180 declare for 60 spots. Yes, they need a 2 year rule. It would benefit everyone and it's a travesty to mess up careers for 120 guys every yeat.
Time for the nba to have a two year rule !!!!
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This. For years, I've touted the solution but apparently the NCAA is not smart enough to figure out what even a rube like me can understand. The NCAA holds the eligibility card. Kid gets drafted, does not like his position; likes his position but not the contract offered, the ncaa could let him retain eligibility.
Imagine the hand wringing by an nba team that wastes a #1 pick on a kid that decides he doesn't like his position and loses him. Even if they retain the rights, they'd lose the year/years the kid stayed in college.
I'm not that big a fan of college bball, but IMO, the nba is the worst of all leagues. Stick it to them.
I think most fans and experts have said to go to two-year rule in NCAA Basketball. I believe it should be just like the NCAA Football where most declare in their Junior year and some after 2 years in NCAA Football. If the NBA doesn't go to the 2 year rule then it should just go back to letting the kids sign right out of High School. It just doesn't make sense to have the 1 year and should go to the 2 year rule ASAP! This would be great for the fans, players, and especially the head coaches. I know many fans think that Coach Cal just looks at the One and Done and how many we can get into the NBA but I bet money that Coach Cal would love to have Fox, Monk, and Bam for 2 years. What a team next year with those 3 players to go along with Vanderbilt and PJ Washington and Gabriel and SKJ. I am sure Coach Cal would love to know and have some of these players for 2 years so his recruiting would be more at every 2 years instead of trying to fill a depleted starting five with five new freshman like next year's team and most of Coach Cal teams since being at Kentucky.
Doesn't make sense for who? It makes perfect sense for the NBA.
I could be wrong, but I don't think they sign any different of a contract in baseball than they do in basketball. I think it is MLB that has the draft rules in place that if they go to college then they can't be drafted (again) until after their JR year.
could be true but they can still get them to sign a contract to play for the university.
To use a baseball analogy for basketball. AAU is the Rookie League, NCAA is Single-A / Double-A, and the D-League is Double-A / Triple-A.
Contract means nothing if it is not enforceable.
You're 19, you've signed a "contract" to stay in school for 2-3 years, but you had a bust-out FR year and are projected to be a top 5 pick, which would get a guaranteed $10M 3-yr contract. 1) You would be STUPID to pass up that opportunity and risk injury or simply the NBA not liking you as much the next year (G.Allen). 2) No contract is going to make you change your mind on that decision. 3) Very few coaches would tell you to not leave, as it would be a selfish move. (Now Cal goes the extra step in that situation and tells you to leave if you are a lottery projection). 4) If you left, and your school tried to enforce that "contract" by suing you, they would NOT get a high-level recruit for several years after that!!!!!!
I would be ok with that, and this is the rule that I think is the best compromise between what is in the best interest of the players and the schools and the NBA. There is one part you left out. A player can be drafted (in baseball) out of HS, and if he doesn't like the round he was taken, or doesn't like the team that drafted him, then he can still choose option 2 (college for 3 yrs). Basketball needs this option too, although the NBA wouldn't like it. In fact, this is the only negotiating piece the NCAA has, they can start offering players this return option, if the NBA doesn't change their draft rules (to either the 2&Done or the MLB model). You would almost never see a lottery pick be drafted & return to school, but you would see some late 1st round picks do that, and certainly some 2nd round picks.
Hopefully this happens. The d-league should be just that, a developmental league. let the players that have no desire to be in college go to the d-league. Make it a living wage and have them start their apprenticeship.
I'm sure all the college gymnasts are all for this. And the women's volleyball players. If you pay the men's basketball players you're going to have to pay the gymnasts and softball players too.
The only possible ways i think you get the player association to come on board to change the one and done rule is to. Change the rookie contract. Make it 3 years for one and done 2 years for a 2 or 3 year player and one year for a 4 year guy. Or make it straight out of high school but if you do go to college you have to go 2 years.
I'm for the two year rule and a 2 year degree program that includes courses that would be beneficial to a pro player. Business courses in money management, communications, public relations etc. Then if the player stays, convert that into a 4 year program.
