this weeks bracketology

[caneintally]

in the latest brackets done by Joey Brackets he has Kentucky , UVA , Nova and Duke ??? as the 4 top seeds . He has 4 SEC teams in and has 3 of the 4 teams in the next 4 out section as SEC teams ( UT , UF and Ole miss ) . IMO i think it will end up being Texas A&M and Ole miss fighting for that 5 spot out of the SEC with Ole miss getting it . That win against # 6 seed Arky helped alot .

 

[KentuckyRLD]

It is hard to imagine the SEC getting more than 4 teams in. Over all they will beat each other up in conference and the overall out of conference record, with the exception of KY is not all that great. The reputation of the conference is not good and when the committee does their thing I think only 4 get in and HOPE it is at least four. There is no guarantee.

 

[caneintally]

Also just checked out Jerry Palm's latest and he has UK , UVA , GOnzaga and Nova as the 4 one seeds which makes more sense to me. He has 5 SEC schools in right now with LSU , UGA ,UK , Arkansas and Bama . He has Texas A& M and UT as 2 of the first 4 out .

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

 

[caneintally]

Originally posted by KentuckyRLD:

It is hard to imagine the SEC getting more than 4 teams in. Over all they will beat each other up in conference and the overall out of conference record, with the exception of KY is not all that great. The reputation of the conference is not good and when the committee does their thing I think only 4 get in and HOPE it is at least four. There is no guarantee.

that''s why alot of people laughed at me when i said back in November we would get 5 but the numbers are showing it . WE just have to have teams like Texas A&M keep winning the ones they are supposed to and teams that are relative locks like Arky and UGa just can't lose to really bad teams more then once . LSU has had their mulligan with Mizzou they can't have another one .

 

[caneintally]

also Buffalo and Providence , 2 teams we played are in the feild according to Palm as 13 and 7 seeds respectively .

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by KentuckyRLD:

It is hard to imagine the SEC getting more than 4 teams in. Over all they will beat each other up in conference and the overall out of conference record, with the exception of KY is not all that great. The reputation of the conference is not good and when the committee does their thing I think only 4 get in and HOPE it is at least four. There is no guarantee.

Yeah, this is the big issue. The SEC needs 3-4 teams other than UK to step up and do well and be consistent. It is not happening so far.

For example, this week you have:

LSU @ FL.
UT @ SC
Miss @ UGA
AL @ Ark

Then on the weekend slate:

UK at SC
A&M at UT
LSU at Vandy
FL at Ole Miss

Now does anyone have any faith in LSU to win both road games this week? I sure as hell don't. Does anyone have any faith that FL will win both games this week? I don't. What about SC? LOL they are losing ONE FOR SURE. What about UT? Ole Miss? All these teams have to play each other....it is like this every week in SEC play. There is no consistency by any team.

 

[wild mandu]

Bracket projections in January are stupid, and we all hate Duke, but does anybody actually think Villanova or Gonzaga is a better team? They're not. I think Wisconsin would beat Villanova.

This post was edited on 1/19 3:22 PM by wild mandu

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by wild mandu:
Bracket projections in January are stupid, and we all hate Duke, but does anybody actually think Villanova or Gonzaga is a better team? They're not.

This. My god, Gonzaga almost lost to Pepperdine for God's sake. They are a fraud.

You cannot just award the 1 seeds to the teams with the least amount of losses. Duke would slaughter Gonzaga if they played them. I want the best teams to get the 1 seeds. That would be UK, UVA, Duke and Wisconsin. If either of the latter is not a 1, guess whose 2 seed they are? You get one guess people.

 

[GOING FOR #9]

If NCAA were today Duke would be a one seed. They have wins over Wisconsin and UL both on the road. Gonzaga and Villanova have beaten no one and have losses not much worse than Dukes. Plus they just don't play the competition.

As for SEC we have 7 teams in the RPI top 50. With expanded field, play in games and the fact the SEC has grown I believe we will get 6 teams. Also the fact that as teams play us, win or lose their rpi will go up.

