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Time to blow the Reds up

I'm not going to complain about Baker because he has put some good teams on the field but last years playoff run still gives me nightmares.
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Originally posted by TCPUKChamps:
They may sneak into the WC playoff, but once again, despite all the spending, their ceiling is the NLDS.



Bailey, Choo, Chapman, Hanigan, Marshall, Broxton, Phillips all need moved. Bailey/Choo/Chapman/Hanigan (When healthy) to replenish the farm system, Marshall/Broxton/Phillips for a bag of balls to shed salary.




Time to rebuild around Votto/Mesoraco/Latos/Cueto/Hamilton/Cingrani/Leake


I'd offer Chapman to Detroit for Castellanos/Rondon/Smyly




Move Cingrani to closer, Smyly takes over as LH reliever.




Rondon as the setup man
Why in the world would you give up Homer? He's 26 and entering the prime of his career? Are you high?..drunk?..stupid?
 
Originally posted by kev69:
Originally posted by TCPUKChamps:
They may sneak into the WC playoff, but once again, despite all the spending, their ceiling is the NLDS.



Bailey, Choo, Chapman, Hanigan, Marshall, Broxton, Phillips all need moved. Bailey/Choo/Chapman/Hanigan (When healthy) to replenish the farm system, Marshall/Broxton/Phillips for a bag of balls to shed salary.




Time to rebuild around Votto/Mesoraco/Latos/Cueto/Hamilton/Cingrani/Leake


I'd offer Chapman to Detroit for Castellanos/Rondon/Smyly




Move Cingrani to closer, Smyly takes over as LH reliever.




Rondon as the setup man
Why in the world would you give up Homer? He's 26 and entering the prime of his career? Are you high?..drunk?..stupid?
Because he'll be a FA after next year and will probably be out of the Reds price range. That and he's shown no inclination so far of discussing a Long Term Extension.
 
The Reds have the best record in the NL Central since the All-Star break. Starting pitching is the best we've seen in > 2 decades. 3 straight wins against the Cards.


Chumps = awful
 
I never know if Chumps:

(a) is aware of his jinxing abilities and is going for the reverse jinx;
(b) is just a highly irrational redass fan in the heat of battle; or
(c) has an actual and sincere belief in the ridiculous crap that he posts.

I would hope (a), can understand (b), but fear (c).
 
The "Dusty is a horrible manager" crowd are just ridiculous. The Reds made the post-season once in 18 years and this will be their 3rd in 4 years. The Cubs hadn't won a post-season series in nearly a hundred years and did under Dusty and should have been to the World Series if not for a comedy of errors. The Giants had been to the World Series exactly one time since moving west and they did it under Dusty. Those aren't coincidences. Is he the best manager in the game? Absolutely not, but he's not nearly as horrible as you small-minded fools make him out to be.

And no way do you trade Homer Bailey or Arroyo or blow up the team. They've missed their #1 starter basically all season long. Their LF missed almost the entire season. Their SS and 3B can't hit, half their bullpen is still injured, Votto has had a down year, and they have no bench yet they're well-ahead for the last wildcard spot.

All they need to do is get healthy and get hot in October. They have a 2-3 year run in them to have a decent chance so no way do you make major changes.
 
Blow up the Reds huh? Just 2 back in Division and but 1.5 back for first WC and they are running away with 2nd WC with only 20 gms left...

Blow them up? Riiiiiiiiiight....
 
Originally posted by Vandalayindustries:
The "Dusty is a horrible manager" crowd are just ridiculous. The Reds made the post-season once in 18 years and this will be their 3rd in 4 years. The Cubs hadn't won a post-season series in nearly a hundred years and did under Dusty and should have been to the World Series if not for a comedy of errors. The Giants had been to the World Series exactly one time since moving west and they did it under Dusty. Those aren't coincidences. Is he the best manager in the game? Absolutely not, but he's not nearly as horrible as you small-minded fools make him out to be.

And no way do you trade Homer Bailey or Arroyo or blow up the team. They've missed their #1 starter basically all season long. Their LF missed almost the entire season. Their SS and 3B can't hit, half their bullpen is still injured, Votto has had a down year, and they have no bench yet they're well-ahead for the last wildcard spot.

