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Tom Crean - "we lost kids when money changed hands." Wondering who that's about....

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just listened to Seth Davis' interview with Crean. I know people here don't like him, but - while I never thought he was a great coach - Crean always seemed like a good guy. Anyway, I don't want to make too much of this, it was just an aside, Crean didn't emphasize it and Davis didn't even acknowledge it. But it does stand out a little, and makes me wonder which recruits and which schools he's talking about. Here are his words - not exact, but very close:

"Did we miss some Indiana kids? Yes.
Did we miss some Indiana kids that just wanted to go to a different school? Yes
Did we miss on some Indiana kids because money changed hands, and things got done for people on the inside? Absolutely."
 
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It's such a bitter thing to say. There is no way that a program would find out that another program gave money to someone they were recruiting and sit back and do nothing about. Absolutely no way. The moment a program found out that money exchanged hands and they lossed that recruit, a call would be made to the NCAA. Don't buy it for one second.
 
OK, Who you talking about Lyles, Teague was illegally visited by Crean at his HS, he illegally visited the kid who went to Mich. St. the PG/combo
Mich. St, UK, Purdue, all got kids from Indiana that IU recruited. Hmmm
Sounds like Bruce Weber, plant a story to newspaper cry because you are a weirdo and recruits didn't want to play for you.
 
It's such a bitter thing to say. There is no way that a program would find out that another program gave money to someone they were recruiting and sit back and do nothing about. Absolutely no way. The moment a program found out that money exchanged hands and they lossed that recruit, a call would be made to the NCAA. Don't buy it for one second.


You are fooling yourself...these guys would never rat each other out, for anything. That will get you black-balled.

And if they called NCAA, they would need proof. Programs are pretty good at hiding things and funneling money. It 10000% happens, without question.
 
You are fooling yourself...these guys would never rat each other out, for anything. That will get you black-balled.

And if they called NCAA, they would need proof. Programs are pretty good at hiding things and funneling money. It 10000% happens, without question.

Then you don't broach the issue to begin with. If you can't give specifics to back up claims that explosive, it's better left unsaid. Bush league move by Crean, but hardly unexpected.
 
It's such a bitter thing to say. There is no way that a program would find out that another program gave money to someone they were recruiting and sit back and do nothing about. Absolutely no way. The moment a program found out that money exchanged hands and they lossed that recruit, a call would be made to the NCAA. Don't buy it for one second.
Yeah, if you're gonna make accusations, name names and back it up with proof. Otherwise, just stfu!
 
OK, Who you talking about Lyles, Teague was illegally visited by Crean at his HS, he illegally visited the kid who went to Mich. St. the PG/combo
Mich. St, UK, Purdue, all got kids from Indiana that IU recruited. Hmmm
Sounds like Bruce Weber, plant a story to newspaper cry because you are a weirdo and recruits didn't want to play for you.
Anybody who wanted a talented Indiana kid get could get one. Most recent example is pure shooter Kyle Guy at UVA, who came out and said he wouldn't play for Clappy. Sour grapes!
 
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I have talked with Louisville fans who take it as an article of faith that Cal does this. The Harrison twins wanted $80,000, which is why Rick stopped recruiting them, so they went to Kentucky. Etc. I am inclined to believe this sort of thing probably goes on. But I think it likely goes on at lower profile schools, schools which likely wouldn't be able to get the 5 star kid otherwise, schools where the coach is under extreme pressure to produce and is failing. I don't tend to believe Calipari does it. 2 reasons:

1. He doesn't have to. He's had 28 kids drafted in 7 years at Kentucky, including 14 lottery picks. For better or worse, realistic or not, every kid he gets thinks he's going to be a millionaire by the ajune after his freshman year. That's the "payoff."

2. Let's be honest. Maybe more than any other coach, Cal has detractors, enemies even. He actually cultivates that, IMO, he thrives on that disrespect and negative energy. (Or at least used to, he seems to be mellowing). If any coach was going to get ratted out, it would be ours. And nothing.
 
Anybody who wanted a talented Indiana kid get could get one. Most recent example is pure shooter Kyle Guy at UVA, who came out and said he wouldn't play for Clappy. Sour grapes!
i always knew UVA was paying kids [winking]

i agree Crean is just mad because he got fired
 
You are fooling yourself...these guys would never rat each other out, for anything. That will get you black-balled.

And if they called NCAA, they would need proof. Programs are pretty good at hiding things and funneling money. It 10000% happens, without question.

Didn't Bruce Pearl do this? I known the women's game does this as Tennessee called the NCAA over some stuff and it's why they stopped playing UConn.
 