 

[Tummygoat]

2 loss Duke > 1 loss Gonzaga

Duke could be a 1 with 3 or 4 losses depending on who they beat. Zags may not enough quality wins to keep a one if Duke loses no more than 3-4.

 

[FishersBlue]

This year I think it's somewhat easy to predict the top 4 seeds in each region. With certain teams and certain conferences, you get a sense of what their final record/portfolio might be. I predict:

1 seeds: Kentucky, Virginia, Duke, and Villanova
2 seeds: Gonzaga, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Kansas/Iowa State.
3 seeds: Kansas/Iowa State, North Carolina, Maryland, Notre Dame
4 seeds: Louisville, Wichita State, West Va, Texas
5 seeds: Oklahoma, VCU, Seton Hall, Northern Iowa


8/9 seeds: Ohio State, Providence, Butler, Georgetown, Wyoming, Arkansas, Stanford, Colorado State

 

[TheDude73]

Given a decent Gonzaga team plays no one the rest of the year, it's pretty much a given they already have a lock on a #1 seed, so shoving Nova in there makes no sense.

UK and Virginia - well, UK yes, UVA still has to get through the meat of their ACC schedule before I would jump them to a lock. The fourth one, to me, is up for grabs, but given what we know about the selection committee's love for Puke, we may as well pencil them in there, too.

 

[LineSkiCat]

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:

Originally posted by wild mandu:
Bracket projections in January are stupid, and we all hate Duke, but does anybody actually think Villanova or Gonzaga is a better team? They're not.

This. My god, Gonzaga almost lost to Pepperdine for God's sake. They are a fraud.

You cannot just award the 1 seeds to the teams with the least amount of losses. Duke would slaughter Gonzaga if they played them. I want the best teams to get the 1 seeds. That would be UK, UVA, Duke and Wisconsin. If either of the latter is not a 1, guess whose 2 seed they are? You get one guess people.

I doubt you will find anyone here who actually thinks the Zags are better.. but if they keep winning, they will get that #1 seed. Doesn't matter what Duke does from here on out, the #1 seed is Gonzaga's to lose.

Sometimes it just works out that way.

..and wait just a minute, while I think Duke is better than Gonzaga.. are we really just going to assume Duke "slaughters" them? Mercer says that's a foolish concept. NC State and Miami agree.

 

[kyjeff1]

Duke proved 2 things last week.
1)they can beat anyone in the country if things are clicking on offense ant their opponent shoots a bad percentage from the outside.

2)They can lose to anybody, and lose big.

 

[caneintally]

I like to keep up with them more for the fact people say such outlandish things like the SEC sucks and whatnot and then when you look at the projections they tell another story. Palm has 5 SEC teams in and 2 in then first 4 out and 2 in the next for out . while Joey Brackets has 4 in and 3 in the next four out. I just like how truth and opinion can be so different from one another . And right now if the tourney started DUke has no business being a 1 seed. IMO when it is all said and done the 1 seeds will be UK , UVA , Nova and Gonzaga .

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by caneintally:
I like to keep up with them more for the fact people say such outlandish things like the SEC sucks and whatnot and then when you look at the projections they tell another story. Palm has 5 SEC teams in and 2 in then first 4 out and 2 in the next for out . while Joey Brackets has 4 in and 3 in the next four out. I just like how truth and opinion can be so different from one another . And right now if the tourney started DUke has no business being a 1 seed. IMO when it is all said and done the 1 seeds will be UK , UVA , Nova and Gonzaga .

There is NO WAY in hell Duke would not be a 1 seed if the tourney started today. SMH.

I want you to provide FACTUAL information on why Gonzaga and Nova would be 1 seeds over Duke if it started TODAY? Spare us the "they have 1 less loss" nonsense. Give me logical reasons.

 

[LineSkiCat]

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:

Originally posted by caneintally:
I like to keep up with them more for the fact people say such outlandish things like the SEC sucks and whatnot and then when you look at the projections they tell another story. Palm has 5 SEC teams in and 2 in then first 4 out and 2 in the next for out . while Joey Brackets has 4 in and 3 in the next four out. I just like how truth and opinion can be so different from one another . And right now if the tourney started DUke has no business being a 1 seed. IMO when it is all said and done the 1 seeds will be UK , UVA , Nova and Gonzaga .