All they need to do is get healthy and get hot in October. They have a 2-3 year run in them to have a decent chance so no way do you make major changes.
Nice post
 
This is the fan who makes Twitter so great. Every game is: a referendum on a team's season, coaches and/or player's career. Anytime his team loses, then the season is lost, the coach must be fired, and the struggling player must be cut. When emotions are really high, a baseball game is over when the opponent jumps to an early but surmountable lead. But after a night's sleep, tomorrow is a new day.

The passion cannot be denied. But it is certainly entertaining.
 
I was wrong on Hamilton. Kid's speed is ridiculous and game-changing. He needs to figure hitting out, but he started to come around towards the end of his AAA season, and he's obviously having some success at the MLB level so far. His base stealing is potentially legendary.

Sometimes guys just figure it out and make the leap. Hamilton appears to be doing that now.
 
Originally posted by wildcat1973:
I was wrong on Hamilton. Kid's speed is ridiculous and game-changing. He needs to figure hitting out, but he started to come around towards the end of his AAA season, and he's obviously having some success at the MLB level so far. His base stealing is potentially legendary.

Sometimes guys just figure it out and make the leap. Hamilton appears to be doing that now.
Well, he has been a major leaguer for about ten minutes now, but that being said, makes it a much tougher call for the Reds as to what to do with Choo next season. If he won't take anything but a multi year contract (and he probably won't) I think you have to let Choo walk and hope that BH is ready for everyday CF next year.
 
When you look at the Red's injuries and stats, both team and individual it's kind of amazing they are a play-off team. Dusty is the man I most credit for squeezing 90 wins out of a average performing at best line-up, and using his pitcher's to their best effectiveness. Look where the Giants are this year. I had hopes for the Red's last year in the post season, but Cueto's injury seem to kill them. Not so much this year. Still baseball is a funny game, and if continues his comeback and stays healthy who knows.

So count me in the crowd who thinks Dusty is a very good manager. The best, as other's have said probably not, but I think he's done a tremendous job this year with what he's got, and all that's happened.
 
The injury argument doesn't hold water. The Cards and Pirates have had as many, if not more, injury issues than the Reds have. The Reds are the more talented of the three teams, yet have spent most of the season in third place.
 
Originally posted by Blue63Madison:
The injury argument doesn't hold water. The Cards and Pirates have had as many, if not more, injury issues than the Reds have. The Reds are the more talented of the three teams, yet have spent most of the season in third place.
Yep, St Louis has used 10 starting pitchers and is on their 3rd closer

Their SS hasn't played all year
Allen Craig's been injured for a lot of the year.

Injury argument is bull$#!T
 
Craig has only been out since the first of September. But, other than that, the points are valid. Furcal has been out the whole year. Of course, he is injury prone to start with, but he was their starting shortstop.

For Craig's absence the last three weeks, they've had Matt Adams to step in and they really haven't missed a beat. Its just meant less off time for Beltran. They've got a much better bench than the Reds do (when you are bringing in Neftali Soto and Henry Rodriguez in to pinch hit in crucial September games, then your bench is terrible), and their farm system is much deeper as far as starting pitching goes.
 
And if it wasn't for the BS 2nd Wild Card, this team would be one more loss away from not even making the playoffs.

This thread was 100% accurate and correct.
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Originally posted by wildcat1973:
Can't wait for Ryan Ludwick in the 2 slot today!!!!
Just another one of Baker's stupid ideas. I have never seen a team that can get into scoreless droughts like this one. They finished 3rd in the NL in runs scored and I have no idea how. It will be a very short post-season for the Reds.
 
Since Bruce moved out of the cleanup spot this team has gone to shit. Dusty is too freaking stupid to see that, though. Bruce lit it up for a 2 week stretch batting cleanup, so once he got in a groove, dipshit Dusty moved him back to the 5 hole and completely screwed him up. Plus, Ludwick is pure garbage.
 
If the Reds are gonna make the move into the category of contenders for a title, they are going to have to get rid of some dead weight. Ludwick is awful. Worst left fielder I've ever seen in the field. Arroyo is way past his prime. Gives up way too many home runs. Cozart is ok, but he isn't the among the top SSs in the field, and his bat is very streaky.

Frazier is a pretty good 3rd basemen, but he swings at everything and refuses to take walks. Has some power, but doesn't flex it near enough. Lastly, they have to keep Choo, but I think he's gonna be too expensive, unfortunately.
 
