To prove he's the man. If we start 1-2 it's time to start building for the future.
Towles Got Two Games...
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We are building towards the future and he's part of it.
The last time I personally saw Drew Barker he was getting picked off and beaten by South Oldham HS. If you can't carve up South Oldham I'm sure, like Patrick, he will need to evolve and be given time before beating SEC defenses.
The last time I personally saw Drew Barker he was getting picked off and beaten by South Oldham HS. If you can't carve up South Oldham I'm sure, like Patrick, he will need to evolve and be given time before beating SEC defenses.
Towles is the man until he ain't the man no more. Did it worry me last night seeing Towles over throw and under throw wide open receivers? Yes. Did it trouble me seeing him STILL completely stare down his man time after time? Absolutely. BUT....we got the win, he threw three touchdown passes and could have had 4-5 and we got the win. Wait until after the South Carolina game to judge.
I still believe we go into SC and get the victory. Our guys will watch film and hopefully the young defensive players will see their mistakes and correct their assignments. Our offense put up 40 last night while taking the third and fourth quarters off against a 4 year straight 9 win and a bowl win every year WELL COACHED team.
We are still good to go and this week will show it. Go CATS! Read my signature....
I still believe we go into SC and get the victory. Our guys will watch film and hopefully the young defensive players will see their mistakes and correct their assignments. Our offense put up 40 last night while taking the third and fourth quarters off against a 4 year straight 9 win and a bowl win every year WELL COACHED team.
We are still good to go and this week will show it. Go CATS! Read my signature....
If the O-line keeps playing as poorly as they did in game one everyone who wants Drew Barker in will get their wish. If ULL can sack the QB multiple times, just imagine how many sacks SEC defenses are going to get.
It figures, in 2014 we had the QB but not enough recievers. In 2015, we've finally got quality WR's and our QB disappears?
Patrick has confidence issues, I get it... but if this keeps up through the EKU game it might be time to start bringing Barker into the mix. We can't have our leader doubting himself when we're trying to earn an bowl bid.
Patrick has confidence issues, I get it... but if this keeps up through the EKU game it might be time to start bringing Barker into the mix. We can't have our leader doubting himself when we're trying to earn an bowl bid.
I'll never understand why the QB is the first person people blame. The problems for UK football (in order of importance) are: 1) defense 2) o-line 3) might be qb play. But, if the o-line problems are corrected, I think the qb play will improve as well.
The OL played well in pass protection for most of the night. An offensive lineman's biggest asset is that he knows what's coming and the other guy is reading and reacting within a framework, preferably so conditioned that it's more instinct than thinking, but still he's conditioned with a decision tree. When you become one-dimensional, that gets a whole lot easier on the defender. When UK failed to execute power run, they become pretty one-dimensional. When they only threw vertical, even more so. If you watch replay, you'll see that some of that run failure wasn't just OL. I thought they should have had more surge, but some of the outside runs were blown up by failures of WRs to execute blocks.
What we lacked last night in OL can be very easily corrected. And they probably graded out better than you'd think just by watching live action.
What we lacked last night in OL can be very easily corrected. And they probably graded out better than you'd think just by watching live action.
I must have watched a different game. QB play was much worse than O-line play. Defense was pretty awful, but IF the QB (and the interior O-line) play halfway decent, this game is out of reach by halftime. QB accuracy is a major problem. Freddie Maggard said this team will only go as far as its QB takes them and, if it ain't any better than last night, UK will go 3 - 9 for the season. O-line issues can be corrected much easier than QB accuracy issues. Shannon Dawson had a quote about either having it or not having it.
Maybe you were watching a different game. O-line play did contribute to poor QB play (like it always does), but the O-line was the worst unit on offense. If a QB is anticipating he is getting ready to get the daylights knocked out of him, he generally becomes less accurate. Perhaps that would explain why Towles played pretty well in the first half, but after a few sacks QB play got worse.
It depends on the philosophy of the discussion. As a devils advocate, I can say that the QB was holding on to the ball for an extended period of time due to lack of confidence therefore causing the TFL and Sacks... Decision making has a lot to do with sacks along with a competent (incompetent for that matter) offensive line and blitz pickups IMO.
According to who? You? I don't see you taking a big check to the bank... You sound more like someone who would like to split the fans up.... If we win, then I don't expect to see you around....
34 messages and I bet they're all pretty well like this one.... Just see how many trolls like him...
So you're saying the offensive line was solely responsible for the poor QB play? I can see that. Maybe Toth is supposed to tell Towles where, when and how hard to throw the ball on each play.
