Well, I'm sure it is no surprise to you, but I'm surprised that Carr earned 14 points. I just didn't notice him being that productive. Nothing spectacular just solid play so much so that I was thinking he only scored about 8.
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Lol cmon guys, he was talking about that stretch there when we went 2-13, he's right. A top 25 team will make us pay for that.
That's how his stats are going to go all year - solid performance that you don't realize until later when you look at the box score.
Do you realize that the adjusted field goal percentage on 3’s is 52% and overall is 63%. No offense, but that is pretty good shooting and I get your point about Robinson being the only one who shot an acceptable percentage and skewed the numbers.
The point I want to make is, it does’t matter how you get to 35% from 3, it is still an adjusted rate of 52%. That is good shooting, especially when you combine that with an insane 75% from within the arc. That will win you most games, as long as you don’t allow the other team to shoot a higher percentage from three at a high number of attempts.
I think Pope is going to be more worried about how they let the other team shoot at a 39% clip from three on a good number of attempts.
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Agreed whole-heartedly. I'm extremely happy with where things are, while also being realistic (in my mind) about expectations.
Yeah, I get it. That's just why +/-, especially for an individual player in a one game sample size, just isn't a great measure of performance.
To be fair, there's been less than 40 seasons of the 3 pt line in college. The 22nd best team would rank in the bottom half, if your numbers are accurate.
Good point. I think this team will average above 35% from deep with plenty of room to spare. Should be a top 10 level 3pt shooting team. If we have weaknesses, they will be more centered around rebounding, defense, and/or turnovers.
We will have off shooting nights, but our averages will be solid.
Agreed, I think they'll shoot it very well. They will need to, as I agree with your concerns on defense and rebounding. I'm curious what happens when teams are athletic enough to run them off the line too. I'm excited about everything that lies ahead, but also pretty nervous about it too. Which is in stark contrast to the last few seasons where I was just growing tired of the same stale approach.
The basketball will move faster than any player, so as long as there is a lot more passing than dribbling in the half court, it will be hard to get us off the line.
And our best 3 point shooters were cold against MSt; this team will shoot closer to 40% than 35%. We're certainly not always going to shoot 75% from 2 point range but we'll shoot a lot better than 35% sometimes. I know I'd take last night's offensive efficiency any game.
Some of you need to look at each player’s line instead of the team stat.
Robinson scorched the nets, the rest of the team did not.
That happens against good competition and we are beat.
Not bashing the team, just stating what I observed.
Robinson bailed us out last night. No one else shot the ball well from 3, which is what I was talking about.
Robinson was 8-12 from 3.
Everyone else was 5-25 from 3.
Robinson scorched the nets, the rest of the team did not.
That happens against good competition and we are beat.
Not bashing the team, just stating what I observed.
Robinson bailed us out last night. No one else shot the ball well from 3, which is what I was talking about.
Robinson was 8-12 from 3.
Everyone else was 5-25 from 3.
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Agreed. I honestly thought, especially the first half, the whole team played and looked bad. Heck, even Jaxson had three turnovers in the first 10 possessions or so. Just looked sloppy. To be expected. That’s why exhibition games exist and it’s 12 totally new dudes learning their roles and/or trying to impress enough to change them. A lot of people surprised/excited about Garrisons offense. When I see him I think he forces too much offense. I’ll be interested to see how much of that remains come Monday when stuff counts.
Are you worried about our three point shooting? The averages indicate we have an abundance of competent shooters.
It’s one game. If Robinson doesn’t take his 12 3s then other guys would have and we don’t know what happens with that counterfactual. Some games will be like this where we feed the hot hand. Robinson won’t take this many every night. I think guys like Brea, Carr, Oweh, Almonor, Kriisa, and even Butler will fill the void with good percentages when we need it. Are we capable of having an off night shooting as a team? Of course. But I don’t think we need to worry about this as much as the rest of the field because we are lucky to have plenty of makers on this team.
We might not see another game all year where Robinson takes 11 three points shots and we know Brea is a very good shooter even though he was cold. We hit 75% of our two point shots and 35% of our threes; even if our 2 point percentage is 20% lower, that doesn't equal a loss with any kind of defense. Also, 35% equals 35% no matter how it's made up and 35% is what Pope's less talented BYU team shot last year. For this UK team it might be a below average shooting game. This team is also making less turnovers than we're causing, so I'm very pleased with what the team has shown so far. But we'll know a little more after the 1st real game.
Dude, you are over analyzing my statement.
I simply said that if we play a really good team and shoot like this (sans Robinson), we get beat.
if we come out against Duke and only one guy can hit the broad side of a barn, they will beat the brakes off of us.
Doesn’t mean I think that will happen.
Doesn’t mean I expect that to happen.
It’s a simple observation.
The only guy with a decent percentage from 3 last night was Robinson.
We won’t beat good teams if we shoot like that.
This was against a D2 team with 6’6-6’7 big men.
They were in the game until we took it to them inside. That is what won the game for us. Butler and Oweh taking it to the rim. Carr and Garrison just being too big and athletic for their frontcourt to handle.
We play Duke in less than two weeks. Are you confident that we can get to the rim against their defense, if the 3 ball is not falling?
