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This team is good enough BUT

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we have to got to get better defensively.
I want to see old school in your face defensive stops and pressure like the Pitino years.
Surely Pope has some ideas how to fix this. Offensively I am confident we can go far.
 
This team is not built to guard like that.

We have two guys that guard their man straight up.

This team has to play help defense.

And it is getting better at that. And will continue to get better.

We don’t have to hold teams to 60 points or so because of our offense.

If we get much better defensive rebounding we will solve most other defensive problems.

Our first shot defense is good as it is.

If you listened to the coach show last night you have a better understanding of why the UL game was like it was.

He actually relied on metrics too much for my taste. But he had a reason and he explained it.
 
This team is not built to guard like that.

We have two guys that guard their man straight up.

This team has to play help defense.

And it is getting better at that. And will continue to get better.

We don’t have to hold teams to 60 points or so because of our offense.

If we get much better defensive rebounding we will solve most other defensive problems.

Our first shot defense is good as it is.

If you listened to the coach show last night you have a better understanding of why the UL game was like it was.

He actually relied on metrics too much for my taste. But he had a reason and he explained it.
Agree with portions of your post.

However, I think UKs first shot defense is awful. They have allowed teams since the beginning of the season to shoot uncontested threes. Like these dudes are wide open. Just terrible defense. Constantly shying away from contact and going under screens. Crappy off the ball communication. I just can't get on board with ppl who think UKs first shot defense is good as it is. It is atrocious, especially from three point land.
 
Agree with portions of your post.

However, I think UKs first shot defense is awful. They have allowed teams since the beginning of the season to shoot uncontested threes. Like these dudes are wide open. Just terrible defense. Constantly shying away from contact and going under screens. Crappy off the ball communication. I just can't get on board with ppl who think UKs first shot defense is good as it is. It is atrocious, especially from three point land.
There have certainly been plenty of breakdowns so I won’t say our defense has been airtight, but you should consider that many of the wide open threes are by design. Our team isn’t elite defensively at all positions so we have to give up something. If the other team has subpar shooters, those are the guys we want to give a gap to, let them shoot and finish those possessions with a rebound. You’d have to be more specific for me to believe what we are doing defensively is bad…what sharpshooter have we given wide open opportunities to on a regular basis?
 
Agree with portions of your post.

However, I think UKs first shot defense is awful. They have allowed teams since the beginning of the season to shoot uncontested threes. Like these dudes are wide open. Just terrible defense. Constantly shying away from contact and going under screens. Crappy off the ball communication. I just can't get on board with ppl who think UKs first shot defense is good as it is. It is atrocious, especially from three point land.

I agree it's beyond a miracle that we haven't ran into a hot 3 point team yet... or we could easily have another loss or two.

I like this team but it does need to get better on defense for a real run.
 
There have certainly been plenty of breakdowns so I won’t say our defense has been airtight, but you should consider that many of the wide open threes are by design. Our team isn’t elite defensively at all positions so we have to give up something. If the other team has subpar shooters, those are the guys we want to give a gap to, let them shoot and finish those possessions with a rebound. You’d have to be more specific for me to believe what we are doing defensively is bad…what sharpshooter have we given wide open opportunities to on a regular basis?
If Pope's defense, as you say, is intentionally designed to give up wide open threes, then that is poor coaching.

Look specifically at UKs games against Duke and Gonzaga.

Duke is a 35% three point shooting team, they shot 4/23, on mostly wide open threes.

Gonzaga is a 34% three point shooting team. They shot 6/27, on mostly wide open threes.

If either of those teams makes 1-2 more threes, they still shoot well below their season average, yet win the game.
 
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If Pope's defense, as you say, is intentionally designed to give up wide open threes, then that is poor coaching.

Look specifically at UKs games against Duke and Gonzaga.

Duke is a 35% three point shooting team, they shot 4/23, on mostly wide open threes.

Gonzaga is a 34% three point shooting team. They shot 6/27, on mostly wide open threes.

If either of those teams makes 1-2 more threes, they still shoot well below their season average, yet win the game.
I dispute the notion of “mostly wide open threes”. I’ve watched the Gonzaga game twice and Duke game three times. I’m not saying Pope gives up every open three. You allow some guys to shoot based on scout and not others. Sometimes, a breakdown occurs and a guy you want to prevent shots from gets one. Try to understand the point being made. When you reply to a strawman version of the point, that isn’t helpful.
 
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I dispute the notion of “mostly wide open threes”. I’ve watched the Gonzaga game twice and Duke game three times. I’m not saying Pope gives up every open three. You allow some guys to shoot based on scout and not others. Sometimes, a breakdown occurs and a guy you want to prevent shots from gets one. Try to understand the point being made. When you reply to a strawman version of the point, that isn’t helpful.
I do understand the point. But your point is invalid. Pope's defense is letting EVERYBODY shoot wide open threes, not just individual players who suck from three point land.

You must have not watched the Gonzaga game, twice, as you say. Heck, go back and watch the second half only. Look at all of the Zags three point attempts, and you tell me how many of them are guarded...and by the way, they miss every single one in the second half. They don't hit until OT.
 