Originally posted by TCPUKChamps:
This team doesn't deserve to go to the Playoffs. Selig is a joke
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I understand the frustration. I've been with them since the early 70s, so I've been there in good times and bad, but you are just non-stop negative. You make me look like Pollyanna.
 
Originally posted by TCPUKChamps:
And if it wasn't for the BS 2nd Wild Card, this team would be one more loss away from not even making the playoffs.

This thread was 100% accurate and correct.
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But the 2nd Wild Card does exist and the Reds are a playoff team. This thread is not 100% accurate. The Reds can still go deep in the playoffs. People are acting like the season is already over. I hope the players don't feel this way.
 
In 2006, the Cardinals didn't "deserve" to go to the playoffs, either. They won the NL Central by finishing 83-78, and limped into the postseason by losing 9 of their last 12.

And you know what.....? None of that nonsense mattered in October.



The MLB postseason is just different. This isn't the NBA, where you know a week into the season who's going to bring home the tropy. Anyone can win in baseball if you just give them a chance. The "best" team rarely wins the World Series. Instead, it's typically won by whichever team gets on a roll, finds timely hits, and catches the most lucky breaks.
 
Originally posted by PTI (pti):


In 2006, the Cardinals didn't "deserve" to go to the playoffs, either. They won the NL Central by finishing 83-78, and limped into the postseason by losing 9 of their last 12.

And you know what.....? None of that nonsense mattered in October.



The MLB postseason is just different. This isn't the NBA, where you know a week into the season who's going to bring home the tropy. Anyone can win in baseball if you just give them a chance. The "best" team rarely wins the World Series. Instead, it's typically won by whichever team gets on a roll, finds timely hits, and catches the most lucky breaks.
If you "win" your division, you deserve to go to the playoffs. Stupid comment.

And best record does not always equate to best team, and the majority of the time, the best team does win the WS.
 
In addition, the 2006 Cardinals went 25-35 their last 60 games, which included 8-game and 7-game losing streaks.

The fact is...there IS a second wild card team. The Reds had the second best non division record in the NL. I dont know about you, but that means they "deserve" a playoff spot. And if they win Tuesday night, then this week never happened.
 
The examples given are encouraging, but to replicate that, the Reds have to get hot. They haven't shown that ability for a good while now. Instead, they are currently spiraling downward.
 
Originally posted by PTI (pti):


In 2006, the Cardinals didn't "deserve" to go to the playoffs, either. They won the NL Central by finishing 83-78, and limped into the postseason by losing 9 of their last 12.

And you know what.....? None of that nonsense mattered in October.
I see what you're saying, but the 2006 team was comprised of basically the same roster from 2004 & 2005, which each won 100 games or more. The reason for the difference in record was that the 2006 squad was decimated by injuries throughout the year. At the very end, just about everyone got healthy (Rolen was still struggling, but toughed it out) and the rest is history.
 
What happened last night is easily being picked apart.

1- Homer should be the starter, and if not he should be the one up and ready the second Cueto show a sign of not being ready which was somewhat early.

2- Why Billy Hamilton isnt starting in LF is a joke, Ludwick is a great hitter of the bench vs BH coming in to pinch run, especially when he cancause chaos in 3-4 ABs possibly already.

That doesnt gurantee anything different but would show Dusty is trying.

This offseason they have to figure out a way to keep Choo, and they have to let Arroyo go.
 
looking grim right now, but the Dodgers were buried this time last year and rallied to make the playoffs with ease.
 
Originally posted by krazykats:
What happened last night is easily being picked apart.

1- Homer should be the starter, and if not he should be the one up and ready the second Cueto show a sign of not being ready which was somewhat early.

2- Why Billy Hamilton isnt starting in LF is a joke, Ludwick is a great hitter of the bench vs BH coming in to pinch run, especially when he cancause chaos in 3-4 ABs possibly already.

That doesnt gurantee anything different but would show Dusty is trying.

This offseason they have to figure out a way to keep Choo, and they have to let Arroyo go.
We massively overpaid Bailey to keep him. Hamilton can't hit what he is hitting and be a lead-off hitter. Definitely should have kept Choo, but I have no problem losing Arroyo. The Reds need someone that knows how to run a winning organization. They have won ONE playoff series since their last WS in 1990.
 
Another trade deadline has come and gone.

What are the Reds actually doing?
 
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