In the SEC, if we have a cold shooting night, can we get to the rim at will against that level of competition?
It’s just a simple observation, you can disagree, but you don’t seem to get what I am saying and are making assumptions.
I shouldn’t be surprised, I’ve been on this board for 20 years, people get all tore up about the silliest things on here.
No, you don’t understand how statistics work. It doesn’t matter iif one or all contribute to an effective shooting percentage of 63%. As long as we are not letting them shoot a higher percentage in 3’s than we do, we will be fine, all other things being close to equal. Every person is going to have an off night. As long as collectively we shoot a higher 3 pt percentage than the opponent, we will do well. Work on defending the 3. We have too many shooters to go below 35% on any long term basis.
Hey man . Have you watched the new series on Netflix about the Zodiac?
No, but I'm about 95% sure who the zodiac was.
Mike Morford is who I trust.
Who are they saying it is?
Morf says William McDuff Andrew.
You don’t seem to understand that the level of competition affects the game as well.
Just because something works against one team doesn’t mean it will against better teams.
A cold shooting night from 3 could doom us against a team with a strong interior defense.
Driving the ball or posting up may work against D2 competition, but might not work so well in the SEC.
There might be nights when we get cold and Butler and Oweh can’t get to the rim because the other team has the size and athleticism to keep us out of the lane.
Last night we could post up their 6’6 post players, but Garrison and Carr might not be as effective against 6’10+ guys in the SEC.
And better teams will be able to neutralize the hot hand. So if we only have one guy shooting it well, good teams can take that away.
Some people on here are expecting this team to be this unstoppable 3 point shooting machine, but we were not last night and if/when we go cold again, we are going to lose when we face better competition.
That is all I am saying. I am not disputing statistics or logic or anything.
If we shoot like we did in the first half against a good team, we probably get beat.
That’s all I am saying.
Interesting take . So let’s discount the best players performance on other teams and see how they do .
Well the show is centered on Leigh Allen and his family. Pretty interesting. It’s not a movie , it has interviews with members of the Seawater family.
That guy is the most guilty seeming guy to be innocent I've ever seen. None of the evidence points to him.
Mac, Andrew was a prison guard guarding. Charles Manson. The zodiac was guarding Manson. At least he worked at a prison where Manson was. Mac was quite a bit younger than what they were looking for.
Seems like some some pretty compelling evidence on this Netflix thing. Curious what you’d think about it. If you watch it let me know what you think.
I don't mean this as a shot at you at all, just using your post as an example. But...
I find it amusing how so many people said, "KY is a good team but they don't have a "dude" (God I hate that word now) that can go get a bucket when the team needs it. Well, we showed that we clearly have that guy, and now we see posts saying basically, "you relied on a dude to get baskets and that will cost you games." The irony makes me chuckle.
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We have a lot of people who have a habit/hobby of looking in every nook and cranny for the negative.
35% was pretty much BYU’s average from 3 last year. Plenty of games above and below that percentage. In fact, they only shot about 33% in conference play. But the offense was still very very good. Why? Because they led the conference in shooting from 2.
😂 I’m not “tore up”. Just trying to understand why your posts had chicken little vibes simply because everyone on our team didn’t shoot exactly 35% from the 3pt line.
Your premise that if only 1 person shoots the three well means we lose is weak in my opinion. I mean the accountant at Oakland just proved that one guy can beat you last March. It’s happened plenty before. I don’t see that I made assumptions, but I did ask you a follow up question, which is reasonable because your posts didn’t provide much detail.
I do think we can get to the rim against Duke because they will have to respect our shooting prowess and we have ways other than dribble driving to get to the rim, though I think we have guys who can penetrate against good competition too.
I’m not worried about our 3 point shooting or our offense in general.
Anyway I think we can both agree on this: let’s go give Duke a beatdown on 11/12!
Leave it to Rafters to get bent out of shape about a simple statement.
LOL!
Seriously, I love this place and all of you guys because you care so much that you take stuff and just run with it.
I hope I am wrong, but I see us taking an L at some point because we shoot ourselves out of a game.
Good discussion.
I hope you guys are completely right and I have to eat crow.
LOL!
Seriously, I love this place and all of you guys because you care so much that you take stuff and just run with it.
I hope I am wrong, but I see us taking an L at some point because we shoot ourselves out of a game.
Good discussion.
I hope you guys are completely right and I have to eat crow.
So you bump it after a one off game? Beating what will probably be a .500 Louisville team. Bold strategy Cotton. I’ll stand by it. Especially with this SEC. If Butler is the best player, our Cats are going to struggle. But, and hang with me here b/c it really seems like you’ve got an axe to grind, if Lamont Butler isn’t on the court this team will really struggle as well. Probably a tough concept for someone who uses a career game against an average opponent to prove some sort of point, but read slowly and maybe you’ll be able to digest it.
It would be hard for me to say who is the “best player “ but it’s not unreasonable for someone to think Butler is the “most valuable “ player.
I think this is reasonably accurate. Problem is, that big comeback against the Zags came without Butler. This team is so beautifully random. My one big worry is, nobody knows who the go to dude is. But hey, the other team is part of the nobody as well. It’s an interesting dynamic.
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