No, but it's quite possible after a touch down on the first play, and our receivers were open long all day long, that we didn't show much to USC.... Until we had to have that TD to win....
I'm not giving up on Towles after one bad game. However, I think it's ludicrous to claim Towles was blameless for his poor play (and I know you aren't one of the posters taking that stance). Even Towles blamed himself for playing poorly in the second half. Apparently, he was just covering for the O-line.
This team made a lot of mistakes in the opener that can and will get corrected. The linebackers are the weakest part of the team, but should improve by the end of the year. The missed assignments are teaching opportunities for the coaches and the players that are #allin will work hard to reduce those mistakes.
As for my concern about QB play, you don't have to listen to me. Maybe you find Freddie Maggard more credible? Here's what he had to say on the subject after the game:
"— QB Patrick Towles finished the night 16-34, 3 TD’s and 1 INT. As a stated goal, 62% was deemed necessary to efficiently execute the offense. 47% is unacceptable. However, at certain times of the game, Patrick completed passes that confirmed his assumed status as an NFL prospect. There were also lapses. At a minimum, 21 points were left on the field due to inaccurate vertical pass incompletions. The errant throws were both over and under thrown in crucial moments of the game. With Shannon Dawson’s emphasis to go vertical, this has to progress. During a period of the second half, Towles appeared unconfident. Believed and projected to be beyond that, much more was expected from the junior quarterback. Much more is required from the junior quarterback. Kentucky’s 1st down efficiency faltered. Too many 2nd and long situations limited the offense’s likelihood of extending drives. Another must improve prior to visiting the Head Ball Coach."
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/football-2/the-boom-the-dud-and-the-win/
Or perhaps you might believe it if Shannon Dawson (who coaches Towles on a daily basis and should know a heck of a lot more than any of us fans) says accuracy can't be taught?
"So what are some of the things Dawson is looking for with his own eyes?
“You have to be able to throw the ball accurately,” he said. “Period. That’s No. 1. I don’t care if you can throw it 70 yards or 55. The leading passer in I-AA history could throw it about 50 — the guy I had. So, you got to be able to have a great release and throw the ball accurately. That’s different — a lot of quarterback coaches will tell you, ‘We want to get a kid that looks this way, and I’ll teach him how to throw.’ I’ve never taught a kid to throw accurately. You either have it or you don’t. There’s other things you can teach them. You can program them your way, but you’ve got to throw it accurately.'"
Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/07/31/3968789/if-you-want-to-play-for-kentuckys.html#storylink=cpy
"So what are some of the things Dawson is looking for with his own eyes?
“You have to be able to throw the ball accurately,” he said. “Period. That’s No. 1. I don’t care if you can throw it 70 yards or 55. The leading passer in I-AA history could throw it about 50 — the guy I had. So, you got to be able to have a great release and throw the ball accurately. That’s different — a lot of quarterback coaches will tell you, ‘We want to get a kid that looks this way, and I’ll teach him how to throw.’ I’ve never taught a kid to throw accurately. You either have it or you don’t. There’s other things you can teach them. You can program them your way, but you’ve got to throw it accurately.'"
Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2015/07/31/3968789/if-you-want-to-play-for-kentuckys.html#storylink=cpy
250 yds 3 TDs and 1 pick is solid.
Sure Towles needs to up his compleion rate a bit but geez UK won.
Sure Towles needs to up his compleion rate a bit but geez UK won.
Yes and it kept sailing over our wide open WR hands by 4-5 yards or worse 4-5 yards behind them.
3 sacks. I don't know how many TFL, I only recall 1. I don't think that hurts my argument that the "OL played well in pass protection for most of the night". I think you are looking to take exception where there is (at best) little. If it's your plan to be down on this team, be my guest. It doesn't impact me in the least bit.
If you got a different opinion that's fine but I've been saying this since last year. Towles is not the QB for this system.
When you are playing a spread offense you got 3-5 secs to get rid of the ball, no matter how good the line is. You have at most six blockers on any given play which means if there's 7 blitzing the QB has to know where to go with that ball ASAP. It also means if an o-lineman gets beat there's no help so once again the QB has to get rid of the ball ASAP.
It's the scheme. It requires quick accurate passes to relieve the pressure on the QB. It's a square peg in a round hole with PT IMO. The kid has a cannon but holds the ball and is inconsistent with his accuracy.
If we start out 1-2 what do we have to lose by starting Barker.