I do understand the point. But your point is invalid. Pope's defense is letting EVERYBODY shoot wide open threes, not just individual players who suck from three point land.

You must have not watched the Gonzaga game, twice, as you say. Heck, go back and watch the second half only. Look at all of the Zags three point attempts, and you tell me how many of them are guarded...and by the way, they miss every single one in the second half. They don't hit until OT.
Gonzaga isn’t a good 3pt shooting team dude. The point was to give them looks from deep. Did you see the complete assault Ike was performing on us? We had to give up something.
 
Gonzaga isn’t a good 3pt shooting team dude. The point was to give them looks from deep. Did you see the complete assault Ike was performing on us? We had to give up something.
Never said Gonzaga was. I did say their season average is 34% as of today. What did they shoot on virtually all wide open attempts against UK??? 6/27, which is 10 percentage points below their season average.

It's called UK got very lucky that neither the Zags or Duke hit their wide open looks. I will take it, as UK won.

But the point is it is a poor strategy to give the other team wide open looks all game, which has happened virtually in every single game thus far. Pope needs to get this fixed, and I have confidence he will.
 
Never said Gonzaga was. I did say their season average is 34% as of today. What did they shoot on virtually all wide open attempts against UK??? 6/27, which is 10 percentage points below their season average.

It's called UK got very lucky that neither the Zags or Duke hit their wide open looks. I will take it, as UK won.

But the point is it is a poor strategy to give the other team wide open looks all game, which has happened virtually in every single game thus far. Pope needs to get this fixed, and I have confidence he will.
I don’t think we are having the same conversation, talking right past one another. I’ll give one last point to be understood a little better. Yes, Gonzaga shot worse than their average from three. Luck was not the only factor in that, although it is one. Things outside of luck that will result in a lower percentage: the switching of defenses throws off offensive rhythm, general quality of shots, tired legs from trying to guard a perpetual motion offense, the “who” that was allowed to take the open shots, etc. Pope doesn’t control whether or not the other team makes their “open” shots, but he does have to decide how much to pressure the perimeter for each player on the opposing team. Over pressuring a matchup will increase the likelihood of giving up driving lanes to that player. That’s why I’m asking: which sharpshooter specifically do you think Pope didn’t gameplan well for defensively and we will go look at the film and discuss it
 
This team is not built to guard like that.

We have two guys that guard their man straight up.

This team has to play help defense.

And it is getting better at that. And will continue to get better.

We don’t have to hold teams to 60 points or so because of our offense.

If we get much better defensive rebounding we will solve most other defensive problems.

Our first shot defense is good as it is.

If you listened to the coach show last night you have a better understanding of why the UL game was like it was.

He actually relied on metrics too much for my taste. But he had a reason and he explained it.
GOOD POST !! I don't know, but cannot help but wonder, as rotations tighten in the tougher games and in March, if a concerted attempt and emphasis to clamp down defensively will create fatigue on the offensive end and affect it. It takes a lot of energy for a team that is not built by quickness and athleticism to play really tight, aggressive defense. Every team has weaknesses ... I think the lack of overall quickness and athleticism is ours, along with physicality in the paint.
 
This team doesn't have enough athleticism to be like those prime Pitino years IMO.
Of course not. We simply do not have the horses to take away everything from the outside and the inside. This is, despite their performance so far, a much less talented team than fans are used to
 
Agree with portions of your post.

However, I think UKs first shot defense is awful. They have allowed teams since the beginning of the season to shoot uncontested threes. Like these dudes are wide open. Just terrible defense. Constantly shying away from contact and going under screens. Crappy off the ball communication. I just can't get on board with ppl who think UKs first shot defense is good as it is. It is atrocious, especially from three point land.
Maybe I shouldn’t have said first shot defense is good?

But it’s not terrible. Teams are not shooting a high percentage against our first shot defense.

Nor do I believe it’s Pope’s strategy to just let everyone shoot.

It was strategy against Louisville to focus on stopping the 2’s.

And dare them to hit 3’s.

They hit a lot. They took a lot.

And they didn’t turn it over.

Louisville had an aberration game on 3’s and turnovers. Yet we beat them anyway.
 
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Maybe I shouldn’t have said first shot defense is good?

But it’s not terrible. Teams are not shooting a high percentage against our first shot defense.

Nor do I believe it’s Pope’s strategy to just let everyone shoot.

It was strategy against Louisville to focus on stopping the 2’s.

And dare them to hit 3’s.

They hit a lot. They took a lot.

And they didn’t turn it over.

Louisville had an aberration game on 3’s and turnovers. Yet we beat them anyway.
That’s exactly correct. We aren’t out there in prevent defense, packed into the paint exclusively. We are giving the opposing team what they don’t prefer on offense based on statistics and prior performance, to the best of this team’s capability to this point in the season. Defensive will improve, of course, but this team isn’t becoming the 2015 team or the 2003 team anytime soon
 
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