I've often wondered how this would play out over the years. There's a multitude of draft picks entering the league on a yearly basis w/ only a small margin retiring. Therefore, guys are getting shuffled around to D league or pushed out entirely. However, there is supposed to be a roster expansion to help offset the problem.
I'd love to know numbers and the specifics but I'm too lazy to research.
the simple fact these these guys are not getting a stipend is ridiculous. when I was in graduate school (at UK), as a TA, I got tuition and a pay check (stipend), it wasn't a crazy amount, like 250-300 bucks every 2 weeks, taught 1 class and graded papers. 20 hours of work is considered a full time TA and thus pays full tuiton and the largerest stipend your department provides students. I don't see why men's basketball (or any athletic department) can't do the same thing, as long as it is coming out of their funds. these guys are providing a service to the university, not to mention boat loads of money. If you average student can get paid to go to school why cant we do the same for athletics. before anyone talks about it being unfair to other schools just remember the better a player is the better school they will go to 99% of the time also the smarter a student is the better school they can/will go to. The NCAA and the universities hide behind this idea of fairness between school because they are afraid to cut into athletic revenue.
The problem is that very few athletic departments actually turn a profit. I remember a few years ago an article came out, and only like 5 basketball departments actually turned a profit. More football programs turn a profit, but as a whole, speaking specifically about the schools finances, most do not turn a profit at all. Now, I agree that a lot of the cost is just "on paper" money, and isn't actually a cost to the university, and there is no way to account for the number of average students the university draws due at least in part to athletics, but most at least state they do not turn a profit from athletic programs.
The main problem is that the people are not in place to actually get some sort of compromise in place. The NCAA doesn't want to let go of their priorities, and neither does the NBA, and neither is concerned about the other, as they believe they can exist regardless of the state of the other. For the most part, this is true.
But maybe there is a solution that really benefits all parties involved, if both sides could come to terms on it. If they could agree, they should make all players that played in college one year immediately eligible for the draft. Once drafted, the team retains rights to the player for 5 years if no contract is reached. However, the player and the team can come to terms about whether to "call a player up" or leave them in college. This would be similar to what they do with overseas players. Players who do not sign a contract, or hire an agent will retain their college eligibility. This would allow the NBA to in effect have a free developmental league, and one that already has more viewership, which returns interest to the league from fans when the players are actually "called up". The stipulation would be that the team has 5 days post draft to decide on "calling a player up". Then every year after that, the team has a month window from April 15th to May 15th to "call a player up", and is restricted from doing so at any other time. Then there is a scale for draft position, that the team is entitled to pay a player should they never "call them up", and they finish their degree at the college they attend. Should the player not finish their degree, then the money is not required.
There are other details that would have to be worked out, but a deal like this could keep marginal players in college, allow the NBA to draft players on potential like they do now, with less risk. Obviously most of the players in the lottery would be called up immediately, but lower first round players, and second round players could be drafted and sent back to college. Remember that drafting foreign players is something teams do when they don't believe that an immediate help option is available. The reason they do that is to keep from having to pay big contracts to players that they are not sure are worth it.
But maybe there is a solution that really benefits all parties involved, if both sides could come to terms on it. If they could agree, they should make all players that played in college one year immediately eligible for the draft. Once drafted, the team retains rights to the player for 5 years if no contract is reached. However, the player and the team can come to terms about whether to "call a player up" or leave them in college. This would be similar to what they do with overseas players. Players who do not sign a contract, or hire an agent will retain their college eligibility. This would allow the NBA to in effect have a free developmental league, and one that already has more viewership, which returns interest to the league from fans when the players are actually "called up". The stipulation would be that the team has 5 days post draft to decide on "calling a player up". Then every year after that, the team has a month window from April 15th to May 15th to "call a player up", and is restricted from doing so at any other time. Then there is a scale for draft position, that the team is entitled to pay a player should they never "call them up", and they finish their degree at the college they attend. Should the player not finish their degree, then the money is not required.
