Towles Got Two Games...
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16/34 is the most telling stat which is poor accuracy, especially against ULL. I thought he stared down receivers and generally made some bad decisions. A couple that come to mind are: 1) rolling out and stepping out of bounds for a 4-5 yd. loss when he could have thrown the ball away, and 2) a completion that shouldn't have been thrown that almost got JoJo knocked out.
Patrick Towles critics are very shallow people and don't understand that ULL made adjustments in tghe 2nd half and Dawson and Stoops didn't adjust back. When the defenders stopped press coverage, we should have thrown passes to the Tight ends and try some swing passes. WE kept trying to throw into ULL strength and cause Patrick som frustrating throws, The SC game will show what I am talking about because we will run the ball more and have more sustained drives.
I think you have to give him more time but not A LOT more time. I think everyone agrees with Dawson's comment that 'accuracy can't be taught'. He's had plenty of time (plus two summers working out with QB gurus in the off season) to show if he can put the ball on the money consistently and he badly missed on some throws on Saturday. I hope he keeps the job and has a great career but he needs to start hitting his receivers.
saw where stoops made a comment about towles and said that he threw a couple over and then he probably over corrected and threw short and then he kinda got in his own head about it. couple people that get to see practices a lot have said that that was worst that they've seen him throw this year.
im sticking with dead legs for the team and i believe that goes for towles as well. tired legs and you start to over compensate with arm strength and that leads to poorly thrown balls. i'd say they take it easy this week and towles works a little on getting his confidence back and he'll be fine by saturday. the good thing is we do have a capable backup if it's necessary but i think all that talk is really premature.
im sticking with dead legs for the team and i believe that goes for towles as well. tired legs and you start to over compensate with arm strength and that leads to poorly thrown balls. i'd say they take it easy this week and towles works a little on getting his confidence back and he'll be fine by saturday. the good thing is we do have a capable backup if it's necessary but i think all that talk is really premature.
So what you are saying that second half's in effective offense was solely due to Dawson being outcoached?
So if Towles completes 60% of his passes with 7 TDs and 1 Int and we lose a couple close ones, you're saying we bench him? 22 positions on the team bud, if one guy doesn't do his job right, the play is busted. I can tell OP never played anything beyond flag football. Anyone who solely blames QB performance for the teams performance never played football. Towles made some bad throws and one terrible throw, it was the first game, let's get a bigger sample size before we go off the rails.
I agree. I think what we can hope for is the OLINE to grow together as a unit throughout the season. We are starting to get the horses, I am so excited about possibilities for the football team in the coming months and years under Stoops.
The team as a whole had a average performance against a pretty good team that is well coached. Expect things to look different from a offensive attack stand point on Saturday against the Gamecocks..I've got to believe that Dawson wasn't showing the real playbook against ULL realizing the next game on the schedule is way more important than the opener. I agree totally that Towles looked the same as he did during the final 6 games of last season but so did every other aspect of the team. Lets just hope that we can improve across the board from week to week and put ourselves in position to win some football games. I do like the talent on both sides of the ball just still very young and inexperienced.
The sample size after 2 more games would be 15 games.
If Towles puts up the kind of numbers you suggest then I'd say he would have proven himself to be the man. So no if your scenario plays out I would give him more time. I'd still consider splitting snaps though because as I said earlier we start 1-2 it's time to find out what we got in Barker.
Why the personal attack? When you can't argue your point without trying to discredit the person you disagree as opposed to making a point you show weakness my friend.
Towles is a square peg that coaches are trying to pound into a round hole. What outstanding qb qualities does he have except a strong arm?
He may not be the worst qb in the SEC but those other qbs are not used as we seem determined to use him. He's entering his fourth year and time has proven that an inaccurate arm, poor vision or reaction time trumps a strong arm.
Since, evidently, none of the others are better keep him as the starter, use his experience, have him hand the ball off and pass more sparingly.
Forget what opposing coaches and pundits say. They all gave the same sort of praise to Joker, Tubby Smith and Billy G. How did that turn out?
He may not be the worst qb in the SEC but those other qbs are not used as we seem determined to use him. He's entering his fourth year and time has proven that an inaccurate arm, poor vision or reaction time trumps a strong arm.
Since, evidently, none of the others are better keep him as the starter, use his experience, have him hand the ball off and pass more sparingly.
Forget what opposing coaches and pundits say. They all gave the same sort of praise to Joker, Tubby Smith and Billy G. How did that turn out?
Dumbest take of the season. By all means, be optimistic, but don't just make up crap. Towles is still an unknown, and given his time in the system, that's scary. His criticism is deserved. O-Line needs work, but I'm not going to sit here and say that its due to technique or strength/conditioning, because I don't know. But, to say that we held back to not show our hand to USCjr is ludicrous. We very nearly lost that game to a very solid ULL team. We weren't holding back jack.
I agree, the offensive line had a few breakdowns that led to a few negative plays, but generally I thought they gave Patrick an incredibly clean pocket and all day to throw. I had high hopes for Patrick this year, but he was missing badly on his throws all night without a defender anywhere near him. The critical interception he threw was terrible. He had his guy streaking down the middle of the field 5 yards behind the deepest defender. Patrick should have put the ball out in front of him and let him run under it (deep and toward the sideline). Instead he threw it short and behind him, allowing the defensive back to come underneath the receiver and make the pick. That just can't happen when he's got that much room to make the completion...and a 75 yard TD turns into a game-turning interception at midfield. Patrick has got to stop aiming the ball and just let her rip...seems like he's inside his own head too much.
When PT is off, he appears to be having trouble processing his reads or just plain missing them. He then holds the ball too long so the timing is off and it looks like he spraying the ball everywhere.
