Tom Crean - "we lost kids when money changed hands." Wondering who that's about....
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Capel was underwhelming at Oklahoma as well, although he brought in highly-ranked recruiting classes. It really depends on what the Duke money folks value. With Collins or Wojo you get what appears to be decent Xs and Os guys. With Capel, you get an elite recruiter who is known for his successful forms of brutality on the recruiting trail.
I think they go with the recruiting prodigy due to insecurity, especially if UNC wins it all this year. There’s a sense now – thanks to Calipari and Kentucky – that the best way to do it is the OAD way. Capel will offer at least the promise of continuing Duke’s elite recruiting (the reality will feature a substantial drop-off in all aspects of Duke basketball).
Very good point - and I think it's an extremely safe bet that there's a serious and severe falloff at Duke after K leaves. It's odd to think such an elite program could be defined by one guy - but we've seen it before. UCLA after Wooden. Indiana after Knight. That's Duke's future. Among the elites, Duke doesn't have the same kind of fan base as Carolina, Indiana, Kansas or Kentucky. At those schools, basketball is ingrained in the culture, it's in the DNA. Like a religion. That's important, it's like a force multiplier. Duke's fan base is spread out, among more affluent enclaves. It's not religion for those types (for better and worse). In that way, Duke is more like UCLA. Duke won't disappear, just like the Bruins didn't. But UCLA hasn't been elite since March 1975. That is Duke's fate after K.
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I would say he's still butthurt about losing Trey Lyle's. That's exactly who he's talking about.
He may be talking about Zeller. That's if he is actually telling the truth.
If you are unwilling to name the names, don't mention it. Everyone knows money is handed out. There is little in the way to prove it because it is done out of sight.
For any coach to say this means he knows first hand about it. So either spill the news, to the media, NCAA, or write a book. The other option is to keep it for the grave.
Not how it works. If a coach talks, he will find it very tough to get a job in the field. He will be sabotaged by other coaches on the recruiting trail.
He didn't say UK you're just assuming. We all know it goes on though I figured everyone does it.
I have always assumed Chris Collins was #1 in line for the Duke job. He is the most talented of the that coaching tree, in my opinion. Has the most name recognition and just took NORTHWESTERN to the NCAA.
Collins makes the most sense to me, but no matter who they hire, they are going to take a monumental hit like never seen before in my lifetime. Coach K is Duke at this point. Without him, they drop to the level of a Notre Dame or Virginia type of team at best. A team that makes the tourney most every year that has a very slim chance of making the F4 and almost no chance of ever winning the a championship.
Almost like how it was with Tubby at UK. I expect Duke to drop to a similar level immediately after Coach K hangs it up.
I feel the same way about Louisville and Pitino too. Without Pitino, unless they hit a home run hire for a coach (not going to happen), they are going to STRUGGLE. With all of the damage done to UL over the last few years, Pitino is the one and only reason for any recruit to want to play there or anyone else to be associated with that program (AAU programs, shoe companies, etc.). Once he is taken out of the equation, I fully expect them to string together 20 loss seasons like when Crean first took over at IU without the NCAA penalties to blame it on. In the ACC, there are so many teams that are strong each year that no matter how easy their non conference schedule is, UL will become the equivalent of Clemson or Virginia Tech. Wake Forest or Georgia Tech if they are lucky.
Collins makes the most sense to me, but no matter who they hire, they are going to take a monumental hit like never seen before in my lifetime. Coach K is Duke at this point. Without him, they drop to the level of a Notre Dame or Virginia type of team at best. A team that makes the tourney most every year that has a very slim chance of making the F4 and almost no chance of ever winning the a championship.
Almost like how it was with Tubby at UK. I expect Duke to drop to a similar level immediately after Coach K hangs it up.
I feel the same way about Louisville and Pitino too. Without Pitino, unless they hit a home run hire for a coach (not going to happen), they are going to STRUGGLE. With all of the damage done to UL over the last few years, Pitino is the one and only reason for any recruit to want to play there or anyone else to be associated with that program (AAU programs, shoe companies, etc.). Once he is taken out of the equation, I fully expect them to string together 20 loss seasons like when Crean first took over at IU without the NCAA penalties to blame it on. In the ACC, there are so many teams that are strong each year that no matter how easy their non conference schedule is, UL will become the equivalent of Clemson or Virginia Tech. Wake Forest or Georgia Tech if they are lucky.
I doubt it was Teague as IU was never really involved with him. Most programs didn't bother once Pitino hired his coach.
And I doubt he'd insinuate that about Lyles because Crean and Cal are still really close.
I'm thinking Jaquan Lyle, or Trevon Bluett possibly?
And I doubt he'd insinuate that about Lyles because Crean and Cal are still really close.
I'm thinking Jaquan Lyle, or Trevon Bluett possibly?
Fulmer definitely did. If you want to get into a fist fight with an Alabama fan, just call Fulmer an angel. The guy was afraid to cross into Alabama at one point for fear of being subpoenaed. The NCAA as admitted as much when they've stated they often don't investigate unless they have a complaint. This was their defense when they got the knickers in a twist over Cal's 500th win. Somebody "ratted" him out. Dunno if we ever found out the accuser. KY as an institution has no right to face its accuser.
He did but he was an assistant coach at Iowa back in the day, he recorded a convo with a recruit named Deon Thomas about Illinois offering him $80k and a brand new car. He got Illinois on probation for that, I believe.
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Are there child molesters in Indiana? Yes. Does Tom Crean live in Indiana? Yes.
Didn't he get into trouble at OK? As a matter of a fact didn't Dawkins and maybe another former Duke player/asst coach get in trouble with the NCAA? That tells me they are learning things at Duke that they either don't have the name to get away with or they just don't do it as well as Coach Holier Than Thou.
quin snyder is the best coach associated with krzyzewski imo. been away from the program a long time, though
mike white is the duke AD's son. that would make sense
collins is a prick, even by duke standards
mike white is the duke AD's son. that would make sense
collins is a prick, even by duke standards
Mike Brey is K's best protege imo.
Jury still out on Collins but he just did something no Coach has ever done at Northwestern. Got them into the NCAA Tournament for the first time.
Snyder ran into problems at Missouri. Dawkins at Stanford. Capel oversaw some shady recruiting at OU. K's coaching tree has some rotten branches, to be sure.
I didn't know they were from Indiana. So, K got all 3 Plumlees and Zeller away from Crean huh? Interesting.
Good call on their part. It worked out for all of them.
DId you watch Capel when he coached them this year? Night and day officiating in Cameron without K. Can't wait. Duke fans are going to be so confused.
Just like the Bulls didn't skip a beat when they replaced Jordan/Pippen with Mercer/Artest.