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I have no idea why players wouldn't want to play for Crean
 
The problem with his statement is that they lost so many Indiana kids you couldn't possible narrow it down to who he's talking about.

Besides, Indiana of all places should be required to just sit down and accept it when it comes to other places cheating to get recruits.
 
I bet Crean could pass a Polygraph stating he lost recruits to money...because he believes it.
I bet Crean can't name one documented time it happened...because he has no proof.

That's how it is when your ship is sinking. You deflect guilt by blaming everyone else, regardless of the facts.
 
Why is anyone assuming Crean was talking about us. Alot of people forget he and Cal are friends and have been for years. All that about the series stopping was posturing. We had nothing to gain from keeping the series going
 
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Why is anyone assuming Crean was talking about us. Alot of people forget he and Cal are friends and have been for years. All that about the series stopping was posturing. We had nothing to gain from keeping the series going
Was just going to post that. It was a bush league thing to say, but I don't think it was directed at Kentucky. Cal and Crean are buddies.
 
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Why is anyone assuming Crean was talking about us. Alot of people forget he and Cal are friends and have been for years. All that about the series stopping was posturing. We had nothing to gain from keeping the series going

I don't see where many people read it as him taking shots at us, just that taking those shots in general is reckless and comes across as bitter and weak.
 
Reality is about to pummell Crean in the face when his next job is much lower tier or even an assistant somewhere. Couldn't happen to a bigger POS. His sore loser act with the blow by handshakes is dispicable. Another reason to barely watch the Final 4 is because CBS hired that idiot to be a part of their shows.
 
Meanwhile, Indiana still hasn't been to a Final Four since the early 1990s.

In fact, anytime I get sad at the end of a UK tournament run, I think of Indiana fans, and my perspective suddenly blossoms.

EDIT: I forgot about the '02 run. My apologies to Hoosier Nation. I didn't mean to disrespect your one Final Four in 26 years of play.
 
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It's the IU way. All they talk about is us paying players. Weirdos.

They do. Had a distant relation (wife's uncle, lives in Whoosier land) call immediately after the "UK paid 200K for Anthony Davis" bullsh!t article came out. He was all-in on that one, right away. Giving me the "AH HA! I KNEW IT!" rant. [laughing]
 
Wasn't IU tied to that shadiness at some AAU Hope program thing or something while Crean was coaching there?


Absolutely, and DeAndre Liggins was caught up with these shady people:


Mark Adams - Head of AAU Indiana Elite and A-HOPE (African Youth Opportunities & Education for overseas players coming to USA).

Adams' son was given a job on Crean's staff.

ESPN looked into this:

What about Adams' ties to Indiana University basketball and about how his son got a job under coach Tom Crean with no prior college coaching experience? What about whether Adams stops communicating with African basketball players if they don't follow his advice when selecting a college? What about Indiana Elite, which has evolved into a pipeline for top players to IU, punctuated by future verbal commitments? What is going on with his nonprofit's donations and expenditures? And what about gifts bestowed upon Colombian-born forward Hanner Mosquera-Perea, a top IU commitment for the Class of 2012?

Adams will have none of it, saying ESPN.com is asking the questions only at the suggestion of rival coaches and that it is "manufacturing" a story. He declined multiple interview requests before agreeing to answer a set of questions in email, but he ultimately told ESPN.com not to contact him again.

After Drew Adams, the son of Mark Adams, was promoted to director of operations/video coordinator in April 2010, Crean signed or picked up commitments from eight players with ties to A-HOPE and/or the Indiana Elite program. According to summer team forms on file with the NCAA, the younger Adams previously coached three of the players with Indiana Elite, and his father acknowledges that two -- 2012 commits Perea and 7-foot-1-inch Peter Jurkin, part of a class ranked No. 1 in the country by ESPN -- lived at his Bloomington, Ind., house last summer while he was their coach at Indiana Elite. Drew Adams' original hiring in September 2009 as IU's coordinator of basketball systems came just before an NCAA rule change that would have prohibited IU from signing players he previously was associated with for two years.

Amid questions about Adams' ties to his father's foundation and the Indiana Elite program, the 26-year-old left his hometown program May 6 for a same-titled position at New Mexico under former Hoosiers star Steve Alford. Just two weeks prior, IU compliance officials declined to address specific questions posed by ESPN.com about Adams' role with the Hoosiers, offering a general statement through an athletic department spokesman that their office "engages in active monitoring and educational efforts focused on a broad range of areas for all Indiana University sports programs our institution has reviewed our relationships with other educational institutions, non-profit foundations, and non-scholastic teams and organizations, including A-HOPE and Indiana Elite."