Far from an unknown, inconsistent maybe but he's had several very good games for us and I'm not going to let a bad 2nd half take away from his 195 QB rating in the first half.
You don't know what you're talking about.... We led by a lot of points at the half... How did we get them... The first play of the game of a run by Boom... Then some long bombs down the field... We didn't have any time eating drives... Not until the game was in doubt, then we drove the ball... That is the first time in the game that we had to show anything... I don't think you know much about football, so I wouldn't call anyone out...
I completely agree. They are trying to force Towles into being something he isn't. He doesn't have vision, can't make reads, and gets very nervous. Still inaccurate a lot of the time.
True but didn't Matt Jones says that he would be a 1st round draft pick after his junior season. According to him, Towles won't be back.
LOL, you make it seem like Towles tore it up last year and got killed by his receivers.
They all need to be better. The WR's showed up on Saturday. Towles showed up for a half.
It's way too early to panic. Towles is the starter all year, barring injury. Benching him for Barker, who has never stepped on the field in any meaningful way, against an SEC schedule, would be admitting failure.
If we go 1-3 in September, any and all panic buttons will likely be hit and I think there's a decent shot we see a change at QB ... and probably a host of positions (e.g., linebacker).
Short of that, hard to see us making a change.
Short of that, hard to see us making a change.
One sack was because they overloaded the right side and no audible was made by Toth or Towles for coverage. Towles held the ball too long on at least one of the remaining 2 sacks. The OL was solid in pass pro.
I am a Towles fan, and I am glad that we won, and I certainly agree that it's ridiculous to call for him to be replaced, but we won our first game against a Sun Belt team with four straight 9 win seasons, and four straight bowl wins, and a team that has exactly 0 wins against anyone of import. I have taken my share of jabs at teams like Louisville and Cincinnati for their joke 9+ win seasons against joke competition, and I am not going to pretend like we just beat some powerhouse when they manage 9 win seasons against competition that makes Louisville and UC look like they have played the NFL by comparison. ULL is a well-coached team and they deserve credit for their performance. UK won and they were expected to win (17 point favorite) and I am very relieved that they did.
That's a nice post ^^
Perspective says that if we'd have stomped a mud hole in ULL, there would be some fans saying we were going to roll the SEC East, and that wouldn't be any more accurate than those think the season is suddenly over with one game in the books....or that the book is written on Towles or any one of our players after one game.
I'm not advising or telling anyone else what to do, this is me stepping back from the ULL game and trying to start looking forward to the SEC.
Perspective says that if we'd have stomped a mud hole in ULL, there would be some fans saying we were going to roll the SEC East, and that wouldn't be any more accurate than those think the season is suddenly over with one game in the books....or that the book is written on Towles or any one of our players after one game.
I'm not advising or telling anyone else what to do, this is me stepping back from the ULL game and trying to start looking forward to the SEC.
We saw the whole playbook. No disrespect towards you but we were grasping at straws when things started getting tight. There was no holding back. Hopefully we do well on Saturday.
I don`t know about the play the cards thing, I say you get those cards out and play them, how else you gonna improve on something if you don`t use it?
Ok, Gary, don't get your panties in a wad. You are making an assumption and I'm making an argument against it. I know enough about the game to realize that you don't "hide the playbook" unless you are already blowing someone out, or you have no faith in your offense/QB to execute. IF it happened, it would have had to have been the latter, and not the prior, as we weren't in a position to "hide the playbook" until we were up 34-7, which was late in the 3rd quarter. We all know what happened shortly after that though. So, even if we did not show all of the playbook, I highly doubt it was because they felt we had the game firmly in hand.
No, our play book says that we should pass long down the field on every play.... Dawson, said that he should have done more to keep the defense off the field, but he couldn't pass up opportunities like they were giving us... We showed that we could move the ball methodical when we had too.... We needed a score and eat some time, so that's what we done...
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Actually, I made my point. You're the one who feels like you know better than the coaches. If Barker was the better QB, then he would be the one playing, is that point clear enough for you bud?
Not looking forward to how these discussions work against Patrick after our first SEC road game this weekend. Not getting my hopes up, just hoping he can stay protected and we can be competitive - play well - for four quarters. Worst thing that can happen is for Patrick to get hurt. Even staunchest Barker advocates will go fetal position if that happens, and we'll all be asking how Sindelar got out of the state. Fact is Patrick is working harder than anybody and his line needs to step it up for league play, receivers too.
i would agree that most of towles misses are from holding the ball too long. he seems to pat the ball 1 too many times and then the guy is past where he was throwing to. i dont think its an accuracy thing its just timing and he apparently does well in practice so chalk this up to a bad game.
i should add that i think part of the problem is that he is reading the D better. for all the talk of staring down receivers i saw one pass in particular that the guy was wide open but he went from right to left back to right and then the guy was too far down field. he'll get better just have some damn faith people.
i should add that i think part of the problem is that he is reading the D better. for all the talk of staring down receivers i saw one pass in particular that the guy was wide open but he went from right to left back to right and then the guy was too far down field. he'll get better just have some damn faith people.
didn't i tell you that bonnafon wouldn't end his career at ul at the qb position and that towles was the better qb? so since your boy you were touting as the next russel wilson isn't even 3rd string anymore how bout you stay out of our qb discussions!
It's a team sport and we can't blame it all on the qb, Towles is a serviceable qb and if our defense was better we wouldn't hear half the complaints. We need to try and lean more on the run and posess the ball for longer periods of time to give the d more rest and take more pressure off the qb. We have three good rb's, we should use them.
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