There are other details that would have to be worked out, but a deal like this could keep marginal players in college, allow the NBA to draft players on potential like they do now, with less risk. Obviously most of the players in the lottery would be called up immediately, but lower first round players, and second round players could be drafted and sent back to college. Remember that drafting foreign players is something teams do when they don't believe that an immediate help option is available. The reason they do that is to keep from having to pay big contracts to players that they are not sure are worth it.
Here's some 20-hour, tuition free math for you: Player taken 20th overall in the draft this year is going to make more than $50 thousand every two weeks guaranteed. People need to shut the hell up about "stipends" from colleges because it won't make a lick of difference.
You can go pro right out of high school in pro baseball, how fast you actually get to the major league team is up to you, if a major league team picks you but you go to college the team just lost its pick. There no college requirement to declare for MLB draft, you can go to a junior college for one year and leave, i think you mean NFL
Didn't say everyone did. Make it a special category. Might as well make the 2 and done count for something.
So give special treatment to certain students? What if kid loves history or biology?
You actually think players (no agent) use their own money to go to the draft combine or work out with an NBA team?
Can the NBA pay for actual and necessary travel and room and board
expenses associated with participating in the Draft Combine?
YES! A student-athlete may accept actual and necessary travel, and room and board expenses from the NBA to attend the draft combine.
Can an NBA team pay for a student-athlete’s private tryout with the team?
YES! In addition to being able to participate in the NBA draft combine in May, a student-athlete may also participate in a tryout with an NBA team, provided he does not miss class. The student-athlete may receive actual and
necessary expenses from the NBA team in conjunction with one 48-hour
tryout per team. The 48-hour tryout period begins when he arrives at the
tryout location. At the completion of the 48-hour period, the student-athlete
must depart the location of the tryout immediately in order to receive return
transportation expenses.
I'm not familiar with the business model that finds a labor pool glut to be a problem.
It isn't helpful to college basketball and is even worse for the players that don't make it but the NBA doesn't have an issue.
I've been a hiring manager and I was always happy to have a flood of applicants and despised not having enough. A slew of applicants meant I got to be picky as I wanted to be for my slots and a few meant I was going to be rolling dice or leaving slots unfilled.
Let's see how many of these kids actually stay in the draft before you get too fired up. Under the new rules kids should declare and take advantage of the opportunity to work out and find out what the NBA wants them to improve upon. Guessing 3/4 of those 180 come back to school.
I don't think there should be any year rule. If someone wants to go from prep-to-bigs and think they're ready, go for it.
And it's interesting you mention "like MLB" because this Feller here went from junior year to MLB! And famously struck out 17 as a 17 year old! And this was sixty years before Kobe and Garnett no less!
Just for some clarification here. 137 undergraduates declared this year. Only 44 of them have signed with an agent. A majority of the guys who have not signed with an agent yet will return to school. Also, some guys that declare for ^%&$# and giggles. If you look at the list and see that they average 5ppg for a directional school, you will see that they do it for fun or do it because they are no longer going to play basketball. The number of guys who leave school early, sign with an agent and are doing it to further their basketball career is MUCH less than 137.
Also, a 2 year rule would not help the amount of guys coming out every year.
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A two year rule just creates a whole new set of problems.... and with the elite prospects going overseas... the college game takes degrades further. Cal would make the most of it... it won't effect our dominance... but the level of play across the field will take a hit.
Exactly. The big time players are not going to go to college for 2 years. It's not going to happen. Where you would succeed is a guy like Booker who most likely would go to school and probably be an All American his sophomore year.
Granted. It still isn't the NBA's problem though.
The NCAA is the body that looks out for student athletes and their member institutions so they can remedy the problems of who they have responsibility to by allowing those who don't make it to come back and continue to develop but they don't seem to be interested in that kind of solution.
My issue is the assertion that is the NBA's problem when I think they are doing more or less what is in their organization's best interest.
People it's not going to change, because it is working for the parties involved.
The NBA is more popular than ever, with people following the young players who built their brand in college.
The NCAA has a cheap labor force and can pretend they are about amateurism and pro the "student-athlete". This while making millions of the backs of the players.
The NBA is more popular than ever, with people following the young players who built their brand in college.
The NCAA has a cheap labor force and can pretend they are about amateurism and pro the "student-athlete". This while making millions of the backs of the players.
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