• A-HOPE paid for Perea's round-trips to Bogotá, Colombia, last summer and this past Christmas -- the latter not long after he verbally committed to the Hoosiers in October. Mark Adams also has provided Perea a cell phone and pays the bill, gave him a used iPod and bought a $400 laptop that Perea shares with another A-HOPE player. Such treatment potentially violates NCAA extra benefits bylaws and thus could impact Perea's initial NCAA eligibility at Indiana.


Other notes:

"It seems to be this recruitment tool for the [summer travel teams]," says Chet Marshall, an administrator at Culver (Ind.) Academy, the first of four private schools attended by Perea. "And during the year, by the way, 'We'll find you a private school so you can stay out of trouble and no one else [in the basketball subculture] can find you.'"

Indiana Elite founder Mike Barnett is accused by multiple sources of having raised the possibility of adopting former Indiana Elite player DeAndre Liggins, without his mother's permission, to influence his college selection. Four people familiar with Liggins' recruitment claim that Barnett, who professes close friendships with prominent college coaches and in the past has represented coaches in contract negotiations, also promptly discontinued Liggins' cellphone service when he committed to play at Kentucky rather than a Barnett-preferred school.

Further, two of the three Indiana Elite founders have strong ties to Hoosiers basketball, as does Adams (IU class of 1980). Criss Beyers, another IU alum, is a onetime graduate assistant under Bob Knight. And Barnett, an adidas consultant based in Rochester, Ind., has a son playing for IU as a walk-on.

It keeps going...

http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6587668
 
One since 1993, to be precise, a fluke run in 2002 after an 18-point second half comeback at Rupp over Duke. That's the only time since the year Bill Clinton first took office that IU even reached the Elite Eight.

I always forget about that run '02 when they knocked out Duke in the Sweet Sixteen.

Must have been many imaginings dancing in their heads at that point with fantastical swirls of, "we're back" optimistically reemerging from the shadows of their minds.
 
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Meanwhile, Indiana still hasn't been to a Final Four since the early 1990s.

In fact, anytime I get sad at the end of a UK tournament run, I think of Indiana fans, and my perspective suddenly blossoms.

It would have been hard to believe in 1987 that IU would have fallen off the national basketball scene like they have. It just makes me wonder when Coach K leaves will Duke have the same problem. I really feel that Coach K will push for a former assistant to get the job and I am not sure any of them can handle it. It only takes a few years with a bad coach to make you irrelevant in the eyes of recruits. That first hire could be critical for Duke and if they get it wrong they could be just like IU 25 years from now.
 
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Thanks for that, brianpoe. Either forgot or didn't know most of that. Not a good look for Crean, at all. "Promptly discontinued his cell phone service when he picked Kentucky". Ha!

The Fordes if the world are always crying about AAU basketball and recruiting being a cesspool. And they'll take vague shots at Cal, implying he's knee deep in that cesspool. The same bunch has always, always defended and touted Crean as one of the good guys. All they do is pick and choose what to be offended by and what to disregard..
 
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It would have been hard to believe in 1987 that IU would have fallen off the national basketball scene like they have. It just makes me wonder when Coach K leaves will Duke have the same problem. I really feel that Coach K will push for a former assistant to get the job and I am not sure any of them can handle it. It only takes a few years with a bad coach to make you irrelevant in the eyes of recruits. That first hire could be critical for Duke and if they get it wrong they could be just like IU 25 years from now.

I think Capel gets the job. He connects with OAD culture more than any K assistant and I believe he's had opportunities to leave, but has chosen to stay on because he knows he's next in line.

That said, I agree with you. There will be a drop-off when K retires, and it's precisely because Duke will stay incestuously within their coaching blood line. They would be wise to go out and land someone like Brad Stevens - who at that point will be a coach who is known for his NBA connections as well as his high level basketball IQ.
 
I think Capel gets the job. He connects with OAD culture more than any K assistant and I believe he's had opportunities to leave, but has chosen to stay on because he knows he's next in line.

That said, I agree with you. There will be a drop-off when K retires, and it's precisely because Duke will stay incestuously within their coaching blood line. They would be wise to go out and land someone like Brad Stevens - who at that point will be a coach who is known for his NBA connections as well as his high level basketball IQ.


We can only hope it's Capel. With the way the team performed this year with K out and Capel leading the charge I am afraid he may have blown his chance.
 
Crean tried to get a coaching job in China. He couldn't explain why so many people call him Crappy.
 
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