Also, Stoops is the one who said he wanted to give Barker snaps. If the coach is wanting to give the backup some game time looks it's because he has some doubts in the starter.
Call me a troll, whatever. You guys want to think this board has an influence on the fan base as a whole are placing too much importance on what you have to say. Less than 5% of fans look at this board and fewer than that comment on it.
When you are playing a spread offense you got 3-5 secs to get rid of the ball, no matter how good the line is. You have at most six blockers on any given play which means if there's 7 blitzing the QB has to know where to go with that ball ASAP. It also means if an o-lineman gets beat there's no help so once again the QB has to get rid of the ball ASAP.
It's the scheme. It requires quick accurate passes to relieve the pressure on the QB. It's a square peg in a round hole with PT IMO. The kid has a cannon but holds the ball and is inconsistent with his accuracy.
If we start out 1-2 what do we have to lose by starting Barker.
Also, Stoops is the one who said he wanted to give Barker snaps. If the coach is wanting to give the backup some game time looks it's because he has some doubts in the starter.
Call me a troll, whatever. You guys want to think this board has an influence on the fan base as a whole are placing too much importance on what you have to say. Less than 5% of fans look at this board and fewer than that comment on it.
And two of those 3 sacks were coverage sacks/could have been avoided by a throwaway.
Towles not only has had 3 years in the system and 1 whole season as a starter but he has had the best quarterback coach that money can buy . Despite all this , I don't see one iota of improvement . In fact he has regressed . The kid has all the NFL measurables , but it appears he has none of the intangibles . Does Drew Barker ? I don't know , but if Towles is our best " playmaking quarterback on GAMEDAY " not practice , we won't have the year we were hoping for . Cause this defense is going to give up points .
You make a good point on the quickness of decision making and release. I saw an old highlight of Couch v Bama and even now I was just amazed at how quick he made a read and let the ball go.
You have to wonder how good Couch could have been as a pro if he'd been drafted by a team that had an o-line. He never got to show what he could do.
3 sacks is a lot. Particularly against a non-power 5 school. You can probably expect to double that (at least) for SEC schools. Think there were 8 TFL. I'm not down on the team I just think Towles is getting too much of the blame when other units had equally worrisome issues.
Nope not saying that at all. I'm saying it was a contributing factor. Like everything in football, it's all about the team and how they play together. Some of the accuracy problems were on Towles, some was on the O-line.
Towles had a bad half. It happens...in the college ranks and the NFL. Nice to see some UK "fans" completely giving up on a guy that Stoops and Dawson have placed their confidence in. I'm not quite ready to kick him under the bus.
Yes and many of those 250 yds in completions were because his WR's bailed him out by coming back to the ball in order to make a play on it, in other words they made him look good on many of those passes. Don't get me wrong, he had a few beauties in there too......but 47% completion rate against SEC opponents will not work, it barely did against a Sun Belt team.
Completely agree that it's a combination of things. That's why it can't all be laid on Towles or on the o-line, but that O-line looked pretty bad against a non power 5 school which is scary.
It just seems to me that as soon as they break huddle, Pat is giving away where or who the play is going to, I don`t mean just a little but a lot. He showed some really good things but I can`t get that part out of my head, it just seemed so obvious.
Of course, the flip side to that is this...........
If Towles can't carve up Louisiana Lafayette then he can't beat SEC defenses either.
Ok I get how what I am saying may be easy to call as an overreaction. Thing is, I have been saying this since last year. PTs struggles aren't a one time occurrence.
So before you per yourself just answer me two questions:
1. What would PT have to do/how many losses would there need to be before you consider trying Barker?
2. If the team starts 1-2 the probability of a bowl will be slim, so what would be lost by at minimum splitting reps to see what you got in Barker?
How upset would you be if we get to the end of the year and Stoops finally puts Barker in and Barker proceeds to light it up?
Also, if I was riding the pine behind a underperforming QB on a losing team I'd be considering a transfer.
I agree. Its the ultimate team sport. But, QB has always, and will always get disproportionately blamed and praised. Not much we can do about that. I hope he is lights out next week. His play Saturday, all of it, can't be what got him the job. So there is reason to hope. I am not one of these yahoos calling for him to be benched after one bad half, though I do want Barker to get snaps.
Just so its on record I said give the kid three weeks to show he's the answer. Not on half, not one game, three weeks.
Because in three weeks we will have a pretty damn good idea of how long this season will last.
Because in three weeks we will have a pretty damn good idea of how long this season will last.
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