There is NO WAY in hell Duke would not be a 1 seed if the tourney started today. SMH.

I want you to provide FACTUAL information on why Gonzaga and Nova would be 1 seeds over Duke if it started TODAY? Spare us the "they have 1 less loss" nonsense. Give me logical reasons.

It doesn't matter if you *think* Duke is better than UVA and Zaga.. those two teams have 1 loss. They would get 1-seeds tomorrow, ESPECIALLY when Duke just lost 2 of their last 3 games.

 

[LineSkiCat]

And sure as shit, Lunardi has Duke as a #1 seed, who, I need to say again, despite winning @UofL just lost their previous two games. I stand corrected, but not surprised...

If you switch Duke's and Gonzaga's resumes, Duke still gets the #1 seed... Laughable.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
And sure as shit, Lunardi has Duke as a #1 seed, who, I need to say again, despite winning @UofL just lost their previous two games. I stand corrected, but not surprised...

If you switch Duke's and Gonzaga's resumes, Duke still gets the #1 seed... Laughable.

Duke's won at Wisconsin and UL. Gonzaga has won at or did what exactly?

And I was making the point that if the tourney started today Duke would be a #1 seed. You can give the 4th #1 to Gonzaga or Nova, but not both. I also want to note that I do not THINK, I KNOW they would be if it started today.

 

[Lumpy 2]

Right now UK and Virginia seem to be the only clear cut #1 seeds. Gonzaga, Wisconsin and Villinova all have easy schedules and probably won't lose many more. Every team in the ACC, including Virginia will probably have a few more losses. I think Kansas has a decent shot at a #1 seed if they win the Big12 and the conference tourney. Their SOS will be really high on account of the percieved strength of the conference.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by Lumpy 2:

Right now UK and Virginia seem to be the only clear cut #1 seeds. Gonzaga, Wisconsin and Villinova all have easy schedules and probably won't lose many more. Every team in the ACC, including Virginia will probably have a few more losses. I think Kansas has a decent shot at a #1 seed if they win the Big12 and the conference tourney. Their SOS will be really high on account of the percieved strength of the conference.

Wisconsin's PG is out. I figure they'd drop at least 1-2 more, but you could be right.

 

[LineSkiCat]

Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:

Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
And sure as shit, Lunardi has Duke as a #1 seed, who, I need to say again, despite winning @UofL just lost their previous two games. I stand corrected, but not surprised...

If you switch Duke's and Gonzaga's resumes, Duke still gets the #1 seed... Laughable.

Duke's won at Wisconsin and UL. Gonzaga has won at or did what exactly?

And I was making the point that if the tourney started today Duke would be a #1 seed. You can give the 4th #1 to Gonzaga or Nova, but not both. I also want to note that I do not THINK, I KNOW they would be if it started today.

Gonzaga has beaten everyone that they had to play, aside from a top10 Arizona on the road. Zero bad losses. Zero home losses. I will say, I am surprised to see Duke still have that #1 seed.. I guess Lunardi thinks if they stopped the season tomorrow, Duke gets the #1.

Just don't agree with it. If for nothing else other than losing 2 of the last 3. If those two losses came at the beginning of the season, different story. But as far as I'm concerned, beating UofL doesn't erase the questions surronding Duke when it came to the NCState and Miami games.

It's also worth noting that Gonzaga had the #1 seed before Duke@UofL. So essentially, it was that win that brought Duke back into a 1-seed. Another change I'm not sure how I feel about.

Either way, I don't see Gonzaga losing many more if at all. I still think they wind up with a #1 for that reason. They are probably the next "lock" after Kentucky to be quite honest. You're just not going to give a 1-loss team a #2 seed, UNLESS a combination of UVA, Duke(One has to lose a game), Zona, Nova, and Wisconsin can continue winning..