athleticism and size …than Perry.

Other than the fact that both have white skin, I can’t imagine what made you think he was an apt comparative for Perry.
Dude was also a McDonald's All-American and 6'6. Some fans are just foaming at the mouth to get the great white hope from the state.
 
False. I don’t care where someone is born. I respect the players that want to be here over anywhere else. If Trent Noah was from Beijing and loved wearing Kentucky across his chest, it’d be no different to me. You keep talking about meritocracy as though being the best player right now is the only reason to respect a player. The problem with that is that teams must retain players to stay elite. That means development —- some guys who aren’t as good today will be better tomorrow.
I actually care about things like speed, athleticism, length, can they get to the bucket and finish through contact, can they guard quick players, and shooting percentage in games, not three point contests., Perry is woeful on all those pesky statistics and measurables. Noah a bit better. Chandler better. So I don't believe the Perry lovers are just about anything other than where he was born and raised.
 
Steven Ashworth is an apt comparison. No reason Perry can’t eventually be that good down the road imo.
Well, I think there are a couple clear differences …at least from what I’ve seen. Ashworth definitely looks quicker to me. And Ashworth looks like more of a true point guard/distributor …whereas Perry looks like he’s far more comfortable playing on the wing than the point.

But that’s certainly a WAY better comparative than Grady Dick.
 
I actually care about things like speed, athleticism, length, can they get to the bucket and finish through contact, can they guard quick players, and shooting percentage in games, not three point contests., Perry is woeful on all those pesky statistics and measurables. Noah a bit better. Chandler better. So I don't believe the Perry lovers are just about anything other than where he was born and raised.

High school success didn't matter for 15 years. Same posters keep quoting Perry's HS successes as reasons he will do well here. You can't have it both ways.

I will say I think perry and Noah will stay due to NIL and being UK fans growing up so whether they contribute or not, they will stick around. I personally think Pope will keep recruiting over them, as he should as his job is to obtain the best players every season and win big.
 
in 301 minutes he had 18 assists and shot 32% from three "supposedly his biggest strength" that is why I cringe every time he checks in
What about the 58 minutes he played in two games against Bama with a total of 2 turnovers, while giving stats. Yes, he needs to improve in areas, why not be understanding, it's a major jump to College basketball. There are several in the portal that are quality player that had less than stellar stats their freshman year.
 
I actually care about things like speed, athleticism, length, can they get to the bucket and finish through contact, can they guard quick players, and shooting percentage in games, not three point contests., Perry is woeful on all those pesky statistics and measurables. Noah a bit better. Chandler better. So I don't believe the Perry lovers are just about anything other than where he was born and raised.
Think you’re making a blanket statement on the “Perry lovers” that is far too simplistic, my man. I care about all the things you said and do not care about him being from Kentucky, yet also support him. You can recognize speed, length, athleticism and so on are very important components to a player and yet also not expect literally every player to fill the same niche.

I bet, given your summary, you are over the moon for next year’s roster, given the fact that we have an abundance of players that meet your profile preference, right?
 
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What about the 58 minutes he played in two games against Bama with a total of 2 turnovers, while giving stats. Yes, he needs to improve in areas, why not be understanding, it's a major jump to College basketball. There are several in the portal that are quality player that had less than stellar stats their freshman year.
he played 35 minutes in the 2 games against Bama not 58 as you claim... 7 and 28.... the latter game Noah played 22 minutes....that was the game Pope threw in the towel early
 
Perry and Noah impressed me this season from what I was expecting from them. If we have them as seniors they will be really good imo. Chandler looked like me in middle school passing to the other team a lot because of nerves not because he wasn’t capable but by the end of the season he really turned it on. Noah always makes the right play and stays in the right spots. All three will be a beast as seniors when they have complete confidence.
 
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Perry fan, but do we need another post boasting our 12th ish player bc hes from kentucky? He was our BIGGEST negative on the plus minus on the year by quite a bit actually, but other than that I do think he will improve, but he should not see the light of day off the bench for another year if we are being honest

Well this was a positive thread compared to the previous ones I've seen. If he can turn into a sharp shooter off the bench then he turns into a valuable piece. I think we all understand the concerns but our expectations is starter level right at best right? If anyone expects more than that they are on some good stuff.

Kentucky has lost to a lot of Junior/Senior type players in the Cal era. No reason we can't have home grown type talent lead the way with a healthy mix.
 
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Well this was a positive thread compared to the previous ones I've seen. If he can turn into a sharp shooter off the bench then he turns into a valuable piece. I think we all understand the concerns but our expectations is starter level right at best right? If anyone expects more than that they are on some good stuff.

Kentucky has lost to a lot of Junior/Senior type players in the Cal era. No reason we can't have home grown type talent lead the way with a healthy mix.
Now if the top ten recruits all want to commit to us next year they are gonna have to find another school… I kid
 
Now if the top ten recruits all want to commit to us next year they are gonna have to find another school… I kid

I just don't think these guys will be valuable moving forward unless they are the elite talents. If a team can recruit upper class men and still land the stud freshman that is the best route to success. But if you can't it's a wasted roster spot.
 
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I would venture to say that a lot of us on this board grew up dreaming of being a Wildcat, so when we see a Kentucky kid actually have an opportunity to achieve that dream, we’re all rooting for him.

Perry is certainly no different in that regard, and I really hope he proves me wrong, but I’m not quite as bullish on him as a lot of you seem to be. His size is going to be a liability at any position except point guard in a league like the SEC, and he doesn’t have the ideal quickness and agility for a smaller guard either. Maybe he can work really hard and get a little better with his movement, but for the most part, that’s something you’re either born with or you’re not, so he’s probably always going to be at an athletic disadvantage.

That pretty much leaves him needing to have elite skills and IQ to contribute, and it’s just not there yet. He wasn’t really point guard in high school, and it showed, putting up more turnovers than assists this year. Maybe by his junior or senior season he can get enough experience to at least be steady enough that it’s worth giving him some minutes to hope he knocks down some 3s, but I wouldn’t say it’s a foregone conclusion. I don’t want to sound too harsh because I really di want all of our players to do well, but I just don’t see him ever being the kind of player at this level of college ball that he was in high school.
 
Sentimentality is for dating and family memories.

Issuing "warnings" or grievances to a group of people (message board posters aka FANS) who don't control a damn thing about who does/doesn't play is weird.

Perry is a big boy. He's got an advantage of being in the program with the Staff and knowing what is expected. He's contributed and has a chance to continue to do so. That being said-I don't care where someone is from or who they are when it comes to who plays for this program as long as that player produces and helps the team win. The roles were too much for both when they had to play more out of necessity. I don't blame them one bit-they did the best they could do but this was also the best conference in the country and in some time according to all the experts who analyze those things. So I think both can help the team and play larger roles in the future but if they don't and others take the minutes--fine by me as well. Just get the group on the court that can contend for championships and win the most games.
 
He’s a great shooter and solid ball handler. Needs to work on his passing and ability to finish at the rim. That being said I felt like he caught a bad whistle all season. Seamed like everytime he got clobbered at the rim they wouldn’t call a foul. But he has a ton of potential.
He was a great shooter and solid ball handler in high school, it remains to be seen weather that transfers to college? It certainly didn't this season from what I saw. He might indeed get better but relying on him for any significant contribution next year seems foolish to me
 
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